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Not sure why it is so hard for some people to say with millions of dollars on the line plus a newborn baby at home it was stupid for Rahm not to get vaccinated.
Granted I am no expert like Fauci (😂) but from what I have read being vaccinated wouldn't have been a guarantee that he is immune from the disease. People who have been vaccinated still have caught the virus but you are less likely to need hospitalization for treatment if you have been vaccinated.
 

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How dare you bring an article with facts to a perfectly good vaccine witch hunt?

Who is arguing the point? I could be wrong, but I don't think any vaccine is 100% effective. But how does that change the risk/reward analysis?

Buckling your seatbelt while driving or wearing a helmet while biking is no guarantee you won't be injured or killed in a crash either, but one is required by law and the other probably ought to be a law. You are much, much safer, statistically, if you buckle up and wear a helmet. Right? Not trying to be a jerk, I honestly just don't understand the argument.
 
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How dare you bring an article with facts to a perfectly good vaccine witch hunt?
I know, right? I'll permaban myself.

Here's another for those interested. Natural immunity after infection appears to be better than vaccine immunity. Take it for what it's worth, since I'm one of the "idiots" who has not yet been vaccinated. I am however, immunized, since I've already been infected.

What vaccines have taught scientists
 
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Who is arguing the point? I could be wrong, but I don't think any vaccine is 100% effective. But how does that change the risk/reward analysis?

Buckling your seatbelt while driving or wearing a helmet while biking is no guarantee you won't be injured or killed in a crash either, but one is required by law and the other probably ought to be a law. You are much, much safer, statistically, if you buckle up and wear a helmet. Right? Not trying to be a jerk, I honestly just don't understand the argument.
There have been several making comments which would insinuate that being vaccinated means you are no longer at risk. He provided a link saying otherwise after gobigblue812 asked for a link. I am just saying that some people don't want facts because a witch hunt is much more fun.
 

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I know, right? I'll permaban myself.

Here's another for those interested. Natural immunity after infection appears to be better than vaccine immunity. Take it for what it's worth, since I'm one of the "idiots" who has not yet been vaccinated. I am however, immunized, since I've already been infected.

What vaccines have taught scientists

So have two of my good friends (had Covid in January), both in their early 60s, and instead of being vaccinated, they agreed to participate in a study at U of L to compare natural immunity to vaccination. And I applaud their willingness to do so.
 

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So have two of my good friends (had Covid in January), both in their early 60s, and instead of being vaccinated, they agreed to participate in a study at U of L to compare natural immunity to vaccination. And I applaud their willingness to do so.
Please report the results if/when you can. Thx.
 
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Who is arguing the point? I could be wrong, but I don't think any vaccine is 100% effective. But how does that change the risk/reward analysis?

Buckling your seatbelt while driving or wearing a helmet while biking is no guarantee you won't be injured or killed in a crash either, but one is required by law and the other probably ought to be a law. You are much, much safer, statistically, if you buckle up and wear a helmet. Right? Not trying to be a jerk, I honestly just don't understand the argument.
Because there is ZERO risk in putting on a seatbelt or wearing a helmet. The same isn't true for getting the vaccine. People have suffered severe reactions, sustained lifelong life altering conditions (strokes) and in some cases even death by getting the vaccine.
 

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Mother Nature continues to provide. The stupid are self-selecting themselves. Fear/idiocy over not getting one of the safest and most effective vaccines ever created.

So the pre-diabetic looking fat kid that has stupid chiseled into his every feature cost himself dearly. That's how natured devised it. That's what the stupid are supposed to do in the natural order of things. That way smarter less retard looking slimmer people survive and perpetuate the species while the big dumb baby fat covered ogres select themselves out of the species.

He's got a Donald Trump starter kit backyard on him, too:
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Settle down Bribeden.
 
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Because there is ZERO risk in putting on a seatbelt or wearing a helmet. The same isn't true for getting the vaccine. People have suffered severe reactions, sustained lifelong life altering conditions (strokes) and in some cases even death by getting the vaccine.

There are absolutely risks with seatbelts. But the rewards outweigh the risks. I agree on the helmet.

The seatbelt analogy is actually a great one with a vaccine.
 
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I know, right? I'll permaban myself.

Here's another for those interested. Natural immunity after infection appears to be better than vaccine immunity. Take it for what it's worth, since I'm one of the "idiots" who has not yet been vaccinated. I am however, immunized, since I've already been infected.

What vaccines have taught scientists

If you've already had the virus, I agree, no "need" to get vaccinated. But there is also no reason "not to".

If I had already been infected (I Haven't) I probably would have waited 6 months until I got my vaccine.

But let's be real. We aren't talking about people who've had and survived the virus. We're talking about people who haven't had it but who are refusing to get vaccinated. As I've said repeatedly, it's their right not to.

But nobody is trying to force you to... So stop whining.
 
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There are several "breakthrough" cases documented. A simple google search will show exactly how many so far. The vaccines aren't 100% and were never advertised as such.

He was asymptomatic and they knew for a year asymptomatics don't transmit the virus. It was all just a show.

This is NOT true.

The whole discussion around "asymptomatic" transmission is pointless because we don't know if somebody is "pre-symptomatic" or "asymptomatic" during the period of time they have the virus.

It's absolutely proven that people transmit when they are pre-sympomatic. So when somebody tests positive but they don't have symptoms yet, they think they're asymptomatic until they develop symptoms.

That's the whole reason you quarantine if you test positive. No way of knowing if or when you will develop symptoms. It's also widely held that a LOT of the people who report that they never had symptoms actually did. Might just be a minor headache or slight increase in temp. Maybe a stuffy nose for a day.
 

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There are absolutely risks with seatbelts. But the rewards outweigh the risks. I agree on the helmet.

The seatbelt analogy is actually a great one with a vaccine.
Let me repeat, there are NO risks in putting ON a seatbelt, unless you choke yourself with it, a la Irwin Mainway (SNL reference back when it was good TV). There is a risk getting the vaccine.
 
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This is NOT true.

The whole discussion around "asymptomatic" transmission is pointless because we don't know if somebody is "pre-symptomatic" or "asymptomatic" during the period of time they have the virus.

It's absolutely proven that people transmit when they are pre-sympomatic. So when somebody tests positive but they don't have symptoms yet, they think they're asymptomatic until they develop symptoms.

That's the whole reason you quarantine if you test positive. No way of knowing if or when you will develop symptoms. It's also widely held that a LOT of the people who report that they never had symptoms actually did. Might just be a minor headache or slight increase in temp. Maybe a stuffy nose for a day.

It is true. It's all out there.

For over a year cdc knew it wasn't transmitting via surfaces from surfaces or from asymptomatics. They also knew previously infected had immunity. They just didn't bother admitting any of it till recently.

Now of course we know they knew alllllll kinda of other stuff, but hid it as well.

The rules were ridiculous. That said, he knew them when he entered.
 

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But nobody is trying to force you to... So stop whining.
It's the ad hominem attacks that are making people angry/whiny. "It’s amazing that there are still idiots out there who haven’t been vaccinated" from earlier in the thread. It's my decision to weigh the pros and the cons. Just because I arrive at a different answer than those getting vaccinated doesn't make me an idiot. And I know it wasn't you doing the name calling - just making a general reply. I don't think you were calling me whiny either.
 
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It is true. It's all out there.

For over a year cdc knew it wasn't transmitting via surfaces from surfaces or from asymptomatics. They also knew previously infected had immunity. They just didn't bother admitting any of it till recently.

Now of course we know they knew alllllll kinda of other stuff, but hid it as well.

The rules were ridiculous. That said, he knew them when he entered.

Again, you cant tell the difference between an aysymptomatic and a pre-symptomatic infection until the virus has run it's course. pre-symptomatic cases are what were driving most of the cases.
 
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Where are all of the prayers for Mr. Rahm? Where is the brotherly love?
Why do you have to try and turn every thread into a bash of Christians, Christianity or religion? We get it you don't believe in God and you are not religious. You really don't have to hijack every thread.
 
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It's the ad hominem attacks that are making people angry/whiny. "It’s amazing that there are still idiots out there who haven’t been vaccinated" from earlier in the thread. It's my decision to weigh the pros and the cons. Just because I arrive at a different answer than those getting vaccinated doesn't make me an idiot. And I know it wasn't you doing the name calling - just making a general reply. I don't think you were calling me whiny either.
Don't forget this one..... "Mother Nature continues to provide. The stupid are self-selecting themselves."
 
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Why do you have to try and turn every thread into a bash of Christians, Christianity or religion? We get it you don't believe in God and you are not religious. You really don't have to hijack every thread.
for the same reason we have to read about hypocrite's getting on here to solicit prayers. be a good christian....and forgive me!
 
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Well this thread certainly has taken a turn for the worse, but then, seems like most all of them do these days. :rolleyes:
 
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I'd argue it is foolish to abuse alcohol, smoke cigarettes abuse drugs, or devote yourself to any religion.
I would also argue...nobody should tell anyone they can't!
 

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I'd argue it is foolish to abuse alcohol, smoke cigarettes abuse drugs, or devote yourself to any religion.
I would also argue...nobody should tell anyone they can't!

I understand the point you are trying to make, but there are all kinds of laws regulating drug and alcohol use, and as just one example, the least of which is public intoxication, which is a misdemeanor, because among other things, it causes all kinds of problems for society for drunks to be wandering around doing stupid ****.
 

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The thing I always enjoy most is that the VERY SAME people that constantly call people "snowflakes" and complain about people being offended too much are the exact same people that will then 1 post later cry and blubber all over the boards about being called a name. It really is amazing to watch.
 
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People used to give the following reasons for not wearing seatbelts
-they wouldn’t be able to escape if the vehicle was on fire or underwater
-they knew someone who had a relative that was in a wreck and the seatbelt crushed their chest.

I have a pretty good feeling that anti-vaccine people are some of the same weirdos that were anti-seatbelt back in the day.

Also, I think most anti vaccine people are likely just scared of needles. Just admit you don’t like shots because they scare you
 
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but there are all kinds of laws regulating drug and alcohol use, and as just one example, the least of which is public intoxication, which is a misdemeanor, because among other things, it causes all kinds of problems for society for drunks to be wandering around doing stupid ****.
why is it acceptable for the government to allow alcohol consumption and not drugs? same damn thing!
most of these drug laws are the reason people are doing stupid ****.
 
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People used to give the following reasons for not wearing seatbelts
-they wouldn’t be able to escape if the vehicle was on fire or underwater
-they knew someone who had a relative that was in a wreck and the seatbelt crushed their chest.

I have a pretty good feeling that anti-vaccine people are some of the same weirdos that were anti-seatbelt back in the day.

Also, I think most anti vaccine people are likely just scared of needles. Just admit you don’t like shots because they scare you
no fooling you...you have the world figured out!
 

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There are absolutely risks with seatbelts. But the rewards outweigh the risks. I agree on the helmet.

The seatbelt analogy is actually a great one with a vaccine.

And in two seconds of a Google search, I found an article from a guy who claims to have been a Yale Grad student arguing the wearing a helmet while biking can also cause injuries, and it is his right not to do so:


I swear to God, I just don't get it
 

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And in two seconds of a Google search, I found an article from a guy who claims to have been a Yale Grad student arguing the wearing a helmet while biking can also cause injuries, and it is his right not to do so:


I swear to God, I just don't get it
Grew up not wearing a helmet but when I became a semi serious road rider I started wearing a helmet. i’ve had a few accidents but none of them that warranted a helmet. However I was riding with a friend and we were forced off the road and when he came back on the road at a high rate of speed his head hit first and broke the helmet and had it not been for the helmet he would be dead. I will always wear a helmet.
 
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Grew up not wearing a helmet but when I became a semi serious road rider I started wearing a helmet. i’ve had a few accidents but none of them that warranted a helmet. However I was riding with a friend and we were forced off the road and when he came back on the road at a high rate of speed his head hit first and broke the helmet and had it not been for the helmet he would be dead. I will always wear a helmet.
how many close calls have you had from drinking alcohol? yet you probably still drink (avatar). my point is we are who we are. and we are shaped from our life's experience's. wear that helmet with pride young man! a little embarrassing with the training wheels...no? lighten up it's a joke
 

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how many close calls have you had from drinking alcohol? yet you probably still drink (avatar). my point is we are who we are. and we are shaped from our life's experience's. wear that helmet with pride young man! a little embarrassing with the training wheels...no? lighten up it's a joke
Oh no, I wasn’t calling you out at all. You said it, we are who we are. We make choices. Live and let live. I’ve made a choice to wear a helmet. No close calls or accidents with alcohol though.
 

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I know, right? I'll permaban myself.

Here's another for those interested. Natural immunity after infection appears to be better than vaccine immunity. Take it for what it's worth, since I'm one of the "idiots" who has not yet been vaccinated. I am however, immunized, since I've already been infected.

What vaccines have taught scientists
Do you have anything new to add? We’ve known from the start that, at best, these vaccines were hoped to be in the mid-90% effective range. What we’ve learned since the shots actually started being given, is that the effectiveness is actually better than originally hoped — as your article points out. Thanks for sharing, but I haven’t read anything newsworthy yet. Old news really.
 
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Oh no, I wasn’t calling you out at all. You said it, we are who we are. We make choices. Live and let live. I’ve made a choice to wear a helmet. No close calls or accidents with alcohol though.
wow.. you have never had a close call or accident while using alcohol? one lucky fella
 
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Why do you have to try and turn every thread into a bash of Christians, Christianity or religion? We get it you don't believe in God and you are not religious. You really don't have to hijack every thread.

Don't take it up with me. Take it up with the experts who finally admitted over a year later that asymptomatic spread isnt a thing.