Jeff Fedora - USM traded bad offense for bad defense**
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That conference is a joke! They should give up football and take up competitive Tiddle Winks. I guess with out them the SEC would have to take on Mountain West or WAC as a whooping board. Hell you can damn near throw in the Big East. That's another joke conference. They are not worthy of a BCS bowl. They should make that one a at large bid.
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My take is ECU is trying to become USM defense, but it will never
happen. We will get the players to consistently play defense. Last night
was a few good hits and some cheap. Your defense as a unit is bad. Our
defense is # 16 in the counrty not yours. You lost that game everywhere
except on the scoreboard and sometimes that will happen. We will see you
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My take is ECU is trying to become USM defense, but it will never
happen. We will get the players to consistently play defense. Last night
was a few good hits and some cheap. Your defense as a unit is bad. Our
defense is # 16 in the counrty not yours. You lost that game everywhere
except on the scoreboard and sometimes that will happen. We will see you
next year.</font><font size="2">This post was edited on 10/10 11:46 AM by ireagle
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Team Total Offense ranking</span>
ECU #55
SC #64
La Tech #80
Kansas #89
Marshall #106
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ECU #55
SC #64
La Tech #80
Kansas #89
Marshall #106
and Prairie View
that USM has a Croom/McCorvey type relationship with Fedora/whoever their DC is.
So, look for them to continue to have problems on defense as long as Fedora is there.
So, look for them to continue to have problems on defense as long as Fedora is there.
USM's defenses weren't all that great during Bower's last couple years-- which was not typical for a Bower-coached team at USM.
I have a good friend whose Dad is a BIG USM fan. It was funny because he has called the Tyrone Nix era almost exactly as it has happened at Ole Miss. He said that they would be good for about a year, and then rapidly decline. He also told me years ago that Nix had no clue how to stop the option. According to him, Nix is not very well thought of as a coach down in the hub. He also pointed out that Nix was about to get fired from South Carolina before he took the Ole Miss job.
But yeah, USM always had good defenses from John Thompson and Dave Wommack and I always thought that Bower did a pretty good job of developing QB's for USM and putting out a pretty solid offense. They also recruited pretty well.
But yeah, USM always had good defenses from John Thompson and Dave Wommack and I always thought that Bower did a pretty good job of developing QB's for USM and putting out a pretty solid offense. They also recruited pretty well.
Because I don't live down there anymore, so I dropped by to see who won... There were ECU fans on USMs board calling their players thugs, while there were USM fans on ECUs board calling their players thugs. From the way they all described it, it looked more like a hockey game than a football game. Anybody have any insight?
Nix was DC from 2001-2004, which means he was on the staff the last time USM won Conference USA in 2003. I thought Nix did a pretty good job as DC but in retrospect he left for Carolina at the right time because the talent level on defense from 2005 on appeared not to be as good as it was when he was there.
this new set of coaches about 4 times more than they were paying the previous coaching staff. And they are getting almost as good as, or just as good as, performances from their football teams as they did under Bower. I'm glad those snobby *** alum who wanted Bower gone are getting what they deserve. Bower never left for bigger and better jobs and was as loyal an any coach will be in the present day College Football Business.
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what better jobs were there for Bower? there were some very minor rumors in his time there that never had legs. plus, all you have to do is look at how many jobs he has been offered after getting run off from USM to see that not many ADs around the country consider him a very good coach or at least not a coach they want to hang their hiring reputation on.
i simply have never understood the love for bower on this board. he only had 10 fans at USM that liked him but hundreds of them here.
i simply have never understood the love for bower on this board. he only had 10 fans at USM that liked him but hundreds of them here.
was South Alabama when they were starting up a few years ago. I'm kind of surrpised that they didn't hire him, but I think the guy that they did hire played for the Bear, and I have no idea if the guys on that committee were Alabama people or what the situation was.
Bower was good at USM, and he fit in pretty well there. It was a good fit because he played there, I think he really cared about the program and wanted to make it as good as he possibly could, and he did indeed build it into a very successful program. I went to some games there when he was coaching, and they had some good stuff going on down there.
I think Bower is typical of the coach that maybe had a chance to move on, but decided to stay, and now he is past his prime. I think Bower would be great at a Sun Belt or I-AA school. He can coach, but he's not a SEC level coach. He probably had a chance to move up and it either didn't work out or he decided to stay- which is not surprising since he was an alum.
One thing I will say about his teams during his heyday- they were always well prepared and always well coached, and they were always ready. And we couldn't say that every week with Jackie and Croom. That and he always seemed to have pretty solid QB play. At least that's what I like about Bower. I would not want him as a HC at MSU, though.
Bower was good at USM, and he fit in pretty well there. It was a good fit because he played there, I think he really cared about the program and wanted to make it as good as he possibly could, and he did indeed build it into a very successful program. I went to some games there when he was coaching, and they had some good stuff going on down there.
I think Bower is typical of the coach that maybe had a chance to move on, but decided to stay, and now he is past his prime. I think Bower would be great at a Sun Belt or I-AA school. He can coach, but he's not a SEC level coach. He probably had a chance to move up and it either didn't work out or he decided to stay- which is not surprising since he was an alum.
One thing I will say about his teams during his heyday- they were always well prepared and always well coached, and they were always ready. And we couldn't say that every week with Jackie and Croom. That and he always seemed to have pretty solid QB play. At least that's what I like about Bower. I would not want him as a HC at MSU, though.
and I know a USM player got ejected for throwing a punch and there were a ton of unsportsmanlike penalties.
Lately they've having a ton of trouble finding any decent DL or CB/S. Back when they were pretty good under Bower they consistently had guys in the secondary get drafted in the NFL - usually late rounds, but drafted nonetheless. The secondary as a whole has gotten roasted by every decent passing attack the past few years.
They've also really struggled to find any decent DL. Very little pass rush (much like us without McPhee). Their LB's are decent but that's about it and they don't have any depth.
Plus Fedora is doing just what Bower was doing in the end and that was starting to lose games they shouldn't lose. It's happening to them 1-2 a year. Lasty year they lost to a really bad UAB team for instance. They should have beaten ECU.
On offense as good as Austin Davis has been for them, both he and their playcalling go in the crapper in the 4Q when they are behind one score and need to have a drive to win the game. I can't remember the last time they had the ball late and even moved the ball enough to be a threat. Same thing happened Sat. - had the ball late and couldn't get it done.
They've also really struggled to find any decent DL. Very little pass rush (much like us without McPhee). Their LB's are decent but that's about it and they don't have any depth.
Plus Fedora is doing just what Bower was doing in the end and that was starting to lose games they shouldn't lose. It's happening to them 1-2 a year. Lasty year they lost to a really bad UAB team for instance. They should have beaten ECU.
On offense as good as Austin Davis has been for them, both he and their playcalling go in the crapper in the 4Q when they are behind one score and need to have a drive to win the game. I can't remember the last time they had the ball late and even moved the ball enough to be a threat. Same thing happened Sat. - had the ball late and couldn't get it done.
AfterConference USA went to a two-division format in 2005, USM and Tulane did not play each other in 2007 and 2008 what with the Green Wavebeing in the western division andthe Eaglesin the eastern.
Considering past history between ECU and USM, the Pirates are one of the top rivals (Memphis is another simply because so many games have been played between the two schools).
Considering past history between ECU and USM, the Pirates are one of the top rivals (Memphis is another simply because so many games have been played between the two schools).
1. With all the interest in recruiting, both from the fan/Internet level and the fact the major schools are much more sophisticated about it than they used to be, it's getting much harder for USM to find those diamonds that everyone missed out on. There just aren't hardly any HS players who can fly under the radar these days like they used to.
2. Schools like UAB, Troy, LA Tech, LA-Monroe (and soon South Alabama) are taking a lot of the Bama/Auburn/LSU leftovers USM used to make a living off of.
2. Schools like UAB, Troy, LA Tech, LA-Monroe (and soon South Alabama) are taking a lot of the Bama/Auburn/LSU leftovers USM used to make a living off of.
USM was just as bad or worse than ECU.
It started getting ugly when some USM players got mixed up on the ECU sideline and a scuffle broke out. It was completely away from the play. While the refs were trying to break it up, the USM player reacted and threw a punch in front of a ref - first ejection.
USM then kept getting personal fouls, because they kept running their mouths. It was pathetic to watch. They could have avoided 3 or 4 personal fouls by keeping their mouths shout. I thought USM looked just as thuggish as ECU or more.
I only saw ECU commit one or 2 cheap shots and both got flagged. An ECU safety did take a cheap shot and delivered a kill shot on a USM WR when the ball was clearly over thrown and the receiver was in the air. The other was on an ECU kickoff, an ECU player basically dove straight into the legs of the lead blocker for USM - it was the first chop block I ever saw called against the defense.
The ECU ejection was a bad call. The ECU safety tried to hit the USM
receiver, led with the shoulder, missed, and went helmet to helmet. At
that point though, I think the refs were just trying to make an example.
The thing is, besides the scuffle the ECU hits were later in the game. USM kept getting personal fouls the entire game. Fedora lost control of his team and they absolutely cost themselves that game.
It started getting ugly when some USM players got mixed up on the ECU sideline and a scuffle broke out. It was completely away from the play. While the refs were trying to break it up, the USM player reacted and threw a punch in front of a ref - first ejection.
USM then kept getting personal fouls, because they kept running their mouths. It was pathetic to watch. They could have avoided 3 or 4 personal fouls by keeping their mouths shout. I thought USM looked just as thuggish as ECU or more.
I only saw ECU commit one or 2 cheap shots and both got flagged. An ECU safety did take a cheap shot and delivered a kill shot on a USM WR when the ball was clearly over thrown and the receiver was in the air. The other was on an ECU kickoff, an ECU player basically dove straight into the legs of the lead blocker for USM - it was the first chop block I ever saw called against the defense.
The ECU ejection was a bad call. The ECU safety tried to hit the USM
receiver, led with the shoulder, missed, and went helmet to helmet. At
that point though, I think the refs were just trying to make an example.
The thing is, besides the scuffle the ECU hits were later in the game. USM kept getting personal fouls the entire game. Fedora lost control of his team and they absolutely cost themselves that game.
I guess I'm the only one that thinks the Fedora higher was a good one. The only thing hurting him right now is his loyalty to his DC. I can understand why he wants to keep him, because that's job security and he needs to take care of his family, but there are better routes that could be taken to rectify the situation. But honestly, with Bower... Southern was stagnate, and their production was historically on a steady decline even though the record does not show that. To be a first time head coach at a relatively young age, I think he's doing well at the moment and is a necessary piece for USM to become a factor in the FBS