Jason Collins vs. Tim Tebow

[DerHntr]

"I don't know them, obviously, but there is a big difference in saying you are a Christian and actually being a Christian. I'm going to agree with Chris Broussard on his points today. You aren't a Christian, if you live in constant rebellion against Christ."

Got to love it when someone isn't Christian enough for another Christian. I have news for you buddy, there's thousands of others out there who think you aren't as Christian as them and look down their noses at you. There's not much worse than a holier than thou blowhard.

 

[lasher8]

I agree...the Christian church would do well to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, since that's, to use your words, "the one who started it." But they've gotten so far from it. Too many focus on the teachings of the Old Testament, whenever they can make it reinforce their message, only to dismiss the Old Testament as not applicable to today, whenever it doesn't reinforce their message. I don't have a problem with Christian belief that homosexuality is a sin, I just don't believe they should use their religious beliefs to justify discrimination against gays in society. Sermon over...peace.

Not one in particular. The church does seem to be soft on some sins, but harder on others. I do think the church shouldn't hate the gays, but only the sin of being gay. Jesus reached out to every sinner while having compassion on them all. The church would do well to learn from the One who started it. There sermon over...

 

[msstate7]

How about the government? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you probably support a ban on same sex marriage.

I don't support same sex marriage.

 

[esplanade91]

Accept the sinner while not accepting the sin. The church shouldn't turn anyone away. Jesus died for us all.

1000000% agree.

I personally don't think being gay is a sin though. It certainly should be legal even if it were... The Bible shouldn't dictate US laws.

Don't point out Bible versus about gays please. There are also versus about shell fish and different fabric clothes.

 

[lasher8]

Thank you DerHntr.

"I don't know them, obviously, but there is a big difference in saying you are a Christian and actually being a Christian. I'm going to agree with Chris Broussard on his points today. You aren't a Christian, if you live in constant rebellion against Christ."

Got to love it when someone isn't Christian enough for another Christian. I have news for you buddy, there's thousands of others out there who think you aren't as Christian as them and look down their noses at you. There's not much worse than a holier than thou blowhard.

 

[LiterallyPolice]

Pick any one. I thought, from your response, that you had some in mind..."no argument here."

I've got one: How about divorce. Divorce is clearly cited as sin in both the old and new testaments. You don't see Christians calling their congressman to ammend the Constitution to ban divorce. If you truly care about the sanctity of marriage... that seems like a logical place to start.

 

[lasher8]

That's one for sure...the one I would have started with.

I've got one: How about divorce. Divorce is clearly cited as sin in both the old and new testaments. You don't see Christians calling their congressman to ammend the Constitution to ban divorce. If you truly care about the sanctity of marriage... that seems like a logical place to start.

 

[msstate7]

I've got one: How about divorce. Divorce is clearly cited as sin in both the old and new testaments. You don't see Christians calling their congressman to ammend the Constitution to ban divorce. If you truly care about the sanctity of marriage... that seems like a logical place to start.

Good idea. I'm writing wicker now. See you guys later

 

[LiterallyPolice]

I don't support same sex marriage.

Shocker, but you'll have to clarify: So you think that a ban should be legislated? Or you just personally wouldn't do it? There's a big difference.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

Seriously, you need a custom title of "Thread Ruinator" or something

 

[lefty96]

Unless Collins starts dry humping the scorers table or doing Jazzy Hands down the court, there is no valid comparison. People don't dislike tebow cuz he is Christian, it is because he is goddammed obnoxious.

 

[lasher8]

^^^^^this nails it^^^^^

And it's funny, too...

Unless Collins starts dry humping the scorers table or doing Jazzy Hands down the court, there is no valid comparison. People don't dislike tebow cuz he is Christian, it is because he is goddammed obnoxious.

 

[drt7891]

The Separation of Church and State was the most brilliant thing the founding fathers got right (Holy ****!111!! That's in the first amendment!!!111). Personally, I think being gay is a sin, but I'm not going to stop people from exercising their rights and freedoms given them to worship and do what they want (yes, if someone wants to be gay, I'm not going to stop them). As long as there is consent and no one is getting emotionally or physically hurt, I don't see the issue.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

So what do you think is the difference with the issue of homosexuality? Why do so many Christian churches make such a stand on this issue, and not the others?

No one is asking the church to condone (or even endorse) spousal abuse, adultery, theft, murder, etc. These are sins, according to the Christian Bible. People ARE asking them to endorse another sin, again according to their scriptures, homosexuality. That's why I think it's such a big deal.

Personally, I think it's an insult to African-Americans everywhere and especially to MLK Jr. to associate the current LGBT rights movement and the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. It's especially insulting to associate the struggles of Jackie Robinson with Jason Collins. Robinson was one of the greatest baseball players of all time, regardless of race or anything else. I'd completely forgotten Jason Collins existed until today, and I follow the NBA!

 

[thatsbaseball]

Honest question. If gay marriage was universally legalized and accepted how would the percentage of married homosexuals compare to the percentage of married heterosexuals(have no idea what this number is). I ask out of ignorance on the subject but do most gay people have one mate anyway. Please don`t blast this...I`m asking a sincere question.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

I've got one: How about divorce. Divorce is clearly cited as sin in both the old and new testaments. You don't see Christians calling their congressman to ammend the Constitution to ban divorce. If you truly care about the sanctity of marriage... that seems like a logical place to start.

You need to read the texts before just spouting off. Divorce is intended to very difficult for a reason and the texts are certainly pro-marriage & fidelity, but it is not necessarily a sin. Christ even makes room for divorce in the case of adultery or abandonment in Matthew's gospel (somewhere in the "sermon on the mount").

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

I wonder if, in your obvious ignorance, you are aware that the leading forces behind the abolition of slavery both in England and in America were Christian churches? From your comments it's obvious that you aren't well read.

 

[msstate7]

I wonder if, in your obvious ignorance, you are aware that the leading forces behind the abolition of slavery both in England and in America were Christian churches? From your comments it's obvious that you aren't well read.

Funny how no one in this country is attacked for being Christian, yet I got jumped on for mine

 

[KennyPowers2]

This is just a ridiculous statement. That's all.

Your a piece of **** liberal mother17er. I have watched you spew liberal ******** on here for a while. I refuse to play the politically correct ******** that is sixpackspeak. The OP has a great point and is correct. I don't give a flying 17 what moderator reads this reply by me and wants to ban me. If you ban me your a piece of **** communist loving liberal mother17er too. Please do not ask for my help when the world goes to ****. I will 17 your world up. *****

 

[LiterallyPolice]

Honest question. If gay marriage was universally legalized and accepted how would the percentage of married homosexuals compare to the percentage of married heterosexuals(have no idea what this number is). I ask out of ignorance on the subject but do most gay people have one mate anyway. Please don`t blast this...I`m asking a sincere question.

A quick google search told me that ~3% of the population claims to be gay, lesbian, or transgendered:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...r_lesbian_gallup_survey_says_3_4_percent.html

The second part I don't know the stats, but I do know many gay people, and the overwhelming majority are monogamous or seek a monogamous relationship.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Honest question. If gay marriage was universally legalized and accepted how would the percentage of married homosexuals compare to the percentage of married heterosexuals(have no idea what this number is). I ask out of ignorance on the subject but do most gay people have one mate anyway. Please don`t blast this...I`m asking a sincere question.

Most studies show that while the sample sizes are disproportionate (obviously there are a lot more heterosexual marriages than homosexual marriages), same-sex marriages end in divorce/separation/etc. at a higher rate than heterosexual marriages.

My main concern with same-sex marriage is that it isn't the best environment for children. Study after study, in Europe & the US, have shown that the optimal environment for a child is a two parent home with one male father and one female mother. These children consistently outperform children from any other type of family situation (same-sex, single parent, whatever) academically, emotionally, and even physically.

There's a reason why married couples get tax breaks and bonuses from our government. They are the ones producing the future Americans. For the future of America, we would do well to promote and encourage these heterosexual families. I'm not saying same-sex marriage shouldn't exist. I'm just saying that promoting heterosexual families is in our children's best interest.

 

[KennyPowers2]

Collins is getting positive attention because he's the first. Most professional athletes are Christians, including Jason Collins, so Tebow isn't special.

If the only reason Tebow were "hated" (he's actually a more liked than his NFL career warrants), half the NFL would be "hated" too.

Your another liberal mother17er I would love to see disappear. Collins is a ******. He is nasty, wrong, sick, 17ed up in the head. I don't give a **** if he is the first in the NBA. It doesn't make it ok. If any of you dick grabbers in here think it's ok to be gay then go **** your brother and quit posting on a damn bulldog message board. Jackie Sherrill knock the 17 out of you for being a ***. I have had enough if you liberal pussies on this damn message board.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Actually Der, he's right. The Christian scriptures, and the founder of Christianity, are on record saying, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

If you are going to...

..claim the media is/has persecuted Tim Tebow, then I would appreciate some links. Because all I remember is at the height of the Tim Tebow phenomenon, the media was kissing more Tim Tebow *** than Rivals.com did the Rebel recruiting class. The same media that supposedly hates Tim Tebow gave him his own Super Bowl commerical spot, if memory serves. Next, if you are going to claim the sports media is trying to increase the acceptance of homosexuality, I need a link to that too. A NBA player came out of the closet & the national sports media reported it. I need the link to how the national sports media used that incident to "increase the acceptance of homosexuality."

 

[DerHntr]

"You need to read the texts before just spouting off. Divorce is intended to very difficult for a reason and the texts are certainly pro-marriage & fidelity, but it is not necessarily a sin. Christ even makes room for divorce in the case of adultery or abandonment in Matthew's gospel (somewhere in the "sermon on the mount")."

this makes me laugh. Tell someone they need to read the texts and follow that advice up with citing a statement "somewhere" in part of the text.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

No matter the sin, the grace of God is available to all of us through the blood of Christ and provides atonement for our sin. The sweeping generalizations of "the church" in this thread come off as very agenda driven.

 

[msstate7]

"You need to read the texts before just spouting off. Divorce is intended to very difficult for a reason and the texts are certainly pro-marriage & fidelity, but it is not necessarily a sin. Christ even makes room for divorce in the case of adultery or abandonment in Matthew's gospel (somewhere in the "sermon on the mount")."

this makes me laugh. Tell someone they need to read the texts and follow that advice up with citing a statement "somewhere" in part of the text.

Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives bc your hearts were hard. But it was not thus way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matthew 19:8-9

 

[KennyPowers2]

No double standard. Jason Collins is admirable because he is a standing up to the oppression of basic human rights. Tim Tebow is disliked by many because, number one, he is the poster boy of an institution that actively oppresses those rights. And secondly, he pontificates any time he gets that chance, and lastly, he's not a good quarterback.

You can try to pretty it up all you want, but that's the bottom line.

And yes, how dare the media attempt to increase the acceptance of basic human rights.

Oh man you have got to be te biggest dick sucker on the board. Do you like a dick shoved in your mouth??? Does it feel natural or normal to you??? Being a gag is not a basic human right. It is reserved for people who are all 17ed up. Do not act like it is normal. I can only imagine you would literally jerk off Barny Frank right now. Your daddy would be ashamed of you .

 

[lasher8]

You know what Kenny Powers2....you can go **** yourself too. And I'll post on this on this message board any mother ******* time I want to. If I want to , I'll post with a cock in my mouth and one in my *** at the same. Again go **** yourself.

Your another liberal mother17er I would love to see disappear. Collins is a ******. He is nasty, wrong, sick, 17ed up in the head. I don't give a **** if he is the first in the NBA. It doesn't make it ok. If any of you dick grabbers in here think it's ok to be gay then go **** your brother and quit posting on a damn bulldog message board. Jackie Sherrill knock the 17 out of you for being a ***. I have had enough if you liberal pussies on this damn message board.

 

[msstate7]

No matter the sin, the grace of God is available to all of us through the blood of Christ and provides atonement for our sin. The sweeping generalizations of "the church" in this thread come off as very agenda driven.

I agree 100%

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

"You need to read the texts before just spouting off. Divorce is intended to very difficult for a reason and the texts are certainly pro-marriage & fidelity, but it is not necessarily a sin. Christ even makes room for divorce in the case of adultery or abandonment in Matthew's gospel (somewhere in the "sermon on the mount")."

this makes me laugh. Tell someone they need to read the texts and follow that advice up with citing a statement "somewhere" in part of the text.

Matthew 5:27-32. Does that make you feel better about it?

 

[DerHntr]

Not surprised you missed the point

 

[drt7891]

Because heaven forbid he have a different opinion than you... which obviously makes him a communist liberal mother17er.

 

[msstate7]

Well the media certainly got one thing right: tebow is polarizing.

 

[DerHntr]

You must not be Christian enough to have to look it up. SKB is looking down on you.

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

American Muslims have it pretty sweet also...

...nobody profiles them according to their clothing, talks **** about them because of 9/11, accuses them of being a terrorist for merely walking down the street or constantly wants to go to war with their homeland nations. They even have a kickass Brotherhood I hear. Add all that up & American Muslims probably do have it better than American Christians.

 

[Dawg Jurist]

YOU'RE

You crazy bastard.

 

[DerHntr]

Aaaaand there's the lock. It was a decent conversation until this.