Reports are saying Paterno is about to pass away. He was taken off a respirator this morning. Saying his family has been called to the hospital waiting on official word.
Sad if true.
Sad if true.
Joe Paterno..
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Reports are saying Paterno is about to pass away. He was taken off a respirator this morning. Saying his family has been called to the hospital waiting on official word.
Sad if true.
Sad if true.
I truly believe the guy was just in a horrible situation. He should have handled things totally different but to me, he is a great man and hate to see his life end this way.
He put his legacy and his school's reputation above the innocence of several children. 17 him and everyone else at PSU. I hope they all burn in Hell.
He's an awful person. I don't wish bad things for him, but for him to have knowledge of what was going on and not take any action is heinous.
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- Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.
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I know you're just trying to be nice, DS...and while Joe didn't do anything "illegal", he did knowingly enable an alleged child rapist.<div>
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he ran like a modern day Stalin, he was oblivious. It's quite possible that none of the reports about the alleged "rapes" ever got circulated beyond the families of the victims and those to which they reported. Furthermore, it's possible the eye witness made everything up... That's all possible.<div>
</div><div>again, I agree that while he did not do anything "illegal", he likely could have stopped a pedophile, and he didn't.</div><div>
</div><div>He admitted he was told about "man-rape" ya know???</div>
</div><div>again, I agree that while he did not do anything "illegal", he likely could have stopped a pedophile, and he didn't.</div><div>
</div><div>He admitted he was told about "man-rape" ya know???</div>
and Coach McQueary also came out and said he did not actually see any sexual acts. So if he never saw any sexual acts, how could he go to Coach Paterno and tell him ????? What if Coach Paterno did go to Coach Sandusky and tell him not to have children in the locker room anymore and Sandusky disobeyed orders??????.....
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1. Penn State students will riot again. They've rioted for stuff like finals ending before, it will just get more media coverage this time, which leads me to...<div>2. Expect a full on blitz by former Penn Staters who are spinning and slanting this like there's no tomorrow. They're going to blame the media (in the media, ironically) in a way that would make a politician blush. Look forward to seeing Lavar Arrington on Behind the Lines. Want to know what Franco Harris thinks about this? Too bad. You're going to hear about it, and they (and the entire sycophantic PSU family) will not let us forget who the "real victim" in all this is.</div>
a different generation....his judgment was clouded...he is not a pervert....he did not believe he was covering up anything sordid....that does not excuse him...hope he moves on down the line soon...his legacy is ruined...he had a good run...he put all his eggs in one basket....too bad...such is life....RIP Joe
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<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">What if Coach Paterno did go to Coach Sandusky and tell him not to have children in the locker room anymore (and Sandusky disobeyed orders)??????."</span><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">translation: "bang away, just don't do it here and compromise PSU"</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">I'm done with this, but will leave you with a few FACTS></span></font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">
</span></font></div><div>[list type=decimal][*]<font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Based on Joe's account of Coach Mcqueary's report, Joe Pa had an ethical DUTY to do more. </span></font>[*]<font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">He admitted he "wished he'd done more".</span></font>[*]<font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">He didn't "do more."</span></font>[/list]<div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">If facts come out that Sandusky is not a pedophile, I'll go to his grave-site and apologize personally.</span></font></div></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">
</span></font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Lock this up, DS.</span></font></div>
<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">What if Coach Paterno did go to Coach Sandusky and tell him not to have children in the locker room anymore (and Sandusky disobeyed orders)??????."</span><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">translation: "bang away, just don't do it here and compromise PSU"</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">I'm done with this, but will leave you with a few FACTS></span></font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">
</span></font></div><div>[list type=decimal][*]<font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Based on Joe's account of Coach Mcqueary's report, Joe Pa had an ethical DUTY to do more. </span></font>[*]<font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">He admitted he "wished he'd done more".</span></font>[*]<font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">He didn't "do more."</span></font>[/list]<div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">If facts come out that Sandusky is not a pedophile, I'll go to his grave-site and apologize personally.</span></font></div></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">
</span></font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Lock this up, DS.</span></font></div>
1st- the guy that saw it, period, is the one that should have made sure this was taken care of. HE saw it! So did a janitor a few years before that never reported it. There's the first mistake.<div>
</div><div>The second- what exactly did this guy tell Paterno? Do we know? I know they went back and questioned him and he kind of reneged on the wording he supposedly gave Paterno, and his second phrasing was kind of vague. This after Joe Pa was fired. How are you vague after seeing something like that?</div><div>
</div><div>3. I agree. Paterno did what was necessary job-wise, but should have gone further IF he had an inkling of the truth (we don't know what he was told now; I'm not going to assume I know what he heard). BUT, so should others. He's certainly not alone.</div><div>
</div><div>YES, I think Joe Pa should have done more, as I just stated. I think he thinks he should have done more, too. I can't say for certain whether he was always aware of the full scope of it. I do think he was truly sorry he didn't go full out and press it. Again, I don't know what he knew, or how he took what he was told.</div>
</div><div>The second- what exactly did this guy tell Paterno? Do we know? I know they went back and questioned him and he kind of reneged on the wording he supposedly gave Paterno, and his second phrasing was kind of vague. This after Joe Pa was fired. How are you vague after seeing something like that?</div><div>
</div><div>3. I agree. Paterno did what was necessary job-wise, but should have gone further IF he had an inkling of the truth (we don't know what he was told now; I'm not going to assume I know what he heard). BUT, so should others. He's certainly not alone.</div><div>
</div><div>YES, I think Joe Pa should have done more, as I just stated. I think he thinks he should have done more, too. I can't say for certain whether he was always aware of the full scope of it. I do think he was truly sorry he didn't go full out and press it. Again, I don't know what he knew, or how he took what he was told.</div>
the guy gave him vague information about a long-time friend and he was maybe not as aggressive with it as he should have been. It'd be a hard reach for me to believe one of my friends was raping kids, too.<div>
</div><div>I could also see McQueary getting nervous and maybe not describing it well enough to make Joe really worry about it like he should have.</div><div>
</div><div>Who knows. I've heard things before that I really didn't put together until later, because I didn't think the people were capable and it didn't enter my mind. It happens, honestly sometimes.</div><div>
</div><div>The big thing is, we don't really know.</div>
</div><div>I could also see McQueary getting nervous and maybe not describing it well enough to make Joe really worry about it like he should have.</div><div>
</div><div>Who knows. I've heard things before that I really didn't put together until later, because I didn't think the people were capable and it didn't enter my mind. It happens, honestly sometimes.</div><div>
</div><div>The big thing is, we don't really know.</div>
Even Jesus doesn't forgive those who don't admit their wrongdoing and ask for forgiveness. Paterno has not taken any responsibility for what he allowed to happen and certainly hasn't shown any remorse. You certainly have the right to your opinion but I just don't see any reason to be merciful or understanding in this situation.
No one "deserves" grace. And we don't know what Paterno's eternal situation is. I guess my point was that none of us deserve any better than what you were wishing for Paterno.
I haven't seen one shred of remorse from Paterno. Therefore, he's either incapable of the feeling or he's a cancer on humanity (I'm not buying the "I was ignorant of the entire situation" argument). There's a reason Hell exist.
When Jesus was crucified he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
I know you are going to say "what about the times didn't do something because of lack of faith like in Nazareth?"- Jesus still loved the people no matter what. He didn't hold their sin against them. Jesus didn't hold grudges against people.
What Jerry Sandusky did to those children was horrible and disgusting. How Joe Paterno handled the situation was wrong and likely regretable for him. But it is for God to judge them, and he will.
I know you are going to say "what about the times didn't do something because of lack of faith like in Nazareth?"- Jesus still loved the people no matter what. He didn't hold their sin against them. Jesus didn't hold grudges against people.
What Jerry Sandusky did to those children was horrible and disgusting. How Joe Paterno handled the situation was wrong and likely regretable for him. But it is for God to judge them, and he will.
But, from what I understand; you have to ask for forgiveness. Which would mean you have to admit you've done something wrong. I'm not seeing that in this situation. "They know not what they do" impliesignorance. Paterno knew damn well what he was doing.
You're right. We have no way of knowing what his true feelings were. Obviously, my opinion where he will spend eternity is irrelevant. Nonetheless, I still have one and its that I think he's an evil man.
I'll chime in ... why not, it's Sunday. Not really a theologian, either, for what it's worth.
In response to what you're saying about having to ask for forgiveness and be aware of wrongdoing, a lot of people (e.g. Presby/Reformed) would point to Ephesians 2:4-7, which says that grace is a gift from God that man could do nothing to earn because he was "dead in our trespasses", and that this grace is the only grace that matters. It's a longstanding disagreement, though, as to what our response to that grace should be, and whether a certain response is necessary for forgiveness/salvation/etc.
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To make this sports-related, Vandy has a Divinity School.
In response to what you're saying about having to ask for forgiveness and be aware of wrongdoing, a lot of people (e.g. Presby/Reformed) would point to Ephesians 2:4-7, which says that grace is a gift from God that man could do nothing to earn because he was "dead in our trespasses", and that this grace is the only grace that matters. It's a longstanding disagreement, though, as to what our response to that grace should be, and whether a certain response is necessary for forgiveness/salvation/etc.
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To make this sports-related, Vandy has a Divinity School.
Hyper-Calvinism from the traditional standpoint is with regard to limited atonement ("the 5th point"). The idea that any response/repentance is an effect of salvation and not a cause of it follows from depravity, though, which is central to every form of Calvinism I've ever heard articulated; but again, I'm not claiming to be very well-versed on it - just chiming in.
ETA: Not that there's anything wrong with being hyper-Calvinist. I just don't agree that the idea is hyper-Calvinist in the traditional sense, for whatever that's worth.
ETA: Not that there's anything wrong with being hyper-Calvinist. I just don't agree that the idea is hyper-Calvinist in the traditional sense, for whatever that's worth.
"the 5th point" is Perserverance of the Saints.
Your post still reeks of hyper-Calvinism, which, again, I have no problem with.
Your post still reeks of hyper-Calvinism, which, again, I have no problem with.
But there are also many who call themselves 4-point Calvinists that don't agree with limited atonement.
As for the hyper-Calvinist thing, PM me. I'm still genuinely curious what you think makes that post "hyper-".
As for the hyper-Calvinist thing, PM me. I'm still genuinely curious what you think makes that post "hyper-".
handled the situation poorly, but lot of good in his life. i was impressed a couple weeks ago when - after his firing - he and his wife gave their annual contribution to PSU in the amount of 100,000. don't know if I had the character to do that after a firing!