Josh Allen

[JABJRS]

I am starting to get a funny feeling that this kid is going to end up being a star before his UK career is over; and I'm not talking about his Sr. year, I'm talking about starting next season.

The above statement is quite out of character for me as I put a LOT of stock in star ratings and other P-5 offers (of which Josh had none)......BUT the way this kid's on-field play is being talked about combined with his raw skills (6'4, fast and now up to almost 230 lbs), and the fact he actually played WR in Alabama for 3 year before getting his first taste of defense his Sr. year of high-school just has me feeling like he can be a Bud Dupree kind of athlete.

I remember when he committed his coach in NJ was emphatic about what a "steal" UK had landed and how if he had one more year in H.S. on defense he would have garnered 20-30 P5 offers. At the time I thought to myself "yeah, yeah, I've heard all this before." However, I am slowly becoming a believer.

 

[vhcat70]

Here's hoping you're right.

 

[Mr Schwump]

I am starting to get a funny feeling that this kid is going to end up being a star before his UK career is over; and I'm not talking about his Sr. year, I'm talking about starting next season.

The above statement is quite out of character for me as I put a LOT of stock in star ratings and other P-5 offers (of which Josh had none)......BUT the way this kid's on-field play is being talked about combined with his raw skills (6'4, fast and now up to almost 230 lbs), and the fact he actually played WR in Alabama for 3 year before getting his first taste of defense his Sr. year of high-school just has me feeling like he can be a Bud Dupree kind of athlete.

I remember when he committed his coach in NJ was emphatic about what a "steal" UK had landed and how if he had one more year in H.S. on defense he would have garnered 20-30 P5 offers. At the time I thought to myself "yeah, yeah, I've heard all this before." However, I am slowly becoming a believer.

Just a damned shame he couldn't have RSed last year. Can attribute that to Hatcher/Tubman screw ups.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

NJ has very competitive HS football and Allen was the state leader in sacks his only year playing defense. That's doesn't happen by mistake. His coach also said that Allen is better than DE Darius Slade who he coached and went on to sign with OSU. You watch his film from high school and his athleticism jumps off the screen at you. He's probably our best pass rusher and he's only a sophomore. If the QB's were open for contact in the scrimmage last weekend Allen would've had 3 sacks. The BBN will get to know Allen really well really fast

 

[sluggercatfan]

Just a damned shame he couldn't have RSed last year. Can attribute that to Hatcher/Tubman screw ups.

Tubman DIDN'T screw up he should still be on the team...but for some politically correct, left wing yahoo's he still would be and yet he still wants to come back

 

[DACats86]

NJ has very competitive HS football and Allen was the state leader in sacks his only year playing defense. That's doesn't happen by mistake. His coach also said that Allen is better than DE Darius Slade who he coached and went on to sign with OSU. You watch his film from high school and his athleticism jumps off the screen at you. He's probably our best pass rusher and he's only a sophomore. If the QB's were open for contact in the scrimmage last weekend Allen would've had 3 sacks. The BBN will get to know Allen really well really fast

I'm hoping opposing QBs get to know him real fast.

 

[Glenn Fohr]

Could he be in the Art Still class? Still was a Jersey kid himself.

 

[3kidsandme]

Allen has a bunch of physical ability but people need to temper expectations the kid said he is still only 227 pounds. He will make some plays but there will be times the offense exploits his size.

 

[Ctroberts1024]

He's on the right. He looks bigger than 227.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Could he be in the Art Still class? Still was a Jersey kid himself.

Nobody before or after has been in Art Still's class. Best player ever to play at UK. Still was also significantly bigger that Allen, like 6'7" 270-280. If Allen could be half as good as Still it'd be a huge upgrade.

 

[DACats86]

Allen has a bunch of physical ability but people need to temper expectations the kid said he is still only 227 pounds. He will make some plays but there will be times the offense exploits his size.

Not that it's a huge difference, but 235 is that last I heard. And, at OLB, that's pretty good size. Could be much bigger by the time August rolls around. (I don't seem to have any problems packing on 10-20 pounds in a couple of months...)

 

[TrollCat_rivals128405]

He looks like a WR in that pic.

 

[zcats]

Needs 8 minute abs video, maybe 7 minutes, maybe not. Still wasn't 270 at UK. Started at about 230 and ended up at around 250 or less.

 

[RV]

Nobody before or after has been in Art Still's class. Best player ever to play at UK. Still was also significantly bigger that Allen, like 6'7" 270-280. If Allen could be half as good as Still it'd be a huge upgrade.

As a pro draftee Still was listed at 6-7 253 and was the #2 pick overall to Kansas City. His playing days at UK saw him as a 240-250 unblockable disruptor.

Allen is no Still. Not many folks are but Allen has the requisite talent and measurables to be a very good player for UK before he's done.

 

[Cazwheel1072]

Allen should have been redshirted. He will be 240 soon, plenty good enough on measurables.

 

[Glenn Fohr]

I watched several games of Still during his UK career. They would move him around in a stand up position, placing him in the best opportunity for him to make plays. I rarely ever saw him play with his hand in the dirt. Allen could be used in a similar fashion. I do understand that he doesn't have Still's great size or wing span. Still was an albatross as well.

 

[hmt5000]

Not that it's a huge difference, but 235 is that last I heard. And, at OLB, that's pretty good size. Could be much bigger by the time August rolls around. (I don't seem to have any problems packing on 10-20 pounds in a couple of months...)

I heard he was also around 235ish and was going to be a solid 237 (obscure # lol) by the time season rolls around. I'm guessing they want him to add weight slowly to keep his speed.

 

[zcats]

I watched all of Still's games at UK and he played OLB/DE most of the time, sometimes up sometimes down. UK had some studs playing inside LB like Kovach, Blanton, and Kirchbaum during Art's career. That was the best football I ever saw at UK. That team was national championship caliber.

 

[3kidsandme]

Allen in his video on ukathletics.com from yesterday said he has gained 20 pounds since his arrival weight of 207. That is from the horses mouth yesterday.

 

[vhcat70]

Could he be in the Art Still class? Still was a Jersey kid himself.

Any player compared with Still comes out on the short stick even if very good.

Greatest Still story is when he recovered a fumble vs. LSU there & took off down the field. Cawood says something to the affect of "Still is being chased by an LSU WR! - I have no idea what he thinks he's going to do if he catches him."

 

[Tskware]

You can't compare Art Still's size to today's players, come on people, that was 40 years ago!!! And Josh Allen, nor anyone else on this team, will ever be half the player Art Still was.

That being said, Allen is damn fast, and I think has potential to be pretty damn good by the end of his four year career.

 

[JABJRS]

He looks like a WR in that pic.

Yep, that's the great thing........he runs like one too. Add 10 more lbs and you have a 6'4, 237 lb linebacker who runs like a WR.

 

[3kidsandme]

Yep, that's the great thing........he runs like one too. Add 10 more lbs and you have a 6'4, 237 lb linebacker who runs like a WR.

Yea I really like this kid. He's going to be hard for big tackles to get there hands on.

 

[gamecockcat]

Let's hope he's stronger than the last WR to switch to LB (although Forrest did become a pretty solid SEC LB - we just needed somewhat better than 'solid' with the DL we rolled out there).

 

[3kidsandme]

Let's hope he's stronger than the last WR to switch to LB (although Forrest did become a pretty solid SEC LB - we just needed somewhat better than 'solid' with the DL we rolled out there).

Forrest was not violent at the point of contact. If you hit a guy 2 yards past the Los you don't want them gaining 5 yards

 

[3kidsandme]

I'm starting to wonder if laster doesn't start at will. He gives us another powerful inside guy with love.

 

[Ctroberts1024]

I'm starting to wonder if laster doesn't start at will. He gives us another powerful inside guy with love.

Keep Laster outside so he can rush the passer. Jones, Brown and Kash can/will play Will.

 

[Levibooty]

Tubman DIDN'T screw up he should still be on the team...but for some politically correct, left wing yahoo's he still would be and yet he still wants to come back

I agree with you that Tubman was screwed and should be reinstated from what I know but the rest of your post is just ignorant. There is a tremendous problem that exists whether you want to face it or not with rape on college campuses. For all your indignant ranting about Tubman being a victim of "left wing" political correctness there exists multiple young women that are raped and never see justice for their victimization. I suggest you get off your BS train and research just what female has to live with on college campuses. If you have a daughter then think about that, if you don't try to think anyway. Educate yourself friend.

 

[TeoJ]

Any player compared with Still comes out on the short stick even if very good.

Greatest Still story is when he recovered a fumble vs. LSU there & took off down the field. Cawood says something to the affect of "Still is being chased by an LSU WR! - I have no idea what he thinks he's going to do if he catches him."

I actually remember that call by Cawood.

 

[Levibooty]

God I miss that man. There is nobody today that has the class and ability to entertain without making it about himself like Cawood had.

 

[1977 Cat]

I actually remember that call by Cawood.

It was the LSU kicker who was a wimp chasing him!

 

[Beatle Bum]

You can't compare Art Still's size to today's players, come on people, that was 40 years ago!!! And Josh Allen, nor anyone else on this team, will ever be half the player Art Still was.

That being said, Allen is damn fast, and I think has potential to be pretty damn good by the end of his four year career.

Hhhhmmm. You will give Allen 4, but you're sour on Laster and Love. Ha!

 

[vhcat70]

For all your indignant ranting about Tubman being a victim of "left wing" political correctness there exists multiple young women that are raped and never see justice for their victimization. I suggest you get off your BS train and research just what female has to live with on college campuses. If you have a daughter then think about that, if you don't try to think anyway. Educate yourself friend.

You act college is the worst place for women to be. You actually think a place where there are other women & men all around is the most likely place for a rape to occur?

Show me the college rape kits & the male DNA they show. It's mainly bs; i.e., way more unsubstantiated claims than hard data, till proven otherwise.

"Ninety-one percent of college campuses disclosed zero reported incidences of rape in 2014. With about 11,000 campuses disclosing annual crime data, an overwhelming majority of schools certified that in 2014 they did not receive a single report of a rape." What an epidemic!!

http://www.aauw.org/article/clery-act-data-analysis/

 

[Levibooty]

You act college is the worst place for women to be. You actually think a place where there are other women & men all around is the most likely place for a rape to occur?

Show me the college rape kits & the male DNA they show. It's mainly bs; i.e., way more unsubstantiated claims than hard data, till proven otherwise.

"Ninety-one percent of college campuses disclosed zero reported incidences of rape in 2014. With about 11,000 campuses disclosing annual crime data, an overwhelming majority of schools certified that in 2014 they did not receive a single report of a rape." What an epidemic!!

http://www.aauw.org/article/clery-act-data-analysis/

No you assume what I think because you want to make an argument. Here is a review of the documentary, The Hunting Ground :
http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...documentary_that_fails_to_provide_a_full.html
Now I'm aware that this movie is not the sole source of information but I do think if you read at least the last sentence then you may have a better understanding why the students at Kentucky ruled against Tubman. Like I said at the very beginning of my post above I think Tubman got a raw deal but you don't have a clue if you think rape doesn't happen quite often on college campus or apartments.

So here is an article from a reputable source that has some information about rapes going unreported and how they happen.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...es-nearly-1-in-6-freshmen-women-are-assaulted

If you want lots of reading material go here:
http://time.com/topic/campus-sexual-assault/

Now this is a source I personally think is impeccable:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/college-sexual-assault-study_us_569e928be4b0cd99679b9ada

Maybe you need to read this:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/campus-crime-statistics-undercount-sexual-assaults

I'm just guessing you don't have a daughter in college.

 

[dustarm20]

This thread is titled "Josh Allen", not "The perceived levels of rape on college campuses". Go talk about that stuff somewhere else, not on a football forum.

 

[Levibooty]

This thread is titled "Josh Allen", not "The perceived levels of rape on college campuses". Go talk about that stuff somewhere else, not on a football forum.

I think you are being a bit narrow-minded with that post. We are having a conversation about the circumstances that affected Loyd Tubman's dismissal. It is your choice to read or not and I think if you had read these posts you would know the conversation turned to Tubman a former Kentucky football player. To me that's more appropriate than talking about what Matt Jones said on Finebaum about North Carolina even if I do agree with him. Way more appropriate than talking about Forrest Trump.

 

[vhcat70]

No you assume what I think because you want to make an argument. Here is a review of the documentary, The Hunting Ground :
http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...documentary_that_fails_to_provide_a_full.html
Now I'm aware that this movie is not the sole source of information but I do think if you read at least the last sentence then you may have a better understanding why the students at Kentucky ruled against Tubman. Like I said at the very beginning of my post above I think Tubman got a raw deal but you don't have a clue if you think rape doesn't happen quite often on college campus or apartments.

So here is an article from a reputable source that has some information about rapes going unreported and how they happen.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...es-nearly-1-in-6-freshmen-women-are-assaulted

If you want lots of reading material go here:
http://time.com/topic/campus-sexual-assault/

Now this is a source I personally think is impeccable:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/college-sexual-assault-study_us_569e928be4b0cd99679b9ada

Maybe you need to read this:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/campus-crime-statistics-undercount-sexual-assaults

I'm just guessing you don't have a daughter in college.

No you assume what I think because you want to make an argument. Here is a review of the documentary, The Hunting Ground :
http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...documentary_that_fails_to_provide_a_full.html
Now I'm aware that this movie is not the sole source of information but I do think if you read at least the last sentence then you may have a better understanding why the students at Kentucky ruled against Tubman. Like I said at the very beginning of my post above I think Tubman got a raw deal but you don't have a clue if you think rape doesn't happen quite often on college campus or apartments.

So here is an article from a reputable source that has some information about rapes going unreported and how they happen.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...es-nearly-1-in-6-freshmen-women-are-assaulted

If you want lots of reading material go here:
http://time.com/topic/campus-sexual-assault/

Now this is a source I personally think is impeccable:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/college-sexual-assault-study_us_569e928be4b0cd99679b9ada

Maybe you need to read this:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/campus-crime-statistics-undercount-sexual-assaults

I'm just guessing you don't have a daughter in college.

All of this in anecdotal. I stick with the hard facts.

Regardless, I didn't claim women aren't raped on colleges. All I said is the true hard data doesn't support that it's an epidemic (relative to the rest of society) nor that colleges are the worst places for young women to be to avoid being raped. You show nothing to support otherwise.

You're exactly right that I don't have a daughter in college, merely a granddaughter at UK in her 4th year. Net, I apologize for thinking I could speak on the issue.

 

[Levibooty]

All of this in anecdotal. I stick with the hard facts.

Regardless, I didn't claim women aren't raped on colleges. All I said is the true hard data doesn't support that it's an epidemic (relative to the rest of society) nor that colleges are the worst places for young women to be to avoid being raped. You show nothing to support otherwise.

You're exactly right that I don't have a daughter in college, merely a granddaughter at UK in her 4th year. Net, I apologize for thinking I could speak on the issue.

Oh come on. If you are that old then you should discuss a topic like an adult instead of an offended teenager. Your saying you are presenting hard facts and I say they are not hard facts, they are just what the people that don't want to actually deal with the issue gather to calm the public. Think Jamius Winston at FSU, guilty or not that was a cluster*** committed by the people charged with protecting the public, a public that is suppose to include young girls.

I do have a daughter that went to UK, she's graduated and I have family members that were raped at college within the past couple of years. I know very well about how skewed the facts you present are, but then my family's experience is just anecdotal also. I have several family members who are in law enforcement who would take issue with you on your premise. The numbers of reported rape are not indicative of how many girls are raped and do not want to go through the second demeaning ordeal of our injustice system. That was very evident in the articles I presented so that you may get a broader glimpse into a world you do not reside.

I do try to remain balanced about this subject though and that is why I do not think Tubman was treated fairly.

 

[dustarm20]

I think you are being a bit narrow-minded with that post. We are having a conversation about the circumstances that affected Loyd Tubman's dismissal. It is your choice to read or not and I think if you had read these posts you would know the conversation turned to Tubman a former Kentucky football player. To me that's more appropriate than talking about what Matt Jones said on Finebaum about North Carolina even if I do agree with him. Way more appropriate than talking about Forrest Trump.

That horse has been beaten to death repeatedly on many UK message boards that PETA may get involved. I just expect a thread to stay on topic. Start a different thread if you want to talk about something else; it's not too difficult. I am not saying you can't talk about, just do under a different thread. Is that too much to expect from an adult?

 

[dustarm20]

Back on topic , I really think Josh Allen has a chance to be pretty good. He just needs to keep adding muscle and maintain his athleticism.