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...and I'm asking in TOTAL respect here...I watched Sam's funeral in it's entirety, and have been to several others...is there EVER a time that parents/close friends ever get to speak of memories? I don't ever remember it happening....

Thought the priest who did the main part said some thought provoking things...

God's blessings to Sam's family, friends and team members...
 
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I know a lot about Catholicism (having been one in my theist days.) Catholics usually eulogize at the visitation or, if you're Irish, wake. The funeral is mass and follows the same basic liturgical form as a standard mass. The only laypeople that speak during the mass are those who do the readings.
 
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I'm Catholic and I can only recall one Catholic funeral where those memories were shared during the mass. There may have been more, but I only recall one.
 
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Well, I DO remember one horrible funeral about 25 years ago where a dad spoke about his son who had taken his life. I don't think I've ever seen a sadder thing. THAT'S the only exception to my experiences.
 
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I spoke at my dad's funeral - near the end, following Communion. Most of my relatives are Catholic and over the years I would say that a family member or two has spoken at about 1/3 of the funerals. Don't know if there are any hard and fast rules about it - might be up to the officiating priest.
 
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schuele said:
I spoke at my dad's funeral - near the end, following Communion. Most of my relatives are Catholic and over the years I would say that a family member or two has spoken at about 1/3 of the funerals. Don't know if there are any hard and fast rules about it - might be up to the officiating priest.
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It might also depend on the diocese. Bishops have some leeway regarding what happens in a mass in their diocese.
 
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I was at a Catholic funeral recently and there was a eulogy. I am not Catholic so didn't know if that was normal
 
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It might also depend on the diocese. Bishops have some leeway regarding what happens in a mass in their diocese.
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Could be. Most of these services took place in the Omaha diocese. Might also have fallen into that "what the Bishop doesn't know won't hurt him" category. Anyway, I figure I'll have a lot worse to answer for than speaking at my dad's funeral.
 
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spartanhusker said:
...and I'm asking in TOTAL respect here...I watched Sam's funeral in it's entirety, and have been to several others...is there EVER a time that parents/close friends ever get to speak of memories? I don't ever remember it happening....

Thought the priest who did the main part said some thought provoking things...

God's blessings to Sam's family, friends and team members...
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To quote an old coach, "That's too technical for you."
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I am not sure about where he is being buried, but if he is buried in Greeley, he won't be very far from my grandmother Curnyn. She was super-Catholic and lived right across the street from the Catholic church in Greeley. Her brother in-law literally bought the pipe organs in the church. The last time I was in Greeley was just a couple years ago for the Irish festival I have been to a couple and they are awesome. We went to the cemetery to visit grandma and the family. If you have ever seen the movie Nebraska, it was just like that. That movie in fact came out right after my last visit. My sister told some hilarious stories about Grandma Curnyn's disdain for Protestants, and mean stories of her in-laws buried right next to her. When I saw the movie, I was roaring. It was dead on. I saw it and lived it.
 
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The Catholic Church I grew up in does not allow for speakers during the mass. They have that done at the visitation. But, I have been to a funeral at St. Stevens in Omaha, which is Catholic, and they had speakers during the mass.
 
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I am not sure about where he is being buried, but if he is buried in Greeley, he won't be very far from my grandmother Curnyn. She was super-Catholic and lived right across the street from the Catholic church in Greeley. Her brother in-law literally bought the pipe organs in the church. The last time I was in Greeley was just a couple years ago for the Irish festival I have been to a couple and they are awesome. We went to the cemetery to visit grandma and the family. If you have ever seen the movie Nebraska, it was just like that. That movie in fact came out right after my last visit. My sister told some hilarious stories about Grandma Curnyn's disdain for Protestants, and mean stories of her in-laws buried right next to her. When I saw the movie, I was roaring. It was dead on. I saw it and lived it.
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If you are interested in the local history of that area, you should visit the site of the O'Connor Catholic parish, which is a few miles east of Greeley, just south of Highway 56. It's a very historic site with a church, rectory, cemetery and small social hall, tucked between some cornfields. There are no services there anymore, although I think it may still be open upon request for weddings and funerals. It is in danger of falling into disrepair, so go soon!
 
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schuele said:
If you are interested in the local history of that area, you should visit the site of the O'Connor Catholic parish, which is a few miles east of Greeley, just south of Highway 56. It's a very historic site with a church, rectory, cemetery and small social hall, tucked between some cornfields. There are no services there anymore, although I think it may still be open upon request for weddings and funerals. It is in danger of falling into disrepair, so go soon!
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Last summer we attended a service there, but it was outside. I love history of small local towns and it was very cool to see that church out in the middle of nowhere.

It's too bad it's in danger of caving in. Unfortunately for such a sparsely populated area the repairs needed wouldn't justify the cost.
 
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Last summer we attended a service there, but it was outside. I love history of small local towns and it was very cool to see that church out in the middle of nowhere.

It's too bad it's in danger of caving in. Unfortunately for such a sparsely populated area the repairs needed wouldn't justify the cost.
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Glad you got to see it. I was last there about 3 years ago, and we were still able to get inside the church. Yeah, too bad someone didn't put a new roof on the church and enclose the belfry about 20 years ago. That would have gone a long way toward maintaining it, but now I think its fate is sealed.

The cemetery was in surprisingly good condition when I was there. I never lived in that parish, but my great-grandfather and some other relatives are buried there.
 
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GretnaShawn said:
The Catholic Church I grew up in does not allow for speakers during the mass. They have that done at the visitation. But, I have been to a funeral at St. Stevens in Omaha, which is Catholic, and they had speakers during the mass.
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One of the dumbest things I have ever seen was at a Catholic funeral. The 95 year old husband of a Catholic woman married for 70 years could not take communion at his wife's funeral even though he had attended mass with her for most of those 70 years. He had never officially converted from being a Lutheran to Catholicism even though all of his kids AND grandkids had been raised as Catholics. Stupid. The priest apologized but said if the higher ups ever found out he would be in big trouble. Of course the old gentleman took it in stride because he realized that his salvation didn't rest with the Pope and the college of Cardinals but rather with the grace shown by the guy that died on a cross for his sins. The Catholic church gets so many things right but really steps in it when it comes to marriage of priests and communion.
 
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dinglefritz said:
One of the dumbest things I have ever seen was at a Catholic funeral. The 95 year old husband of a Catholic woman married for 70 years could not take communion at his wife's funeral even though he had attended mass with her for most of those 70 years. He had never officially converted from being a Lutheran to Catholicism even though all of his kids AND grandkids had been raised as Catholics. Stupid. The priest apologized but said if the higher ups ever found out he would be in big trouble. Of course the old gentleman took it in stride because he realized that his salvation didn't rest with the Pope and the college of Cardinals but rather with the grace shown by the guy that died on a cross for his sins. The Catholic church gets so many things right but really steps in it when it comes to marriage of priests and communion.
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I'm not saying that it's stupid because there are huge beliefs in this category, but I have taken communion a few times throughout our marriage in the Catholic church. I am a Lutheran & my wife is Catholic. I just do it. She hates it when I do it but I don't think that God cares. When I'm there, there are time I really want to take communion. My father & his family were Catholics & my mom & her family are Lutherans. My wife's family are all Catholics. There are differences in the religion but I really think the man up stairs just smiles at me & shakes his head.
 
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I'm not saying that it's stupid because there are huge beliefs in this category, but I have taken communion a few times throughout our marriage in the Catholic church. I am a Lutheran & my wife is Catholic. I just do it. She hates it when I do it but I don't think that God cares. When I'm there, there are time I really want to take communion. My father & his family were Catholics & my mom & her family are Lutherans. My wife's family are all Catholics. There are differences in the religion but I really think the man up stairs just smiles at me & shakes his head.
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Sparky, if you are damned for all Eternity for this and me for speaking at my dad's funeral, I hope you will at least bring a few jars of sauce.
 
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sparky62 said:
I'm not saying that it's stupid because there are huge beliefs in this category, but I have taken communion a few times throughout our marriage in the Catholic church. I am a Lutheran & my wife is Catholic. I just do it. She hates it when I do it but I don't think that God cares. When I'm there, there are time I really want to take communion. My father & his family were Catholics & my mom & her family are Lutherans. My wife's family are all Catholics. There are differences in the religion but I really think the man up stairs just smiles at me & shakes his head.
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dinglefritz said:
One of the dumbest things I have ever seen was at a Catholic funeral. The 95 year old husband of a Catholic woman married for 70 years could not take communion at his wife's funeral even though he had attended mass with her for most of those 70 years. He had never officially converted from being a Lutheran to Catholicism even though all of his kids AND grandkids had been raised as Catholics. Stupid. The priest apologized but said if the higher ups ever found out he would be in big trouble. Of course the old gentleman took it in stride because he realized that his salvation didn't rest with the Pope and the college of Cardinals but rather with the grace shown by the guy that died on a cross for his sins. The Catholic church gets so many things right but really steps in it when it comes to marriage of priests and communion.
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While I know it isn't ideal in certain situations, the reason is a big deal is because of core beliefs. Catholics believe in transfiguration (Jesus actually becomes the blood and the wine) and other religions don't (communion is a symbol - not the actual change from blood and wine to body and blood). This is a big sticking point between religions.

I've been told it is more about respecting the differences in beliefs, rather than excluding other faiths.

Note: This is not a defense of the practice. This is an explaination.
 
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GretnaShawn said:
While I know it isn't ideal in certain situations, the reason is a big deal is because of core beliefs. Catholics believe in transfiguration (Jesus actually becomes the blood and the wine) and other religions don't (communion is a symbol - not the actual change from blood and wine to body and blood). This is a big sticking point between religions.

I've been told it is more about respecting the differences in beliefs, rather than excluding other faiths.

Note: This is not a defense of the practice. This is an explaination.
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Excellent response.

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The Catholic church gets so many things right but really steps in it when it comes to marriage of priests.
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I obviously can't say this is true for all or even most priests, but I know quite a few personally in Nebraska and they all believe the Catholic Church does not have it wrong when it comes to marriage of priests.
 
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sparky62 said:
I'm not saying that it's stupid because there are huge beliefs in this category, but I have taken communion a few times throughout our marriage in the Catholic church. I am a Lutheran & my wife is Catholic. I just do it. She hates it when I do it but I don't think that God cares. When I'm there, there are time I really want to take communion. My father & his family were Catholics & my mom & her family are Lutherans. My wife's family are all Catholics. There are differences in the religion but I really think the man up stairs just smiles at me & shakes his head.
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Please don't do this any more. If you don't understand why, ask a Catholic priest or deacon.
 
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Excellent response.

I obviously can't say this is true for all or even most priests, but I know quite a few personally in Nebraska and they all believe the Catholic Church does not have it wrong when it comes to marriage of priests.
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Obviously when you poll existing priests you are polling a subset that already made the decision that the church has it right about marriage of priests. The argument is pretty easily made that the exclusion of marriage is one of the biggest reasons for the decline in the availability of priests AND the number of priests involved in crimes against children (BTW much less common than the media would have one believe). I am obviously not Catholic but my Catholic friends ALL think its nuts that priests can't marry. In addition one of my buddies from high school was going to be a priest until we explained to him what "nun" really meant. Didn't mean to turn this thread in to a debate about religion. Sam's proclamation of his faith was in Jesus Christ. His twitter profile didn't say Catholic or Lutheran. It said "Follower of Christ". We can pick apart any religion because the practices of religion are interpretations by humans.
 
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I have a Ph.D. In Catholic theology from Fordham. I was a professor of Catholic theology for 20 years in eastern PA, before leaving teaching to run an organic farm and sheep operation.

I think everyone on here is sincere and have made respectful arguments. But I have also learned one BIG truth the hard way: Facebook and football chat boards are terrible places to debate religion and politics. So I stay out of it entirely.

Now about our defensive line this year....
 
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Pennsyhusker said:
I have a Ph.D. In Catholic theology from Fordham. I was a professor of Catholic theology for 20 years in eastern PA, before leaving teaching to run an organic farm and sheep operation.

I think everyone on here is sincere and have made respectful arguments. But I have also learned one BIG truth the hard way: Facebook and football chat boards are terrible places to debate religion and politics. So I stay out of it entirely.

Now about our defensive line this year....
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Ah yes, our "turn the other cheek" defense :)
 
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WHCSC said:
Please don't do this any more. If you don't understand why, ask a Catholic priest or deacon.
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He should go through RCIA before he can accept communion. His wife could be the sponsor. My wife and I went through RCIA a few years ago, I was Catholic, but wasn't Confirmed. It taught me a lot more about the Catholic faith than I ever learned in Sunday School or when I went to Catholic elementary school.
 
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dinglefritz said:
One of the dumbest things I have ever seen was at a Catholic funeral. The 95 year old husband of a Catholic woman married for 70 years could not take communion at his wife's funeral even though he had attended mass with her for most of those 70 years. He had never officially converted from being a Lutheran to Catholicism even though all of his kids AND grandkids had been raised as Catholics. Stupid. The priest apologized but said if the higher ups ever found out he would be in big trouble. Of course the old gentleman took it in stride because he realized that his salvation didn't rest with the Pope and the college of Cardinals but rather with the grace shown by the guy that died on a cross for his sins. The Catholic church gets so many things right but really steps in it when it comes to marriage of priests and communion.
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Sounds like you got it all figured out!
 
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GretnaShawn said:
While I know it isn't ideal in certain situations, the reason is a big deal is because of core beliefs. Catholics believe in transfiguration (Jesus actually becomes the blood and the wine) and other religions don't (communion is a symbol - not the actual change from blood and wine to body and blood). This is a big sticking point between religions.

I've been told it is more about respecting the differences in beliefs, rather than excluding other faiths.

Note: This is not a defense of the practice. This is an explanation.
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GretnaShawn, you are real close to be on the money in your response. But it is called Transubstantiation. This is where we truly believe the bread and wine are changed into the true body and blood during the mass. Therefore, many folks do not really believe this miracle takes place, and that is why the church is very careful at just letting everyone partake in this sacrament. I converted to Catholicism, and it took many years to comprehend this really happens. Once I heard and read the scientific proof that this occurs and the reported miracles, I had a true change of heart. God's blessings to all.
 
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