Junk Time or Not, Rettig is Clearly the Better QB

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DHajekRC84

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Two overshots and a TD against third-stringers. Hand him the Heisman.
doesn't matter who is playing defense..when you can make those passes..and nail Ag that far and that well coming off the bench...you got the arm and skills. period.

he stepped into the throw and did not heave it up falling backwards...

one guy looks the part and the other looks OK but not in the same class. AT A MINIMUM..this is EXACTLY why both should have played.
 

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Too little data. Better arm strength is obvious but 1 quarter against 1 team is just not enough time to tell. What happens in away games? What happens against a different style of defense? What happens when there's pressure to win a game?
 
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I think we now know why Flood never wanted us to see Rettig on the field. The difference is remarkable. Some here may love Flood, I think he put his pride over the best team he could put on the field. He didn't want people to question his judgement... I imagine he will be asked a few questions now.
 

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This offense with Rettig having 7 games would be much more dangerous.

The QB needs to be able to drive the ball downfield in a pro offense. Rettig can do that better.

My position on the matter is even more steadfast. Laviano is a good back up option.
 

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Too little data. Better arm strength is obvious but 1 quarter against 1 team is just not enough time to tell. What happens in away games? What happens against a different style of defense? What happens when there's pressure to win a game?

Well if he isnt allowed to play we will never know....that is the whole pt. let him play
 

Caliknight

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Too little data. Better arm strength is obvious but 1 quarter against 1 team is just not enough time to tell. What happens in away games? What happens against a different style of defense? What happens when there's pressure to win a game?

That's what we all want see.
 
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Interesting contrast in coaching styles as Meyer chose to play both QBs and let the starter emerge vs Flood's approach - which isn't better or worse. I guess Rutgers has different things to play for and OSU would be bowl eligible with heir eyes closed.
 
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DHajekRC84

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Wonder what Flood will ponder as he lay awake tonight ...
let's see ... the announcers marveling at Rettig's arm strength - must be delusional
the pass to Carlton Agudosi was pure luck
the touchdown pass was against the third string so, disregard the result ...

he'll probably just wonder if he got the running back rotation right tonight and didn't miss somebody's turn.
 

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Whether Rettig should start or not, one has to scratch one's head why up to this point Rettig never got into ANY game besides Norfolk St.? If the so-called competition was really that close, there was absolutely NO EXCUSE by Flood to not play Rettig a series or two in every game.

We have a lifer position coach making HC decisions and we know why we are seeing these kinds of results. And those results are eye-popping. Since 2012, Flood has a 2-20 record against teams with a winning record. Enough said.
 

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I happen to totally agree that Rettig should start. But people are making this to be some egregious mistake when it is not it has clearly proven it is very close on who would be better to lead this team.
 
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If you put a QB on the field who has an accurate & powerful arm, the defense has to respect the long ball threat & protect against the deep pass.
If the defense is giving attention to the deep threat, it cannot be as focused on the short plays & the running game has a better chance.
 

RU MAN

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If you put a QB on the field who has an accurate & powerful arm, the defense has to respect the long ball threat & protect against the deep pass.
If the defense is giving attention to the deep threat, it cannot be as focused on the short plays & the running game has a better chance.
It forces the defense to play honest and not put eight in the box. It would open up our running game even more.
 

ruhudsonfan

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The issue is that Laviano is the wrong QB for this system.

The pro set is only successful when you can stretch the field with deep shots off of play action on 1st down and 2nd and manageable. You also need to have a good feel for the TE. Laviano has that, but no ability to stretch the field consistently.

Laviano's skill set is much closer to the prototype West Coast QB than the pro set.

If you're married to this offense, Rettig has to be the QB going forward.

That said, Rettig's accuracy was not very good. I'm willing to chalk it up to adrenaline. But if we're being honest, he sailed at least 3 balls. But he does throw darts and can make throws that Laviano isn't even willing to attempt.
 

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Whether Rettig should start or not, one has to scratch one's head why up to this point Rettig never got into ANY game besides Norfolk St.? If the so-called competition was really that close, there was absolutely NO EXCUSE by Flood to not play Rettig a series or two in every game.

We have a lifer position coach making HC decisions and we know why we are seeing these kinds of results. And those results are eye-popping. Since 2012, Flood has a 2-20 record against teams with a winning record. Enough said.

This is exactly what many of us have been saying since the WSU game. But all of sudden we play MSU well and beat Indiana on a miracle quarter, and posters try to anoint Laviano as the best quarterback in the B1G. I want to see Hayden Rettig play more often. Enough of the season has been spent on constantly developing Laviano and hoping he has more than mediocre arm strength, which won't beat or at times even be competitive with great teams..
 
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Well if he isnt allowed to play we will never know....that is the whole pt. let him play
i'm pretty sure HCKF has a special relationship with CL and the High School i think they both attended...maybe during the recruiting process KF gave assurances...who really knows.
 

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Too little data. Better arm strength is obvious but 1 quarter against 1 team is just not enough time to tell. What happens in away games? What happens against a different style of defense? What happens when there's pressure to win a game?

We will never know unless he gets put in...THATS the rub. But his "upside" of strength and release are obvious..Even Ray Lucas thinks so
 

RU MAN

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The issue is that Laviano is the wrong QB for this system.

The pro set is only successful when you can stretch the field with deep shots off of play action on 1st down and 2nd and manageable. You also need to have a good feel for the TE. Laviano has that, but no ability to stretch the field consistently.

Laviano's skill set is much closer to the prototype West Coast QB than the pro set.

If you're married to this offense, Rettig has to be the QB going forward.

That said, Rettig's accuracy was not very good. I'm willing to chalk it up to adrenaline. But if we're being honest, he sailed at least 3 balls. But he does throw darts and can make throws that Laviano isn't even willing to attempt.
Rettig, was definitely amped up there and that's why those balls sailed on him and had no touch. I agree with your observation regarding Laviano. His talent is more suited to a quick strike west-cost type offense. Personally, I would like to get rid of this stodgy pro-style offense, because it takes quality players along with quality coaches to execute it. It should be left to the NFL and scrapbooks from 1971.

Rutgers will not compete with better teams until they change the offense to create a more even playing field, because the talent gap at the elite level will crush this pro-style offense run predominately by 3 star players with a few 4 star players sprinkled in. There's a reason why an Art Briles can have mediocre classes and compete at the highest level. If however, we have a Dantonio level coach, who can take our recruits (not too far off from M. States) and coach them up (Flood is incapable) the new type hybrid offenses with a much better coach (see Tom Herman) will have RU competing at a higher level within 3 years.
 
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