Jimbo getting fired today

[ThePunish-EER]

Not enough improvement to know if its because of the weak schedule or is Brown actually getting better. The BYU game looked good but when you look at their body of work its very unimpressive. Your boy is just an average coach. 3 coaches off the top of my head who are better. Holgerson, Fisher and Rich Rod.

Let’s look at it this way

In a 4 week stretch we played Pitt, TCU, Houston, Texas Tech. We went 3-1. The combined record of these 4 teams was 15-25. If you add up the cumulative difference between WVU and all 4 opponents, it equals 23 points. We beat Pitt by 11, beat Texas Tech by 7, beat TCU by 3, and lost to Houston by 2. For clarification and not to exclude the remaining G5 newcomer we also beat UCF is only 5-5. By contrast, had we played our typical Big12 schedule prior to the new G5 teams that joined this year, we would’ve been up against 4 teams with a combined record of 29-11. Kansas 7-3, Kansas State 7-3, Iowa State 6-4, Texas 9-1. This shows me we have not improved and probably would be sitting at 3-7 or 4-6. Pretty much the standard Neal Brown era WVU team.

 

[WVUBRU]

Let’s look at it this way

In a 4 week stretch we played Pitt, TCU, Houston, Texas Tech. We went 3-1. The combined record of these 4 teams was 15-25. If you add up the cumulative difference between WVU and all 4 opponents, it equals 23 points. We beat Pitt by 11, beat Texas Tech by 7, beat TCU by 3, and lost to Houston by 2. By contrast, had we played our typical Big12 schedule prior to the new G5 teams that joined this year, we would’ve been up against 4 teams with a combined record of 29-11. Kansas 7-3, Kansas State 7-3, Iowa State 6-4, Texas 9-1. This shows me we have not improved and probably would be sitting at 3-7 or 4-6. Pretty much the standard Neal Brown era WVU team.

Why not look at facts instead of made up conjecture when forming an opinion or making a comment? Fact is we are 6-4.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Why not look at facts instead of made up conjecture when forming an opinion or making a comment? Fact is we are 6-4.

Made up? I gave you factual scores. While I have offered opinions on what could’ve happened, I think the likelihood is I’m right. We struggled to get by those 5 scrubs, but you think WVU would’ve also gone at least 3-1 against much tougher Big12 opponents with Texas, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State? The probability is not likely. I think 1-3 at best. Possibly 0-4. Thus, we would be at 3-7 or 4-6. Let’s assume WVU wins out against Cincinnati and Baylor as they should since both are 3-7. The final record? WVU 6-6 or 5-7. Exactly like every single Neal Brown led WVU team since he arrived.

 

[WVUBRU]

Made up? I gave you factual scores. While I have offered opinions on what could’ve happened, I think the likelihood is I’m right. We struggled to get by those 5 scrubs, but you think WVU would’ve also gone at least 3-1 against much tougher Big12 opponents with Texas, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State? The probability is not likely. I think 1-3 at best. Possibly 0-4. Thus, we would be at 3-7 or 4-6

Likelihood you are right is conjecture and made up along with projecting a record based on it. Fantasy.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Likelihood you are right is conjecture and made up along with projecting a record based on it. Fantasy.

Probability is in my favor.

 

[WESTBGVA]

Don Nehlen said he was advised before ever taking a head coaching job that the most important thing in being a successful head coach is the schedule

 

[WVUBRU]

Probability is in my favor.

So, you desiring the team to have won last week. If they did, since the probability says he shouldn't have, you wouldn't have counted that either?

Stick to facts. We have lost to three better teams, have beaten 1 that we were dominant and are 5-1 in the others. Now if that is poor in your eyes, no peep out of me.

 

[WESTBGVA]

WVU played for the national championship in 1988 behind Major Harris...only two teams on that schedule had a winning record Pitt(6-5) and Syracuse (10-2)..Penn St was 5-6

 

[ThePunish-EER]

So, you desiring the team to have won last week. If they did, since the probability says he shouldn't have, you wouldn't have counted that either?

Stick to facts. We have lost to three better teams, have beaten 1 that we were dominant and are 5-1 in the others. Now if that is poor in your eyes, no peep out of me.

I gave you the actual reasons and factual scores. Again the probability is much greater that I’m correct based on everything I’ve presented. Believe whatever you wish. Neal Brown is failing. Period

 

[ThePunish-EER]

WVU played for the national championship in 1988 behind Major Harris...only two teams on that schedule had a winning record Pitt(6-5) and Syracuse (10-2)..Penn St was 5-6

That Syracuse team would throttle this team today.

 

[WVUBRU]

I gave you the actual reasons and factual scores. Again the probability is much greater that I’m correct based on everything I’ve presented. Believe whatever you wish. Neal Brown is failing. Period

I'm not commenting on Brown, I'm commenting on your very failed logic. I'm believing in facts; you are in fantasyland with conjecture.

 

[WESTBGVA]

That Syracuse team would throttle this team today.

so we'd be 10-1 instead of 11-0...there's no such thing as a coaching genius or messiah..Aranda was called that..now they are 3-7 and his fans say things like..he's too passive..he never ever gets on the officals..blah blah blah

 

[ThePunish-EER]

so we'd be 10-1 instead of 11-0...there's no such thing as a coaching genius or messiah..Aranda was called that..now they are 3-7 and his fans say things like..he's too passive..he never ever gets on the officals..blah blah blah

Laughable you’re attempting to compare the 1988 WVU with this year’s edition. Nevermind that team had a ton of future NFL players. Nevermind they blew out just about every team on the schedule. How many teams did WVU blow out this year? A FCS team and a recent G5 school 1 year removed from those ranks and sits at 5-5

 

[deedoubleyou]

I'm not commenting on Brown, I'm commenting on your very failed logic. I'm believing in facts; you are in fantasyland with conjecture.

You are the one in fantasy land thinking Neal Brown hasnt failed in his time at WVU. He has shown no improvement this year from the last. He is an average coach and thats all. Holgerson is even a better coach. WVU and our awesome facilities are actually what's getting most of his players to commit. A really good coach would thrive with the new improved football facilites. Neal Brown isnt thriving, he's struggling. We handed him a sports car and he's driving it like a Yugo.

 

[jlaudiomaster]

Doesn't matter that he was in the toughest division in the SEC as he was handed more than ample resources to compete at that level. I mean look at how much they are going to be paying him NOT to come to work ($77 mill.). There is simply no excuse for underperforming at a place like that which is why they fired him.

So let’s just completely ignore that he won a national championship and had a successful record in the toughest conference in the country bc we want to selectively look at one years results with a third string qb, amongst some other issues. Meanwhile, let’s ignore the very real fact that Brown is still under .500 for his career at WVU and may finally get lucky and exceed 6 wins for the first time on a schedule that contains currently exactly zero wins against teams with a record over .500

 

[WESTBGVA]

Laughable you’re attempting to compare the 1988 WVU with this year’s edition. Nevermind that team had a ton of future NFL players. Nevermind they blew out just about every team on the schedule. How many teams did WVU blow out this year? A FCS team and a recent G5 school 1 year removed from those ranks and sits at 5-5

WVU played a team that dropped football the next year..this team has future NFL players..I can name five

 

[ThePunish-EER]

WVU played a team that dropped football the next year..this team has future NFL players..I can name five

Now go look up the 1988 team that actually had them

 

[WESTBGVA]

Now go look up the 1988 team that actually had them

so if we finish 8-4...what will you feel?..because feelings count to some people..just not me..go hard or go home..

 

[WESTBGVA]

Laughable you’re attempting to compare the 1988 WVU with this year’s edition. Nevermind that team had a ton of future NFL players. Nevermind they blew out just about every team on the schedule. How many teams did WVU blow out this year? A FCS team and a recent G5 school 1 year removed from those ranks and sits at 5-5

if you think Neal Brown isn't the coach next year...the joke is on you skippy

 

[deedoubleyou]

if you think Neal Brown isn't the coach next year...the joke is on you skippy

If you think he would have made it through last season without getting fired, if there werent a ridiculous buyout, you are a moron. He earned his firing already, but WVU got stuck so they fired the AD instead lol. He will be gone as soon as its affordable. What a bad look....

 

[jlaudiomaster]

What if we lose to Cincinnati? Will HCNB still be safe?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

so if we finish 8-4...what will you feel?..because feelings count to some people..just not me..go hard or go home..

I’m not impressed whether we finish 8-4 or lose out at 6-6. Listen, both remaining games are against two 3-7 teams. We SHOULD beat them for godsakes. Is that impressive to you? As of the moment, we’ve beaten nobody outside of a FCS team that has a winning record. NONE at all. And if any of them stuck at 5-5 right now win out, our best win is a 7-5 team. And we struggled with all of them except BYU who, like Texas Tech, was without their starting QB. We’ve regressed and it’s obvious.

 

[WESTBGVA]

If you think he would have made it through last season without getting fired, if there werent a ridiculous buyout, you are a moron. He earned his firing already, but WVU got stuck so they fired the AD instead lol. He will be gone as soon as its affordable. What a bad look....

we will be one of the favorites next year with 19 or 20 starters back...Kendrick called out some of the WV fans and said he knows all about impatient and fair weather fans. his Diamondbacks lost 110 games two years ago and made the World Series this year

 

[WESTBGVA]

I’m not impressed whether we finish 8-4 or lose out at 6-6. Listen, both remaining games are against two 3-7 teams. We SHOULD beat them for godsakes. Is that impressive to you? As of the moment, we’ve beaten nobody outside of a FCS team that has a winning record. NONE at all. And if any of them stuck at 5-5 right now win out, our best win is a 7-5 team. And we struggled with all of them except BYU who, like Texas Tech, was without their starting QB. We’ve regressed and it’s obvious.

you play who's on your schedule..alas you won't be getting a new coach. so what is your plan?

 

[deedoubleyou]

I’m not impressed whether we finish 8-4 or lose out at 6-6. Listen, both remaining games are against two 3-7 teams. We SHOULD beat them for godsakes. Is that impressive to you? As of the moment, we’ve beaten nobody outside of a FCS team that has a winning record. NONE at all. And if any of them stuck at 5-5 right now win out, our best win is a 7-5 team. And we struggled with all of them except BYU who, like Texas Tech, was without their starting QB. We’ve regressed and it’s obvious.

We didnt even show up at Oklahoma. The stage was set. The B12 title hunt was in view, Oklahoma is very beatable and we were coming off a good win with a great run game. What a game it could have been, and Neal Brown led this team in ther and laid a complete egg and provided no competition. A total *** whipping. The only decent team we've played since PSU and nothing. Brown has the best roster he has had yet and he cant do **** with it. We barely beat some really bad teams. He is the worst football coach WVU has ever had.

 

[deedoubleyou]

we will be one of the favorites next year with 19 or 20 starters back...Kendrick called out some of the WV fans and said he knows all about impatient and fair weather fans. his Diamondbacks lost 110 games two years ago and made the World Series this year

Neal hasnt been able to even keep a roster together so 19 or 20 returners is nothing but a pipe dream. He probably leads the B12 in transfers out actually. Kendrick is NOT going to throw Brown under the bus on national media, btw. He is also not the only donor and not an idiot. When they can afford to fire Brown he will be gone. That could be this year....

What is telling to me is that Kendrick even commented on fans not liking Brown. He is well aware, and for good reason because on the big platforms like Twitter, you can clearly see the majority of fans dont trust the climb anymore.

 

[WESTBGVA]

Neal hasnt been able to even keep a roster together so 19 or 20 returners is nothing but a pipe dream. He probsbly leads the B12 in transfers out actually. Kerndrick is NOT going to throw Brown under the bus on national media, btw. He is also not the only donor and not an idiot. When they can afford to fire Brown he will be gone. That could be this year....

what Kendrick wants Kendrick gets..WVU only has four large donors and he is the main man.the big Kahuna..KK said Neal should keep his job and it will be done... amen..

 

[ThePunish-EER]

we will be one of the favorites next year with 19 or 20 starters back...Kendrick called out some of the WV fans and said he knows all about impatient and fair weather fans. his Diamondbacks lost 110 games two years ago and made the World Series this year

And Ken Kendrick is an expert on college football because he owns a baseball team? Does that make any sense? He’s a business man in a completely different sport. Means nothing to me or anyone else. At the end of the day, it’s about results.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

what Kendrick wants Kendrick gets..WVU only has four large donors and he is the main man.the big Kahuna..KK said Neal should keep his job and it will be done... amen..

Let’s not forget, Ken Kendrick was very much against hiring Bill Stewart and it still happened. While he may be a giant booster, history proves it’s not only what he wants. There’s other’s obviously with just as much influence at WVU.

 

[deedoubleyou]

what Kendrick wants Kendrick gets..WVU only has four large donors and he is the main man.the big Kahuna..KK said Neal should keep his job and it will be done... amen..

I dont believe this for a second. It will be decided by more than just him. Him being nice is just him playing damage control anyway, because he knows WVU football is a trainwreck compared to what it used to be.

 

[jlaudiomaster]

we will be one of the favorites next year with 19 or 20 starters back...Kendrick called out some of the WV fans and said he knows all about impatient and fair weather fans. his Diamondbacks lost 110 games two years ago and made the World Series this year

If Brown returns next season, and he likely will, we won’t win more than 6 games. You heard it here first.

Edit: 7 if we buy out Penn State and schedule another win

 

[WESTBGVA]

Kendrick wasn't as much against Stewart as he was at losing RR.. angry at the administration and Michigan.. ...there's no one who gives more money to WV sports than Kendrick...he started CRT..the main man has a Honus Wagner baseball card worth 7 million dollars.. I'll say this, Kendrick is around 80 when he's gone I doubt if either of his two children give a dime to WVU..neither one of them grew up or went to school there and have no emotional ties..like Puscar the money will be gone, gone , gone

 

[WESTBGVA]

If Brown returns next season, and he likely will, we won’t win more than 6 games. You heard it here first.

Edit: 7 if we buy out Penn State and schedule another win

I'll say 9.. you heard it here first

 

[deedoubleyou]

Kendrick wasn't as much against Stewart as he was at losing RR.. angry at the administration and Michigan.. ...there's no one who gives more money to WV sports than Kendrick...he started CRT..the main man has a Honus Wagner baseball card worth 7 million dollars.. I'll say this, Kendrick is around 80 when he's gone I doubt if either of his two children give a dime to WVU..neither one of them grew up or went to school there and have no emotional ties..like Puscar the money will be gone, gone , gone

WVU will gain more donors especially if we get things on track. Right now, the students who have endured the Neal Brown years have endured the most boring WVU football ever. They are not as likely to fall in love with it until it improves. WVU gets a lot of money from smaller donors, I've heard a lot of people threatening to hold out until changes are made. Ken Kendrick knows how important the smaller donors are. Brown struggles to fill stadiums too. 0-13 against ranked teams. You seem to actually want to be this bad. I think you are a Pitt fan.

 

[WVUALLEN]

2023 WVU Football Schedule with results and record of opponents

Penn State 38. WVU 15 (Loss).
Penn State record 8-2

Duquesne 17. WVU 56 (Win)
Duquesne record 6-4. FCS school

Pitt 6. WVU 17. (Win)
Pitt record 2-8

Texas Tech 13. WVU 20. (Win)
Texas Tech record 5-5

TCU 21. WVU 24. (Win)
TCU record 4-6

Houston 41. WVU 39. (Loss)
Houston record 4-6.

Oklahoma State 48. WVU 34 (Loss)
Oklahoma State record 7-3

UCF 28. WVU 41. (Win)
UCF record 5-5

BYU 7. WVU 37. (Win)
BYU record 5-5

Oklahoma 59. WVU 20. (Loss)
Oklahoma record 8-2

Next up
Cincinnati record 3-7
Baylor record 3-7

Is this really an improvement? Or the benefit of a very weak schedule and being lucky? WVU was able to dodge Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, and Texas.

There was no dodging. WVU didn't set the conference schedule, outside sources do that. WVU has no control over any teams overall W/L was or will be.

No I'm not a super fan of Brown and after 5 years has shown he is nothing more than a .500 coach.

TCU and Baylor both had winning records at the time when WVU beat them.

Personally if he loses either of the final 2 he should be fired. But I would say he probably will not be.

People put too much blame on the HC when he has no control over anything outside the team.

 

[WESTBGVA]

WVU will gain more donors especially if we get things on track. Right now, the students who have endured the Neal Brown years have endured the most boring WVU football ever. They are not as likely to fall in love with it until it improves. WVU gets a lot of money from smaller donors, I've heard a lot of people threatening to hold out until changes are made. Ken Kendrick knows how important the smaller donors are. Brown struggles to fill stadiums too. 0-13 against ranked teams. You seem to actually want to be this bad. I think you are a Pitt fan.

I think you don't know that we set program records on tickets sales this year..that's what I think

 

[deedoubleyou]

I think you don't know that we set program records on tickets sales this year..that's what I think

Without the Pitt game we didnt do anything, and that had nothing to do with Brown.

 

[WESTBGVA]

WVU will gain more donors especially if we get things on track. Right now, the students who have endured the Neal Brown years have endured the most boring WVU football ever. They are not as likely to fall in love with it until it improves. WVU gets a lot of money from smaller donors, I've heard a lot of people threatening to hold out until changes are made. Ken Kendrick knows how important the smaller donors are. Brown struggles to fill stadiums too. 0-13 against ranked teams. You seem to actually want to be this bad. I think you are a Pitt fan.

are you one of those donors? how much do you give?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

There was no dodging. WVU didn't set the conference schedule, outside sources do that. WVU has no control over any teams overall W/L was or will be.

No I'm not a super fan of Brown and after 5 years has shown he is nothing more than a .500 coach.

TCU and Baylor both had winning records at the time when WVU beat them.

Personally if he loses either of the final 2 he should be fired. But I would say he probably will not be.

People put too much blame on the HC when he has no control over anything outside the team.

I was not saying WVU chose to dodge them. They lucked out by chance. However, I hated that WVU had to play all 4 of the G5 schools.

 

[deedoubleyou]

are you one of those donors? how much do you give?

Yes and not until he's gone. Been donating since 2001. Honestly I'm pondering starting a fire Brown campaign. I might put a little money to get it going.