Jay Williams commenting on UNC
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Im going to say the same thing here in regard to Cuse and UNC as I posted over on HOB.
NCAA acted very swiftly on Cuse in my opinion and the penalty is fairly significant. Has to make you wonder about UNC and what will happen there. Wouldn't Cuse be the first school to line up screaming for justice to be served in regard to UNC? Better yet, shouldn't they?
NCAA acted very swiftly on Cuse in my opinion and the penalty is fairly significant. Has to make you wonder about UNC and what will happen there. Wouldn't Cuse be the first school to line up screaming for justice to be served in regard to UNC? Better yet, shouldn't they?
UNC*** scandal is so huge and program wide - not just a sports program but the entire institution.
IMO, the NCAA is taking their time with this so not be be embarrassed again.
They will get the death penalty and be howling about it for decades in Crapel Hill.
IMO, the NCAA is taking their time with this so not be be embarrassed again.
They will get the death penalty and be howling about it for decades in Crapel Hill.
Posted the same in another thread,surely this moves the needle for the sports news media in the direction of calling for NCAA action in the UNC case.
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke???? The NCAA has been investigating this FOR 10 YEARS!!!!
If that is acting "swiftly", look for UNC announcement to come down in 2068...
I think so too. Im starting to believe it now more than ever. Jeff Goodman just said as much on Colin Cowherd. Colin said "If this happened to Syracuse, what's going to happen to UNC"? Talked about how Cuse got nailed because some faculty was doing homework for Fab Melo. At UNC there were layers of faculty, fake classes, staff, etc etc etc.
My God, if UNC doesn't get hammered it would be hard to believe in anything.
While I thought I wanted UNC to have its matter handed to them quickly, I now think that this hanging over their head will kill their recruiting for what could be the next decade.
Roy gets a chance to retire before the hammer comes down. I'm surprised he didn't jump to the Lakers last year.
Jaylen Brown can now tell the world that UNC will have to be eliminated.
Roy gets a chance to retire before the hammer comes down. I'm surprised he didn't jump to the Lakers last year.
Jaylen Brown can now tell the world that UNC will have to be eliminated.
Next time read the articles before making assumptions. Syracuse self imposed hoping to appease the infractions committee decision. It was a last ditch effort to keep what just happened from happening.
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A couple of notes I saw from the Syracuse review:
- the investigation was going on for 11 months solid recently, and the administration simply wanted to find closure to it, so they asked that this get decided sooner than later.
- Syracuse went back further with the review and determined it was best to find as much as they could on the early issues and then get that conclusion.
- The NCAA took an acceptance of the self imposed investigation/penalties and then was able to wrap all of it up into one.
If the 11 months is an indication, look for UNC to have a conclusion within the next 18 months. If Syracuse had a lot of documention to go through, how much is there to look at in Chapel Hill?
This post was edited on 3/6 1:09 PM by KMKAT
- the investigation was going on for 11 months solid recently, and the administration simply wanted to find closure to it, so they asked that this get decided sooner than later.
- Syracuse went back further with the review and determined it was best to find as much as they could on the early issues and then get that conclusion.
- The NCAA took an acceptance of the self imposed investigation/penalties and then was able to wrap all of it up into one.
If the 11 months is an indication, look for UNC to have a conclusion within the next 18 months. If Syracuse had a lot of documention to go through, how much is there to look at in Chapel Hill?
This post was edited on 3/6 1:09 PM by KMKAT
College Gameday is at North Carolina this Saturday.....the hypocrisy of watching them discuss the Syracuse situation this weekend while compleltely not talking about what North Carolina has done will be too much for me to handle. My guess is there won't be one....single....word....said while they sit on the floor of the Dean Dome
Heck, not sure they will even make much noise about Syracuse, now that they are an ACC team. We shall see.
That's an excellent guess for obvious reasons though I've always thought more like mid-summer. At the least recruit commit's should be released. I don't recall seeing that mentioned in the Syracuse sanctions though they do have the 10 limit to deal with now.
Some might not say those penalties are severe, but I think the NCAA wielded a heavy hammer here. I thought it was interested the ESPN headline didn't mention the forfeited wins. If I were a UNC fan I'd be worried. Very worried.
Some funny stuff over on the Heel board:
From Mikeirbyusa: Why? They had a ATHLETIC SCANDAL pure and simple, we have an academic scandal.
Strumminggram: I don't think this guarantees anything about UNC, either. The NCAA is actually complicit in the AFAM situation. I don't see anything coming from that. The more time goes by with no outcome, the better.
Gary-7: There was no effort within the UNC basketball program to cut corners, nor to "steer" players. Only the football program committed actual NCAA infractions. The only remote taint with basketball was during Doherty's tenure of not acting on some red flags about too many players gravitating to AFAM courses and majors. That is far from a culpable offense. Not that the NCAA is above inventing things from time to time, but that would be a hugely unwarranted stretch.
From Mikeirbyusa: Why? They had a ATHLETIC SCANDAL pure and simple, we have an academic scandal.
Strumminggram: I don't think this guarantees anything about UNC, either. The NCAA is actually complicit in the AFAM situation. I don't see anything coming from that. The more time goes by with no outcome, the better.
Gary-7: There was no effort within the UNC basketball program to cut corners, nor to "steer" players. Only the football program committed actual NCAA infractions. The only remote taint with basketball was during Doherty's tenure of not acting on some red flags about too many players gravitating to AFAM courses and majors. That is far from a culpable offense. Not that the NCAA is above inventing things from time to time, but that would be a hugely unwarranted stretch.
I am still not so certain UNC will get hammer. I think they may be the college basketball equivalent of the Clintons. Above the law, the rules do not apply to them and move on nothing to see here.
As far as Syracuse, they got what they deserved and brother Jim Boeheim may as well call it a career and enjoy life on a island with his beautiful Harlan County bride. It is Justified.
As far as Syracuse, they got what they deserved and brother Jim Boeheim may as well call it a career and enjoy life on a island with his beautiful Harlan County bride. It is Justified.
I think Bagdad Bob must have been a Tar Hole fan.Originally posted by preacherfan:
Some funny stuff over on the Heel board:
From Mikeirbyusa: Why? They had a ATHLETIC SCANDAL pure and simple, we have an academic scandal.
Strumminggram: I don't think this guarantees anything about UNC, either. The NCAA is actually complicit in the AFAM situation. I don't see anything coming from that. The more time goes by with no outcome, the better.
Gary-7: There was no effort within the UNC basketball program to cut corners, nor to "steer" players. Only the football program committed actual NCAA infractions. The only remote taint with basketball was during Doherty's tenure of not acting on some red flags about too many players gravitating to AFAM courses and majors. That is far from a culpable offense. Not that the NCAA is above inventing things from time to time, but that would be a hugely unwarranted stretch.
Interesting that Syracuse was able to trace the violations all the way back to 2004, but not quite 2003. Got to protect that title.
i've tried thinking about this every which way. about jurisdiction and all that. the sad reality is the cheating was so calculated and longstanding that it's almost a priceless crime. you give the NCAA a chance to get money and they swoop right in. what jurisdiction did they have in the penn state scandal? no way they make them pay millions upon millions if it was the chess team. the ncaa literally was soo not ready for this that they didn't, and still don't know what to do. every stall tactic has been used. the reason we act like this is unprecedented cheating is simply because it is. it's basically been a publically owned story going on 4 years. since academic integrity isn't a punishable crime, they don't have a pricetag. yet hard evidence remains with numerous eye witness accounts, transcripts, and an athletic department already on double secret probabtion basically self reporting two decades of cheating with no penalties. THE single most daming thing as far as the NCAA is concerned is that this scandal isn't sports related, it's sports driven. that's why people are looking to the NCAA.
the irony is that even if the NCAA sent 2000 woodward and bernstein's down there, would they even penalize them still? they have to make money. to us it looks like they don't want to hurt the unc brand. and the best irony is by doing nothing over time, it will turn out to have been the worst investment. said it a million times, they should have slapped their own butts and cleaned house and taken two years off. the'd already be building back up to the tournament fresh off of probation, with fresh blue skies ahead. not so much.
the irony is that even if the NCAA sent 2000 woodward and bernstein's down there, would they even penalize them still? they have to make money. to us it looks like they don't want to hurt the unc brand. and the best irony is by doing nothing over time, it will turn out to have been the worst investment. said it a million times, they should have slapped their own butts and cleaned house and taken two years off. the'd already be building back up to the tournament fresh off of probation, with fresh blue skies ahead. not so much.
This will be the best Gameday ever! Watching them dance around the 800lb gorilla will be great. Not to mention all the UK talk that will be prominent the entire broadcast. Will not miss.
If the NCAA does not penalize UNCheat, can the member schools not in the ACC freeze them out by refusing to play them.
Not much of a punishment, but enough to garner attention if those schools simply state "we won't play you f'ing cheaters"
ACC schools won't have much choice in the matter.
Not much of a punishment, but enough to garner attention if those schools simply state "we won't play you f'ing cheaters"
ACC schools won't have much choice in the matter.
I always felt that the NCAA overstepped their bounds on the Penn State situation. What happened there is a horrendous tragedy, we all agree on that. But to me that was a legal matter, the NCAA jumped the gun and treated it as if it was a situation of cheating and forced them to vacate all these wins because of how they handled an employee who was a child predator. And in wake of the recent news of the lawsuit with the NCAA being settled with the NCAA allowing Paterno's wins to get reinstated PSU ultimately did receive some vindication from that standpoint. Just an ugly, ugly horrible situation though with what that assistant did all those years.
I think the Tar Heels probably are excited. Their championships are going to be protected just like the Melo championship was. Tar Heel nation should be rejoicing. They'll lose some other games. Miss out on some scholarships. Then they'll be hurt some with recruiting, but once that stuff wears off they'll be back in contention.