Jason King comments in his chat about our basketball team.

[mstatefan88]

This is really the perfect answer to describe our team.

<h6 style="FLOAT: left">Charles (Hilton Head)</h6>



Does Mississippi State get into the NCAA tourny and, if they do, how deep of a run can they make?</p><h6 style="FLOAT: left" class="sn">Jason King
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Heck yes they do. Love the Bulldogs' talent. They're good enough to beat anyone - but wacko enough to lose to anyone. Elite Eight at best.</p>

 

[mstatefan88]

This is really the perfect answer to describe our team.

<h6 style="FLOAT: left">Charles (Hilton Head)</h6>



Does Mississippi State get into the NCAA tourny and, if they do, how deep of a run can they make?</p><h6 style="FLOAT: left" class="sn">Jason King
<div style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-SIZE: xx-small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">(3:51 PM)</div></h6>



Heck yes they do. Love the Bulldogs' talent. They're good enough to beat anyone - but wacko enough to lose to anyone. Elite Eight at best.</p>

 

[mstatefan88]

This is really the perfect answer to describe our team.

<h6 style="FLOAT: left">Charles (Hilton Head)</h6>



Does Mississippi State get into the NCAA tourny and, if they do, how deep of a run can they make?</p><h6 style="FLOAT: left" class="sn">Jason King
<div style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-SIZE: xx-small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">(3:51 PM)</div></h6>



Heck yes they do. Love the Bulldogs' talent. They're good enough to beat anyone - but wacko enough to lose to anyone. Elite Eight at best.</p>

 

[Coach34]

but you never see quotes about us being coached well or fundamentally sound

 

[DawgatAuburn]

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[dawgstudent]

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[Shmuley]

nm

 

[whosyourdawgy]

about the players. Seriously? How many analyst in the history of media have ever talked about that?Sure the coach is mentioned, but it's all about the players.Do they talk about Calapari's fundaementals? Hell no. The only coach that gets this is Coach K and that's because of the man crush all the media has on him. Another failed attempt to bash Stans.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[Hanmudog]

In your eyes, what teams in the country are extremely talented AND fundamentally sound? Maybe 2 or 3 teams?

It seems like nowadays if a team is really talented then fundamentals get left by the wayside. If a player is not as talented then they have to focus more on the fundamentals to succeed. It is rare to see a combination of both.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

They talk about the DDO. This year they talk about them leading the country in FG percentage D. They talk about how you never see Cal have a 20 ppg scorer but you see a lot of guys in the 10-15 range because he demands they not be selfish. So if offense and defense are fundamentals, then yes they talk about that with Cal.

 

[Dawg4Life]

That's all I can think of right now.

 

[Seinfeld]

as to when the last time was that someone actually argued that Stans was indeed a phenomenal floor coach and fundamental teacher. I'd say that it's been like beating a dead horse for years, but that would be the understatement of the century.

 

[tenureplan]

nm

 

[whosyourdawgy]

never avg 20 either. We have several avg 10-15 pts per game as well. Calipari also constantly has teams that shoot one of the worst ft percentages in the SEC. That is also a fundamental. Cal recruits and gets only 5 star players. That is why he is an elite coach.

 

[Hanmudog]

I think Calipari is a great (but dirty) coach. However, guys like Anthony Davis and Jarvis Varnado tend to make any defense look good. It has been amazing how well Calipari gets his freshmen to play D though and he is not afraid to bench one that is not giving the effort he wants.

 

[shsdawg]

What talent are we talking about? Obviously Moultrie and Bost but beyond that who? Sid has enormous physical gifts but so far hasn't shown the talent for using them except every now and then. Hood has the gifts too but is very young.Given how young he is we are getting a lot out of him, no complaints there. Steele has the shot but is still coming of injury andto me it still looks like it is affecting him.Smith can go but is young and as we all know just isn't actually available to play a lot.I see two spots ofconsistently usedtalent but an overall talented team, not really, not now.I think it's a team that should make the tournament but probably as a6-9 seed. I realize that isn't the party line on us but I've been watching MSU basketball since the early 80s and that's what I see when I look at this team as of now.Is there a Dontae Jones there? He hasn't showedhimself yet. From whatI see this team would needat least two guys to go Dontae to makeany real noise in March.

 

[skb124]

Its easy to bench a guy when you have his 5* replacement coming off the bench. Thats motivation in itself. The starter has to play right because the guy behind him is usually just as good and very capable of starting. Thats not how it is at most places. Stans couldnt do that to Moultrie like Cal did with Cousins. Moultries replacement is Wendell Lewis. Cousins was Orton, another first round draft pick.

 

[Shmuley]

nm

 

[RocketDawg]

that they don't mention Stansbury's coaching ability is because he's well known around the nation, not just the SEC. They frequently talking about him having the longest current tenure of all SEC coaches, which is a side-door comment about his talent ... if he was no good, he wouldn't still be at MSU after all those years. No, he's not as famous (or infamous, if you choose) as Calipari and the Duke coach (can't spell or pronounce his name) or Pat Summit, but he's certainly well-known.

And they should indeed talk about the talent of the players. The game is about them, not the coach. And they need the publicity. The coach never scores a single point in a game ... he's on the sidelines all the time. If he was jumping up and down and screaming all the time (e.g., Bobby Knight) then he might get more opinions expressed about him and his ability. He's a rather quiet type, at least publicly, but gets the job done.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

This year they talk about them leading the country in FG percentage <span style="text-decoration:underline">D</span>

UK is #1 in the country allowing other teams to shoot 35.8%.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Kentucky, Syracuse, Duke, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Missouri, Kansas, Georgetown, Marquette, Indiana... do I need to keep going?

They talk about Calipari so much because he not only gets the top talent, but he gets that top talent to play extremely hard on the defensive end (which has to be hard to do with a team full of superstars), to be unselfish and put the team first, and to play to their talents. It's not just Anthony Davis being back there. Every year Cal's teams play great defense, this isn't some new phenomenom.

 

[BiscuitEater]

I think Calipari is a great (but dirty) coach. However, guys like Anthony Davis and Jarvis Varnado tend to make any defense look good. It has been amazing how well Calipari gets his freshmen to play D though and he is not afraid to bench one that is not giving the effort he wants.

Yea, if they don't play defense, Calipari just swaps 'one McDonalds All-American for another!' That's really hard to do.


Comparing the players at Kentucky and those at State, one has to give Stans SOME credit for developing what he has. Hell, he has beaten KY two out of the last four years (and been ripped off in at least one loss) which should be considered miraculous by an educated fan base.


EVERY SINGLE player in Calipari's 2011 recruiting class was a 17'ing McDonald's All-American. Anthony Davis, Michael Gilchrist, Marquis Teage and Kyle Wiltjer ... all in the BEST 24 players in the country.


Stans is playing a Kentucky team that 'routinely' signs multiple McD AA's ala Joe Crawford, Randolph Morris, Rajon Rondo in '04; Terrence Jones, Brandon Knight, Doron Lamb in '10.


Meanwhile Stans has had ONE MaC AA play in 13+ years as a HC and NOBODY else even wanted him! I really don't think we have a single player on our current roster that Kentucky actually even tried to recruit.

 

[DrKennethNoisewater]

So Stans can't manage his team because he is so limited on talent...check.
So Stans can't coach fundamentals...check.
So Stans can't get past the 1st weekend of the NCAA Tournament...check.
So we fired Stans....wait we still got that 17er!!!!!

 

[idog]

I think Calipari is a great (but dirty) coach. However, guys like Anthony Davis and Jarvis Varnado tend to make any defense look good. It has been amazing how well Calipari gets his freshmen to play D though and he is not afraid to bench one that is not giving the effort he wants.

but Cal loves to start his freshman over more experienced players(i.e. Liggins or Miller) so thathe can tell his next class of 5 stars that they will also start from the get go. that said, he is such a good salesman that his upperclassmen buy it and are willing to sit behindthenew crop.

 

[KurtRambis4]

is frustrating with this team. They have the physical talent to be one of the top 10 teams in the country. However, the mentality of the team is somewhere around 100. It doesn't matter what physical talent they have, if they can't match it mentally. Coaching can only go so far to change this. At some point, the player has to make up the difference.

 

[Coach34]

Everybody in the freakin country that mentions us talks about our talent- EVERYBODY<div>
</div><div>and no matter how many times you try to downplay it- you're look stupid every time</div>

 

[Hanmudog]

Kentucky, Syracuse, Duke, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Missouri, Kansas, Georgetown, Marquette, Indiana... do I need to keep going?

They talk about Calipari so much because he not only gets the top talent, but he gets that top talent to play extremely hard on the defensive end (which has to be hard to do with a team full of superstars), to be unselfish and put the team first, and to play to their talents. It's not just Anthony Davis being back there. Every year Cal's teams play great defense, this isn't some new phenomenom.

I have seen Marquette get the hell beat out of them because they were taking bad shots and their defense was awful a couple of times this year including once by Vandy. Georgtown's offense is no better than ours and is at times painful to watch. That leaves the usual names like Kansas, Duke, Ohio State, Syracuse, etc.Mississippi State is not in that class andyou just can't compare us to those programs. We have maybe two guys that would even see playing time on those teams.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

We should have the most talented team and the best coached team in the country every year. We have been massively underachieving. We eventually are going to have to fire Stansbury to get us back to our rightful spot above the Kentucky's and Duke's of the world. ***

 

[KurtRambis4]

the physical talent of this team? I don't think it takes Phil Jackson to see that this is there.

 

[muddawgs33]

but I'm going to throw **** at you about the defensive fundamentals. Can't argue with Stats.<div>

• 2001 - Opponent Shooting % - 41.2 ranked 58th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 35.5 for 54th in the nation.
• 2002 - Opponent Shooting % - 40.1 ranked 15th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 33.9 ranked 60th in the nation.
• 2003 - Opponent Shooting % - 41.1 ranked 47th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 40.5 ranked 7th in the nation.
• 2004 - Opponent Shooting % - 40.9 ranked 43rd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 42.8 ranked 4th in the nation.
• 2005 - Opponent Shooting % - 41 ranked 45th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 39 ranked 17th in the nation
• 2006 - Opponent Shooting % - 40.3 ranked 23rd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 41.5 ranked 14th in the nation
• 2007 - Opponent Shooting % - 37 ranked 2nd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 40.8 ranked 8th in the nation
• 2008 - Opponent Shooting % - 39.6 ranked 22nd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 37.8 ranked 44th in the nation
• 2009 - Opponent Shooting % - 38.9 ranked 9th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 39.1 ranked 23rd in the nation
• 2010 - Opponent Shooting % - 41.7 ranked 75th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 36 ranked 97th in the nation
• 2011 - Opponent Shooting % - 43.2 ranked 172nd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 37 ranked 56th in the nation

<div>Say what you want about Stans offensively, but the Mfer knows his 17ing defense and you aren't consistently good at defense unless someone is teaching them the fundamentals to playing defense. </div></div>

 

[96dawg]

Wow we are 18-5 and ya'll have to make excuses to why Stansbury's team is good. If we suck its his fault and if were good we make excuses "he just has too much talent." why don't ya'll just accept the fact that we have a good team this year and enjoy it. have you ever thought that the reason why we have this talent is because of our head coach. He is doing a great job this year if you want to ***** about basketball how about ***** at our AD for firing Hank Flick and making our atmosphere a joke he did a great job at football but he is dogging basketball.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Just because they have a bad night here and there does not mean they do not play fundamental basketball...

Have you ever watched Georgetown play? They run a version of the Princeton offense which is predicated on cutting and filling open spots. Just because they are young and do not always score a lot does not mean they don't play with fundamentals. Get that weak *** argument out of here

 

[shsdawg]

half the talent equation. It might not even be half of it. You put a Brandon Vincent on this team and it becomes a great team.

 

[DAWG61]

but I'm going to throw **** at you about the defensive fundamentals. Can't argue with Stats.<div>

• 2001 - Opponent Shooting % - 41.2 ranked 58th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 35.5 for 54th in the nation.
• 2002 - Opponent Shooting % - 40.1 ranked 15th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 33.9 ranked 60th in the nation.
• 2003 - Opponent Shooting % - 41.1 ranked 47th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 40.5 ranked 7th in the nation.
• 2004 - Opponent Shooting % - 40.9 ranked 43rd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 42.8 ranked 4th in the nation.
• 2005 - Opponent Shooting % - 41 ranked 45th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 39 ranked 17th in the nation
• 2006 - Opponent Shooting % - 40.3 ranked 23rd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 41.5 ranked 14th in the nation
• 2007 - Opponent Shooting % - 37 ranked 2nd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 40.8 ranked 8th in the nation
• 2008 - Opponent Shooting % - 39.6 ranked 22nd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 37.8 ranked 44th in the nation
• 2009 - Opponent Shooting % - 38.9 ranked 9th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 39.1 ranked 23rd in the nation
• 2010 - Opponent Shooting % - 41.7 ranked 75th in the nation, Team Rebounding - 36 ranked 97th in the nation
• 2011 - Opponent Shooting % - 43.2 ranked 172nd in the nation, Team Rebounding - 37 ranked 56th in the nation

<div>Say what you want about Stans offensively, but the Mfer knows his 17ing defense and you aren't consistently good at defense unless someone is teaching them the fundamentals to playing defense. </div></div>

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

catch any of that Georgetown game? Yeah they are fundamentally horrible...

 

[Hanmudog]

catch any of that Georgetown game? Yeah they are fundamentally horrible...

Yeah I saw that 33% shooting and 15 turnovers by Georgetown. Just awesome.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

It doesn't take a genius to watch the way they move, screen, cut, fill open space on the court, and pass the ball when on offense to see that they play fundamental ball. And you're right, they had the #2 team in the country in OT on the road. Just completely terrible

 

[Hanmudog]

It doesn't take a genius to watch the way they move, screen, cut, fill open space on the court, and pass the ball when on offense to see that they play fundamental ball. And you're right, they had the #2 team in the country in OT on the road. Just completely terrible

PPG National Rank
63rd MSU
124th Georgetown

Rebounding
MSU 63rd
Georgetown 85th

FG %
MSU 62nd
Georgetown 66th

All I am saying is that sometimes we are hypercritical ofMSU when other teams do no better.

 

[Tds &amp; Beer]

is frustrating with this team. They have the physical talent to be one of the top 10 teams in the country. However, the mentality of the team is somewhere around 100. It doesn't matter what physical talent they have, if they can't match it mentally. Coaching can only go so far to change this. At some point, the player has to make up the difference.

For example, we suck at full court offense. We don't have the mentality for it. You know why? Because we don't have a full court offense. You know why? Because our coachdoesn'teven have a half court offense. Ifthe coach has his team 100% prepared, their mentality is totally different.