Just got home from the game... Did we ever figure out how...

[BigMotherTucker]

a deley of game penilty can be declined by UAB or how you can have an illegal sub when our O never huddled? Dont get me started on the phantom facemask.</p>

 

[BigMotherTucker]

a deley of game penilty can be declined by UAB or how you can have an illegal sub when our O never huddled? Dont get me started on the phantom facemask.</p>

 

[BigMotherTucker]

a deley of game penilty can be declined by UAB or how you can have an illegal sub when our O never huddled? Dont get me started on the phantom facemask.</p>

 

[moss818]

Cannot be advanced once it has bounced??? I don't get it!

 

[NorCalDawg]

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[jzahner1]

That facemask call was terrible. I am still mad about that one because they were actually holding our db on that play.

 

[jcdawgman18]

When you call fair catch, it doesn't matter if it bounces or not, when you control it, it's done.

 

[FlabLoser]

Bump was hit twice out of bounds and got hurt both times. The 2nd time, they called it and it. Looked like that time he got speared in the head as well - he spent considerable time on the sidelines bending over and getting looked at.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...he didn't signal for a fair catch. He waved for his blockers to get away from the ball.

 

[jcdawgman18]

Hand was above the shoulder and waved. Gotta be sure not to have the hand up if you don't want the fair catch called on you. Just something he needs to be more careful about.

 

[majors42]

this year. good thing there were no forward progression scenarios this year.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I lost it on the illegal substitution. We never even attempted to huddle.

 

[Villagedawg]

nm

 

[BigMotherTucker]

what am I missing?

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It doesn't happen often but you can do it.

 

[shoeless joe]

and bilbo baggins pissed me off every time he announced the call.

 

[Todd4State]

because it was hard to tell in the stands, but there was one time that I swear that UAB's QB threw a pass beyond the LOS and it didn't get called.

 

[Big Sheep81]

It was very obivious (to Stevie Wonder).......

 

[Mjoelner]

So breaking the huddle with more than 11 players has nothing to do with illegal substitution?

Here are the substitution rules from the NCAA. If we didn't huddle, I don't see any rule that we broke. We had 12 on the field but one was leaving and we hadn't snapped the ball. <font size="1" face="Arial-Black"><font size="1" face="Arial-Black"><p align="left">Legal Substitutions</p></font></font><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><p align="left">ARTICLE 2. A legal substitute may replace a player or fill a player vacancy</p><p align="left">provided none of the following restrictions is violated:</p><p align="left">a. No incoming substitute shall enter the field of play or an end zone while the</p><p align="left">ball is in play (live-ball foul) [S22].</p><p align="left">b. No player, in excess of 11, shall leave the field of play or an end zone while</p><p align="left">the ball is in play (A.R. 3-5-2-I) (live-ball foul) [S22].</p><p align="left">c. An incoming legal substitute must enter the field of play directly from his</p><p align="left">team area, and a substitute, player or departing player must depart at the</p><p align="left">sideline nearest his team area and proceed to his team area. A departing</p><p align="left">player must immediately leave the field of play, including the end zones. A</p><p align="left">departing player who leaves the huddle or his position within three seconds,</p><p align="left">after a substitute becomes a player, is considered to have left immediately.</p><p align="left">Team A may not break its huddle with 12 or more players (A.R. 3-5-2-IIVIII,</p><p align="left">A.R. 9-1-5-V-VII and A.R. 9-2-2-IV) (dead-ball foul) [S7 and S22].</p><p align="left">d. Substitutes who become players must remain in the game for one play and</p><p align="left">replaced players must remain out of the game for one play, except during</p><p align="left">the interval between periods, after a score, or when a timeout is charged to</p></font></font><font size="1" face="ArialMT"><font size="1" face="ArialMT"><p align="left">RULE 3-5 / PERIODS, TIME FACTORS AND SUBSTITUTIONS FR-77</p></font></font><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><p align="left">a team or to the referee with the exception of a live-ball out of bounds or an</p><p align="left">incomplete forward pass (A.R. 3-5-2-VI) (live-ball foul) [S22].</p></font></font><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT"><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT"><p align="left">PENALTY—If the ball is dead: Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7</p><p align="left">and S22]; otherwise, five yards from the previous spot [S22].</p></font></font><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><p align="left">e. While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A is</p><p align="left">prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious</p><p align="left">attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play, the</p><p align="left">game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed</p><p align="left">substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play. Team</p><p align="left">B must react promptly with its substitutes.</p></font></font><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT"><font size="2" face="TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT"><p align="left">PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. Delay of game on Team B for not completing</p><p align="left">its substitutions promptly, or delay of game on Team A</p><p align="left">for causing the play clock to expire. Five yards from the</p><p align="left">succeeding spot [S7 and S21]. The referee will then notify the</p><p align="left">head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in an</p><p align="left">unsportsmanlike conduct foul.</p><p align="left">PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. An official will sound his whistle immediately.</p>

15 yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S27</p></font></font>

 

[perch0]

because it was hard to tell in the stands, but there was one time that I swear that UAB's QB threw a pass beyond the LOS and it didn't get called.

Methinks you are correct.

 

[Todd4State]

I sometimes give benefit of the doubt since I'm in the stands and it's hard to tell sometimes. But after that I was like WTF?

If course, I did that a lot last night. Along with a lot of other people. I wonder what the TV announcers were saying about it, because they were royally screwing up some very easy calls.

Oh, and no one has mentioned the play where we tackled their guy at least a yard behind the first down marker- probably more, and they somehow spot the ball beyond the sticks.

I really think they were on the take. No way they could be that bad and stupid.

 

[Big Sheep81]

The replay was plain as day on the Godzillatron. Just another play typical of that group of slappies last night.

 

[mstatedawgs]

it was a conf usa crew, so who the hell knows what the 17 is going on with them.

its over now, time to move on.

 

[slowpoke3]

UAB's coaches were on the field through most of the game. I'm not talking about a step or two, I'm talking about five or ten yards on the field.

 

[ckDOG]

I'll have to check a replay, but I'm pretty sure Chad's hand never got above chest level. It was a pretty clear "clear out" signal.

However, that still doesn't mean he can advance it. Here's an article written about the topic: http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2009/11/15/1158920/did-arenas-signal-for-a-fair-catch

The rules aren't the easiest to follow. The bottom line is, if you want a chance to return a ball, don't make any signals at all.

ETA: if there was anything the officials got wrong on that one, it was how they described it. I think I recall them stating a "fair catch" signal was made, therefore the ball could not be advanced. Well, the ball couldn't be advanced, but technically a fair catch was never called. So they got that part wrong. Regardless, it's the same outcome. This is all assuming that Chad didn't have a separate hand signal he displayed earlier in the play before I saw the "clear out" motion which I assume was the only signals he displayed during the play. If there was an earlier clear fair catch signal called, ignore what I just said...

 

[falzaergo]

if it is below the waste it is an illegal fair catch signal and a penalty. You can't wave your arms around to call off your blockers.

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=6187.0

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[MeridianDog]

I was screaming at my wife as he threw it. We were directly across from him on the 50 watching. I had already decided he was going to run it and then he threw he ball. Was obvious to me.

 

[BeerandWings01]

Obviously you didn't watch the Auburn v LSU game because Chizik declined a delay of game penalty before LSU punted.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

You can't signal anything and advance a punt. = no beef (I was wondering about this one myself but I understand now)

You can decline presnap penalties happens quite often when a team wants to give his punter more room to punt = No Beef and if you mention it again I will think of you as someone that has never actually watched football.

Missed late hit on Bumphis = BEEF He was a yard out of bounds for a step or two and official was right there! What's up with that?

Caoches on field? I didn't see this but if all they had to do was give a warning but apparently they don't care about that in Conf USA = Beef

Crossing line of scrimmage to throw the ball? If any part of your body has not crossed the line then it is deemed that you haven't crossed line. If any part of his back foot was still on the line and the ball was two yards past then it was still legal to throw it. I know that is sounds crazy but that is the rule the way I understand it. I saw an instant replay last year with Eli in the Pro game addressing this issue so I am making a leap here that it is the same in college. Having said that, I didn't see the plays very well beause my seats aren't exactly on the 50, heck they aren't even on the 10. I am against the wall in the higher part of Section G.

I got pissed over the holding calls but you can go to almost every game and half will be missed on that infraction.

 

[Woofster]

In my one shot at the tron, I think the tackler pulled the blocker out of the way with the facemask

Oh, and you can refuse any penalty or distance.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

I was traviling to/ at our game. The few snaps of that game I saw was on the Jumbotron.</p>

 

[BigMotherTucker]

You can decline presnap penalties happens quite often when a team wants to give his punter more room to punt = No Beef and if you mention it again I will think of you as someone that has never actually watched football.

Sooo... Because Ive never seen a coach turn down a delay of game = Ive never actually watched football???

Way to come off as a dickhead

/Jackass

 

[tossedoff]

a second class crew from a second class conference.

 

[patdog]

You've always been able to decline illegal formation, delay of game, and defensive offsides. I have no idea why you can't decline illegal motion, but that's just the way it is.</p>

 

[o_Hot Rock]

You can decline presnap penalties happens quite often when a team wants to give his punter more room to punt = No Beef and if you mention it again I will think of you as someone that has never actually watched football.

Sooo... Because Ive never seen a coach turn down a delay of game = Ive never actually watched football???

Way to come off as a dickhead

/Jackass

It happens about 20 times a weekend. Just saying. Jackass? Yeah, I was in the mood to be one, it's easy on the internet when you don't get a beer bottle busted across your face. Later, I have to sleep now. Got work tomorrow.

 

[Houdini.sixpack]

That was actually not a valid fair catch signal. Chad gave a "getaway sign" or "peter" which is not a valid fair catch signal which he should have been able to advance it.

 

[ckDOG]

I'd like to read it...

 

[TheStateUofMS]

a deley of game penilty can be declined by UAB or how you can have an illegal sub when our O never huddled? Dont get me started on the <span style="font-weight: bold;">phantom facemask.</span></p>

About the facemask:</p>

1)There were two officials blowing the play dead on either side of the play on the sidelines and they didn't see it.</p>

2)Chris White had his back to the field of play where the official was standing who made the call.</p>

3)It would be impossible for that official who threw the flag to have seen a facemask unless he has X-ray vision.</p>

4)Chris White is our smartest football player. I doubt he would make a facemask on a dude who was already about to go out of bounds and had two other teammates already assisting on the tackle.</p>

There was no logic behind that call whatsoever.
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[8dog]

why don't teams just do that instead of taking a delay of game when they want more room?

 

[ckDOG]

If you snapped it and the refs missed it or the snap was bad and you turned it over, you'd be 17ed. I think?