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Josh Dobbs...How hard is it to game plan for him?

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truebluewildcat_rivals34254

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This guy has had career games every time out against us. Scoring through the air and on the ground he has been the difference in all four match up during his career.

I said it earlier in the week in another thread that he could be the difference unless the staff finally put together and executed an effective game plan for him.

Obviously we saw what happened.

His performance yesterday I believe serves as a final notice on the CMS and Elliot defense top to bottom. From overall scheme/philosophy to recruiting, developing, teaching of technique and fundamentals, game planning and execution.

5 total scores from one guy. 223 yds through the air, 147 on the ground. That is unacceptable at this point in the CMS era. Especially since we all knew who this kid was and what he could do. It's not like it was a situation where UT threw in some kid nobody had seen or prepared for.

UT goes as Dobbs goes, has been that way his entire career.

UL is the last chance. If LJ hangs a basketball score, a complete overhaul on the defensive side of the ball is a must.

Things were looking good, but I'm afraid UT really showed where things are really at and going or not going.
 
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Mr Schwump

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truebluewildcat said:
This guy has had career games every time out against us. Scoring through the air and on the ground he has been the difference in all four match up during his career.

I said it earlier in the week in another thread that he could be the difference unless the staff finally put together and executed an effective game plan for him.

Obviously we saw what happened.

His performance yesterday I believe serves as a final notice on the CMS and Elliot defense top to bottom. From overall scheme/philosophy to recruiting, developing, teaching of technique and fundamentals, game planning and execution.

5 total scores from one guy. 223 yds through the air, 147 on the ground. That is unacceptable at this point in the CMS era. Especially since we all knew who this kid was and what he could do. It's not like it was a situation where UT threw in some kid nobody had seen or prepared for.

UT goes as Dobbs goes, has been that way his entire career.

UL is the last chance. If LJ hangs a basketball score, a complete overhaul on the defensive side of the ball is a must.

Things were looking good, but I'm afraid UT really showed where things are really at and going or not going.
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How difficult? If you're UK it's impossible. Dobbs has had a very ordinary year, many UT fans have been screaming for his benching. Along comes UK to make things all cushy for him. I wonder if UK's coaches watch any film?
 
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mrschwump said:
How difficult? If you're UK it's impossible. Dobbs has had a very ordinary year, many UT fans have been screaming for his benching. Along comes UK to make things all cushy for him. I wonder if UK's coaches watch any film?
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You nailed it. In other UT games I've watched Dobbs looked pretty ordinary but against us of course he looks like a Heisman winner.
 
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Its our scheme, which is always wrong!!! We put guys in the wrong positions against these type of quarterbacks and they kill us. Jackson is going to have a field day.
 
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docholiday51

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Each the last three posts are spot on,Dobbs has killed us forever.We made a couple of plays where we threw him for 15 or 20 yard losses but most of the time we seem to lack the discipline to deal with a player like him.

Jackson will score as many times as he wants to do so.because he is better than Dobbs.

Our problem is that we have(at best) 2 or 3 players on the field who can make plays on Dobbs or Jackson like players,if those 2 or 3 get blocked or are out of position we have no chance unless they fall down on their own. About the only time we stop Dobbs is when he stops himself with a mistake.
 
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Biggest problem was the LBs (Courtney Love) overflowing his gap responsibility or just flat out not shedding blocks. Jordan Jones getting injured hurt but it should not hurt that badly to lose 1 player. Love needs to see the bench for the Austin Peay game and let Kash have all the reps.
 
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Calf said:
Biggest problem was the LBs (Courtney Love) overflowing his gap responsibility or just flat out not shedding blocks. Jordan Jones getting injured hurt but it should not hurt that badly to lose 1 player. Love needs to see the bench for the Austin Peay game and let Kash have all the reps.
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It's maddening that he's been doing the same things all season and hasn't gotten better at all yet the coaches keep trotting him out there like something different is going to happen. He's not an SEC caliber LB and never will be.
 
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Mr Schwump

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Calf said:
Biggest problem was the LBs (Courtney Love) overflowing his gap responsibility or just flat out not shedding blocks. Jordan Jones getting injured hurt but it should not hurt that badly to lose 1 player. Love needs to see the bench for the Austin Peay game and let Kash have all the reps.
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I just wonder why Kash and/or Firios aren't seeing more time, that's as perplexing to me moreso than why Love's getting all the PT. If those guys aren't ready they need to be put on the fast track to get ready. There's many, many things wrong with this D but Love not being up to snuff is toward the top of the list.
 
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docholiday51

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mrschwump said:
I just wonder why Kash and/or Firios aren't seeing more time, that's as perplexing to me moreso than why Love's getting all the PT. If those guys aren't ready they need to be put on the fast track to get ready. There's many, many things wrong with this D but Love not being up to snuff is toward the top of the list.
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Surely there are other options that are worth at least a look,if there are not then we are in bad shape.Coaches at every level are guilty of this to some degree,they decide who the starters are going to be and stick with them until they are forced (by injury or some other issue) to change,it doesn't matter what the back-ups do in practice they are still back-ups.

At our local high school we had a kid once who was literally knocking people out in form tackling drills but still couldn't get on the field(other than mop up time),the starter got hurt and they finally had to play him and he never came out of a game after that one start
 
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Mr Schwump

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docholiday51 said:
Surely there are other options that are worth at least a look,if there are not then we are in bad shape.Coaches at every level are guilty of this to some degree,they decide who the starters are going to be and stick with them until they are forced (by injury or some other issue) to change,it doesn't matter what the back-ups do in practice they are still back-ups.

At our local high school we had a kid once who was literally knocking people out in form tackling drills but still couldn't get on the field(other than mop up time),the starter got hurt and they finally had to play him and he never came out of a game after that one start
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They did use Eli Brown a little but he's seriously undersized for the interior. Laster saw some PT earlier in the year but he's hurt, probably done for the year. UT's OL was a patchwork thing, UK should have performed better. That's what was especially disheartening.
 
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KyFaninNC

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docholiday51 said:
Surely there are other options that are worth at least a look,if there are not then we are in bad shape.Coaches at every level are guilty of this to some degree,they decide who the starters are going to be and stick with them until they are forced (by injury or some other issue) to change,it doesn't matter what the back-ups do in practice they are still back-ups.

At our local high school we had a kid once who was literally knocking people out in form tackling drills but still couldn't get on the field(other than mop up time),the starter got hurt and they finally had to play him and he never came out of a game after that one start
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I think that is where coaches like Petrino excell. They are not using tunnel vision, they can spot the type of talent they need and play the guy that can perform up to his potential.
 
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docholiday51

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mrschwump said:
They did use Eli Brown a little but he's seriously undersized for the interior. Laster saw some PT earlier in the year but he's hurt, probably done for the year. UT's OL was a patchwork thing, UK should have performed better. That's what was especially disheartening.
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Agree,when we have as big of an issue on defense as we have think outside the box.Line up Ware at MLB and play Kengera Daniel at DE,give us a different look pressure the LOS and make the offense react,what have we got to lose at this point.
 
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docholiday51

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KyFaninNC said:
I think that is where coaches like Petrino excell. They are not using tunnel vision, they can spot the type of talent they need and play the guy that can perform up to his potential.
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Coaches are like Judges in that once they make a decision they don't want to change because it means their first decision would be seen as wrong. Cal should be a shoo in for the Supreme Court because he is never wrong according to most here:sunglasses:
 
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Mr Schwump

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docholiday51 said:
Agree,when we have as big of an issue on defense as we have think outside the box.Line up Ware at MLB and play Kengera Daniel at DE,give us a different look pressure the LOS and make the offense react,what have we got to lose at this point.
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Don't get me started on Kengera Daniel! Just don't understand how's he been used. As a true freshman last year he saw limited duty in three games...three. This year he started the season on 4 game suspension and now is seeing very limited time again but being forced into action at OLB instead of his more natural SDE because of injuries to K Walker and Laster. Daniel should've been RSed last year but now he's half way thru his career and has played very little football for the position he was recruited. Would love to see them stick him into Alvonte Bell's slot, couldn't possibly be any worse.
 
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Mr Schwump

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OllieVee said:
You are going to have nightmares with either Dormady or Guarantano...
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Can't be worse, Dobbs ran against air vs UK the last 4 years. UK was totally disinterested in defending him hoping instead he'd either fall down or get tired of running.
 
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lex cath

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MudererofCrows said:
It's maddening that he's been doing the same things all season and hasn't gotten better at all yet the coaches keep trotting him out there like something different is going to happen. He's not an SEC caliber LB and never will be.
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I've said all along he's not playing because all the pre season hype from Stoops and isn't willing to swallow his pride
 
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