Jay Wright Comment
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I respect a British paper commenting on American basketball about as much as I would value the NY Post’s view on the Premiership, which is not all.
In the regular season the teams are all fighting for their playoff seeding, and are playing as hard as they can given the games are longer and they play as much as 4 times a week. The reason someone like Damien Lillard can score 71 points in a game isn’t that the defense is bad, it is that he can hit 3 pointers 35 feet away from the basket (10 feet beyond the 3 point line) with two players draped all over him at a 45% clip. The offensive skills of the best players in the NBA are off the charts and you can play perfect defense and do little to slow the top players down. The primary reason most newly drafted players from college fail to see any time in the NBA is because they can’t play man to man defense at a level their coaches consider acceptable. There is much less help in the NBA, and typically only the most elite players get doubled, because everyone can hit open jumper so you want to avoid leaving anyone unguarded unless you absolutely have to.
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Agreed
But after reading S_Janowski comment - I can see how if your standard is Rutgers defensive intensity how you'd find that lacking in the NBA.
Take a decent NBA defensive player and he's Caleb McConnelesque at Rutgers but that's hard to see and not really that meaningful
Google is your friend - there are many other articles out there similar. This one had direct quotes from coaches and players.
I definitely acknowledge that a lot of it has to do with the increased offensive skill and even the officiating…but there are plenty of defensive lapses or plays where guys half-*** it on defense during the regular season….and it’s not just because of how many games they play.
Maybe intensity is the word I should be using.
Generally, I think college players bring much more intensity on the defensive side than the NBA.
I do recognize the games and seasons are much longer than the NBA…but to me it doesn’t seem like the NBA players bring the same intensity like they used to back when I watched a lot (late 90s through 2000s). Or maybe my perception was off. It does pick up drastically in the playoffs, which I enjoy.
It's funny because college basketball isnt the old college basketball it use to be, its now morphed into a lesser version ofthe NBA game. Thats been taking place slowly over the years.
The only difference being college fans seem to enjoy some teams laying up absolute bricks and horrible offensive possessions at a high clip. That and 25 seconds of post re-post big back other bigs down.
He's probably right at the final four and elite 8 level of players. They can shoot over a defense. Let's worry about that when we have final four talent. Pike alluded to this in his press conference after his hiring. Hell design the game strategy around the players he has.
It all depends on the players you can recruit. Pike has taken great athletes and turned them into amazing defensive players. Now as he brings in players who are talented scorers, Rutgers will change. The shots are there in his offense, some of the new guys will make more of them.
Jay Wright had to talk all day and said a lot of things. OP just has some yarn to spin here. Move along.
I don’t think anyone would have dreamed Cliff not developing a post game after 3 years.
Cliff does a lot of positive things and affects the outcome of games….but!
If he provided even a little throw the ball into Cliff mid-post offense, we would have been fine offensively.
No way Pike didn’t think Cliff would improve that part of his game
Cliff does a lot of positive things and affects the outcome of games….but!
If he provided even a little throw the ball into Cliff mid-post offense, we would have been fine offensively.
No way Pike didn’t think Cliff would improve that part of his game
Cliff has a post game it’s just less optimal than dunk city.
Also most bigs in the nba don’t have post games so this “cliff neees to develop if he wants to play in the nba” is so off. For some reason people act like embiid and jokic are on every nba team lol
Guys like Cliff make it in the NBA if they play like their hair is on fire. You see a good amount of athletic bigs in the nba that just set screens and then aggressively fill the lane when there is an opportunity.
Regarding the NBA comparison, I do think that we’re a little jaded because RU plays defense at extreme intensity. Most programs don’t play that way.
I generally find nba offenses boring because it’s just the same thing over and over. Two guys hang out in the corner. One guy on the wing and pick and roll up top. It makes sense and is efficient but is monotonous. The way the refs call or don’t call illegal ball screens and the way ball handlers can carry all day makes this the most optimal offense. My preference would be for refs to tighten it up a bit so that we see more off the ball movement and a return of some post play. Let them be a little more physical on D. If a team tried to play defense the way RU does, they’d foul out in 5 minutes in an nba game…lol. NBA lacks grittiness….basically just a skills competition. Admittedly, the shooting ability through entire lineups is out of this world these days…
Regarding the NBA comparison, I do think that we’re a little jaded because RU plays defense at extreme intensity. Most programs don’t play that way.
I generally find nba offenses boring because it’s just the same thing over and over. Two guys hang out in the corner. One guy on the wing and pick and roll up top. It makes sense and is efficient but is monotonous. The way the refs call or don’t call illegal ball screens and the way ball handlers can carry all day makes this the most optimal offense. My preference would be for refs to tighten it up a bit so that we see more off the ball movement and a return of some post play. Let them be a little more physical on D. If a team tried to play defense the way RU does, they’d foul out in 5 minutes in an nba game…lol. NBA lacks grittiness….basically just a skills competition. Admittedly, the shooting ability through entire lineups is out of this world these days…
LMAO.
Cliffs no mid low post game had an enormous affect on our lack of offense.
I couldn’t care less about the next level and have never referenced it in regard
To Cliff
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Great summary of the NBA today. Don’t forget how they almost never call traveling as well.
Some people really enjoy the offense and the fact that it’s basically become a skills completion.
Give me back some of the old school bully ball type of play.
Another factor in all of this is how so many players are friends with each other or come together to create these super teams. Another downfall of the NBA imo.
Didn’t Virginia win a national championship with the same style they play now? You need people to make shots. Doesn’t mean you need to be an offensive team first. Defensive minded teams can be successful in the tournament but they do need to make shots.
Elite high scchool players go mostly to schools where their offensive prowess is shown.Rutgers was a basketball team that was stellar on defense and mediocre on offense for most of the season.
You know the NBA travel rule is different right? You get a gather step and NBA refs actually make sure the ball handler has the ball in his hand, they don't anticipate travels.
I wonder what most of the people who have posted stuff about the NBA are watching?
UVA had THE NUMBER 2 OFFENSE IN THE COUNTRY and 3 nba players when they won the title.
They’ve had a 30th, 2nd, and 8th best offenses in the country the last 5 years.
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Watch the tournament more closely today; everybody yesterday was gathering. Auburn boise st Arkansas etc @S_Janowski
You could watch Iowa play and make the exact opposite comments.
Guys have to fill a lot of air time, taking one thing they say and giving it much weight is silly.
Guys have to fill a lot of air time, taking one thing they say and giving it much weight is silly.
It's crazy how the NBA stuff trickles down.
I love the NBA, HATE the gather step, you see 4th graders in AAU doing that garbage and don't even get me started on young kids getting their hands under the ball because they see it on TV
Refs see it on TV and think that's how they should call it - horrible
That’s not what I’m referring to.
You can search Twitter or YouTube to find a ton of egregious missed travel calls in the NBA the past 5 years.
Nothing to do with gathering. But I do hate the gathering crap haha. Makes traveling a much tougher call for the officials.
Then why is Jay calling Virginia out? I don’t see the connection. Was he talking about a different team?
Some of those are hilarious
The NBA is NOT sport first, it's entertainment first. People like dunks. The NBA has just a little of the WWE in it.
Steph Curry travels a ton on the catch in non-pressure situations, takes 2-3 steps before his first dribble, it's like incidental contact, an incidental travel, that they never call. I hate it, horrible for kids watching because they think that's cool.
There is a piece on Tim Donaghy, the ref who was gambling, talking about the guidance they get, they were told to call the post spin move where the player pivots, steps, then dribbles a travel. He called it on Jordan, Jordan looked at him like he was crazy, and afterwards Donaghy got told - we want that called, just not on HIM
Cliff works hard and is a great kid. I’m with you on this. Who am I to judge these kids who work in the gym every day?
Yep totally agree. NBA leadership has a lot impact and influence on how the sport has evolved (much like any other entity like the NFL etc.). The Donaghy documentary was very interesting.
I know the NBA is as popular as ever especially amongst the younger generation.
Players are wayyy more skilled, but personally I don’t love what the NBA has become for a number of reasons.
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The sky is also blue @RUsojo . It does amaze me how many people here have their heads stuck in the sand
I can see that, it's entertainment over sport.
I can't believe people bet on it.
I still love it.
I think the NFL is even worse in ways, especially the absurd lengths they've gone to in protected QBs
Who is questioning work ethic.
Cliff doesn’t have a viable mid post game and we suffered because of it.
Both attempting to get him the ball mid post and after he received it led to numerous turnovers or a non productive possession.
I have no doubt Cliff worked his *** off in practice, that part of his game is not there.
Low post, put backs and dishes to Cliff under the basket all good
Virginia won a national championship
Iowa gets bounced every single year only caring about offense. Can use that as an argument you can't win trying to outscore opponents
Obviously, to be a great team you need both offense and defense
Iowa gets bounced every single year only caring about offense. Can use that as an argument you can't win trying to outscore opponents
Obviously, to be a great team you need both offense and defense
Forget Pike and defense.
Hire Paul Westhead …
“Westhead's teams led Division I in scoring in 1988 (110.3 points per game), 1989 (112.5), and 1990 (122.4).[4] LMU's 122.4 point per game in 1990 still remains the NCAA record as of 2023.”
Hire Paul Westhead …
“Westhead's teams led Division I in scoring in 1988 (110.3 points per game), 1989 (112.5), and 1990 (122.4).[4] LMU's 122.4 point per game in 1990 still remains the NCAA record as of 2023.”
I LOVED those teams. Wish more coaches played like that. Recruits would be calling them
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Need both but its foolish to pretend offense isnt more important. UVA won that natty because they had the #2 ranked offense in the country
In which we still pretend that a point prevented is somehow more or less important than a point scored. Lol clowns