Jevan Snead to be the number 1 pick in the draft
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considering the history with those two basically making him skip out on his commitment with Florida and beating him out at Texas.
If by the end of the season, he's being projected as the No. 1 QB in the 2010 draft, then he should definitely go. However, it is a somewhat QB heavy draft next year, so if he's not a clear cut No. 1 QB in the draft, he'd probably do well to stay, because he'd almost definitely be the top QB in the 2011 draft.
All that said, isn't it a tad bit early to do draft projections considering you have no clue who will even be picking in what order and what they'll be looking for? I could see rating potential draftees by position, but projecting an order is WAY early.
If by the end of the season, he's being projected as the No. 1 QB in the 2010 draft, then he should definitely go. However, it is a somewhat QB heavy draft next year, so if he's not a clear cut No. 1 QB in the draft, he'd probably do well to stay, because he'd almost definitely be the top QB in the 2011 draft.
All that said, isn't it a tad bit early to do draft projections considering you have no clue who will even be picking in what order and what they'll be looking for? I could see rating potential draftees by position, but projecting an order is WAY early.
Most years under Bianco, our juniors have almost all gone early. Head, Pettway, Holliman, Fowler, Cupps, Maloney, Cozart, Coghlan, Brashear, Kline, Lynn, Satterwhite, Overbeck, Michael Guerrero, Justin Henry, Alex Presley, and Seth Smith all left with a year of eligibility still left to play. We had 8 players drafted last year, all of which still had a year of eligibility left. 3 of them (Power, Basham, and Bittle) all came back, which was a lot more than normal for us, but overall we still had 5 players leave early before this year.
though your point stands. What's funny though is that a lot of his better players were two stars and three stars, not the "studs" he signed
RebelBruiser said:
Depends on the eminent rookie salary cap. I'm not sure when the current collective bargaining agreement expires, but the next one will surely drastically reduce the guaranteed money being paid to rookies. Sneed needs to get to the NFL before that.
I heard someone on ESPN say that Stafford's contract guarantees him twice the amount of money that Tom Brady's contract guarantees. That's insane. There has never been a more profitable time for NFL rookies than right now.
Optimus Prime 4 said:
Exactly, which is why I quit buying into the star system.
Mike Wallace - 2 star
Shay Hodge - 2 star
Dexter McCluster - 3 star
Peria Jerry - 2 star and then a 3 star
Greg Hardy - 3 star
And even though this isn't an Orgeron recruit, our 3 star RB (Bolden) is beating out the 4 star (Eason) and the 5 star (Davis).
I definitely buy that over a large sample, you're looking at better players in the 4 and 5 star groups, but on an individual basis, it doesn't mean that much.
coach66 said:
I'll agree with you. I was down on our team all off-season because we lost a lot of the key contributors from a team that was mediocre the previous year. We had a lot of holes to fill. Bittle coming back and filling one of the weekend starter roles is a big part of why we have a shot at going pretty far, and he's a big reason we aren't on the SEC tourney bubble right now. If he's not around, there is a good chance we are 10-11 right now instead of 13-8.
...was the best QB in the SEC at the end of last year...PERIOD! If Ole Miss finds a left tackle than can protect his blind side, he will be the best in the SEC again this year. I frankly agree with the draft projection. Just a question for the Rebs, but how are your backups looking?
Stanley looked good in the spring game and Moore looks to be doing well in spite of whatever happened in the fall. We still have Tapp (who I dont really think is great but has been around a while and knows whats going on) and Cotton coming in for the fall. If something were to happen to Snead, I feel that Stanley would probably be the guy. He has the tools, but there would be an obvious difference in experience and he would probably struggle at least for a few games.
I think he was talking about your backups for next year. There is an obvious drop off in the talent of Snead and what is currently on the roster at OM. Stanley could be serviceable but he is no Snead.
If Snead is in the top 5 overall picks in the 2010 draft which I fully expect then he is gone. There is no way a QB will come back and risk injury that could kill his draft status if he is projected in the top 5 picks overall as a 4th year Junior. He will already have a college degree in his hand by the end of this year most likely and will move on to the NFL.
After the 2009 season, OM will start playing more with Nutt's players than O's players. O's last really good class will graduate after this season. If you look at what Nutt inherited.....Snead, Peria Jerry, John Jerry, Michael Oher, Mike Wallace, Greg Hardy, Dexter McCluster etc. You have to give it to Coach O. He is an outstanding recruiter. I for one am glad he is gone from OM. If he would have stayed around he would have eventually started winning and would have stockpiled the talent for years to come. I think OM pulled the trigger early on him and I am glad they did. Nutt is a good coach, but the talent will fall off once O's players are gone.
If Snead is in the top 5 overall picks in the 2010 draft which I fully expect then he is gone. There is no way a QB will come back and risk injury that could kill his draft status if he is projected in the top 5 picks overall as a 4th year Junior. He will already have a college degree in his hand by the end of this year most likely and will move on to the NFL.
After the 2009 season, OM will start playing more with Nutt's players than O's players. O's last really good class will graduate after this season. If you look at what Nutt inherited.....Snead, Peria Jerry, John Jerry, Michael Oher, Mike Wallace, Greg Hardy, Dexter McCluster etc. You have to give it to Coach O. He is an outstanding recruiter. I for one am glad he is gone from OM. If he would have stayed around he would have eventually started winning and would have stockpiled the talent for years to come. I think OM pulled the trigger early on him and I am glad they did. Nutt is a good coach, but the talent will fall off once O's players are gone.
I doubt Snead will myself if his season is that good. But if he plays well enough to be the number one pick, we probably have a great season, so I'm ok with that.
...He was a good recruiter but I'm not sure if he had enough talent to make up for his coaching mishaps. If you are using close losses to reach that point, note that in 06 Croom lost 4 games by 3 points. However, the reason he lost those games was because (like Coach O) he was a <17>ing moron.</p>
If he had gotten the right people around him them maybe yeah, but I'm just not sure I see it.</p>
If he had gotten the right people around him them maybe yeah, but I'm just not sure I see it.</p>
statemba said:
Two things:
1) Orgeron had lost the team. They weren't playing for him. They weren't motivated to play for him, and that wouldn't have changed overnight, so I don't think he ever would've won more than maybe 7 games or so if he was lucky, no matter how much talent he brought in. Along with that, his practice of recruiting a lot of players with grade issues and his practice of running off players was starting to catch up with him. APR was and still is going to be an issue for us in the near future because of that. Plus, his recruiting pitch was losing steam with each losing season. All that said, I don't see how anyone could say that it wasn't a good thing that we cut bait with him. Honestly, it was a little bit like Sherrill at the end of his time at State. Sherrill lost that 2001 team and he never got them back over the coming years. Holding on for longer would've just compounded the problem.
2) Nutt's recruiting in his first two years, at least on paper, has been the equivalent of Orgeron's in his first two classes at Ole Miss (if you're one of those that buys into the rankings, even though I don't). Look it up. That said, a big part of Orgeron's success was finding 2 and 3 star guys that had SEC ability. Nutt appears to have done that so far with a handful of players as well, but it remains to be seen if the "bottom" of his classes will be as strong. The one bonus he has over Orgeron's recruiting at this point is that a lot more of his players appear to be sticking around. Orgeron left us with about 45 scholarship players from his 3 recruiting classes when he left due to his extrememly high attrition rate. Nutt still has 24 or 25 from his first class that are enrolled and still playing, and I don't see nearly as high of a future attrition rate with his players.
not mistaken and honestly the Manning family was and is pretty set from a financial perspective not to mention the obvious family ties to the university. I don't know Snead's family financial situation but just looking at his dad on CSS the other day he looked like your average good ole boy Texas cowboy but you never know he may have an oil well in his back yard and loves kicking *** in Whiskey Alley.
Coach O had really good recruiters around him and he was bringing in very talented kids who just needed time to mature and get to that Jr. or Sr. level. It may have taken Coach O one extra year, but it may not have. Coach O never got to play with Snead at QB who he recruited and Snead is the main reason OM went to the Cotton Bowl. I think the 2009 season would have been O's breakout year, but he would have had a nice 2008 season but maybe not as good as Nutt did. O may have gone 7-5 with a Chick Fil A Bowl game. I really believe if OM would have kept O he would have kept it going by having stockpiled talent at OM and started to win bigger each year.
Nutt can coach the kids up but he is getting older and he will does not recruit to the level that Coach O did. It will start showing up after Snead, McCluster, Jerry, Hardy, etc leaves after the 2009 season. OM fans will be spoiled by the talent O left them that matured into Jr. and Sr. level talent and will start demanding Nutt live up to that and he wont be able to. Nutt should get OM to 6-6 or 7-5 years but he wont bring in the talent to win 9 or 10 games a year at OM.
Nutt can coach the kids up but he is getting older and he will does not recruit to the level that Coach O did. It will start showing up after Snead, McCluster, Jerry, Hardy, etc leaves after the 2009 season. OM fans will be spoiled by the talent O left them that matured into Jr. and Sr. level talent and will start demanding Nutt live up to that and he wont be able to. Nutt should get OM to 6-6 or 7-5 years but he wont bring in the talent to win 9 or 10 games a year at OM.
I'm friends with Stanley, and he has the physical tools to get it done. It's a question of whether he'll be prepared mentally.
Again, you put way too much stock into Orgeron's recruiting, and you obviously completely ignore the damage he was doing to the team. This isn't Playstation. You don't just stockpile the best talent and tell them to go play and win. You actually have to develop those players.
As for Snead, his numbers through the first 7 games this year were not a whole lot better than what Seth Adams did for us in 2007. It wasn't until the second half of the season that he figured it out, and I believe a lot of that had to do with coaching coming from Austin. What's to say Snead would've made that turnaround without Austin helping him through the process. There is a good chance he'd have remained a gunslinger with a strong arm making poor decisions if Orgeron were still around.
As for Snead, his numbers through the first 7 games this year were not a whole lot better than what Seth Adams did for us in 2007. It wasn't until the second half of the season that he figured it out, and I believe a lot of that had to do with coaching coming from Austin. What's to say Snead would've made that turnaround without Austin helping him through the process. There is a good chance he'd have remained a gunslinger with a strong arm making poor decisions if Orgeron were still around.