Just how important are the Gran and Hinshaw hires to the football program?
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I'd say they're essentially the exact same as every other hire UK football has made in the last 60 years. They have a couple of guys that are apparently good at what they do. Now, can they either 1) help recruit elite level players to make UK competitive in the SEC, or 2) win in the SEC with a bunch of guys that the other league schools either didn't want or didn't prioritize. Typically, UK coaches go 0-2 and end up being fired.
At this point, I just hope UK gets lucky and finds some coaches that can develop players. For example, maybe one of these new coaches will teach UK quarterbacks that throwing a football at mach speed on a short crossing route isn't really the touch needed for that particular pass (LOL).
GBB!!!
At this point, I just hope UK gets lucky and finds some coaches that can develop players. For example, maybe one of these new coaches will teach UK quarterbacks that throwing a football at mach speed on a short crossing route isn't really the touch needed for that particular pass (LOL).
GBB!!!
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1. Stoops has to hit a homerun like Brooks did with Joker/Sanders/Heggins taking over for Hudson/Dunn type of results. Sanders was a huge piece as he developed Woodson who I think was the biggest pieces of what Brooks did. We have to have a coach to slow down and develop Barker...we really missed a chance to develop a talented kid in Towles...if Barker doesn't develop inside of 1.5 years...it's all over for Stoops.
2. Personally, I wish they went ahead and cut bait with Schlarman as well...but we'll see if Schlarman was a problem or the scheme around his OL units.
In the end, I'm not a fan at all of the scheme Gran is bringing to UK in the SEC. I think a scheme of non running QBs in the spread/air raid scheme isn't a great idea at UK....but we'll see how it pans out. At minimum, Gran/Hinshaw are upgrades over Dawson by a long shot IMO and Mainord I'm not sure about. But getting better coaches is always a positive and I think UK has done that in Gran/Hinshaw.
2. Personally, I wish they went ahead and cut bait with Schlarman as well...but we'll see if Schlarman was a problem or the scheme around his OL units.
In the end, I'm not a fan at all of the scheme Gran is bringing to UK in the SEC. I think a scheme of non running QBs in the spread/air raid scheme isn't a great idea at UK....but we'll see how it pans out. At minimum, Gran/Hinshaw are upgrades over Dawson by a long shot IMO and Mainord I'm not sure about. But getting better coaches is always a positive and I think UK has done that in Gran/Hinshaw.
there's still an issue to me that I have not heard addressed very much, and that is how terrible we have faded in the second half of the season in all of stoops years. I get we are playing tougher teams and over the course of the season you get injuries etc, yet I feel your team should be showing improvement, we seem to get worse.
You have touched on something I was a bit hesitant to bring up, i.e., recruiting. Unprecedented recruiting success has been recognized as the high point of the Stoops era so far. If we acknowledge that these coaches are "good at what they do" and there is improvement in performance on the field, all is good. However, after acknowledging the coaching is good, and there is not improvement in performance on the field, doesn't that mean the talent level was not as good as expected? Speaking in generalities of course. Injuries for example (see Baylor) can create some clear exceptions.
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I believe it is a couple of terrific hires, Gran is a proven Offensive mind, and Hinshaw is as well. Now whether we have the personel to execute their system remains to be seen.
One thing I do know for a fact, the Spring game in April just picked up about 5,000 to 10,000 more attendees !
One thing I do know for a fact, the Spring game in April just picked up about 5,000 to 10,000 more attendees !
I dont really understand questions like this, as the answers or impossible at this time. I hope they turn out to be the most important hires in Uk history, but the same people telling you how great they are said the same about Brown and Dawson...time will tell...theres no point in worrying about it.vv
Gran and Hinshaw have a very good work history in SEC football,something neither Brown or Dawson had!
Should know something after the first game. If they are worth their salt, we should beat Southern Miss. I'd already counted that game as a loss before they were hired.
Imo brown did a very good job with what he had to work with..He played 4 freshman with a first year qb and scored enough points to win both the ms st and ga games..should have won the fl and ul game in there house as well!!! You can bwt your house he would have won 8 games if he was the oc this year,maybe more!
Oh, the musings of a defeated, disheartened and fed up fan base who no longer believe UK can win in football regardless who is on the coaching staff. The lunatic fringe has already gone over the edge. The believers are blasted as nearing dementia or worse. It's all doom and gloom from posters who swear they wouldn't be caught dead near CWS. Yet, when UK begins to win, the same posters will proclaim it will never last. For the rest of us, we will stay behind the team and enjoy the trip down the Glory Road.
This may be a job saving hire by Stoops. If we had even an average offense last yr then we win 6 or 7 regular season games. But in reality the lack of an offense has made Stoops' seat warm.
Clearly Dawson didn't fit Stoops' need for flexibility. Dawson was rigid in not utilizing the mobility of Towles, not maximizing the strength of the offense which was the RBs, and getting too cute near the goal line. Gran is the opposite of this. Gran prides himself on using whatever talent he has. If the QB is mobile, he's gonna run him. If the OL can't block, he's gonna nickel and dime down the field. If the RBs are good, he's gonna run it.
I think Gran runs a system that's incredibly UK friendly. UK doesn't have the ability like Bama to recruit cookie-cutter studs every yr. We have to use an offense that is very flexible to the personnel we have. We likely won't be able to go toe-toe to big boys and smash our way through......which means using more of a spread approach. Gran runs a flexible spread, which is probably one of the better options for UKs program.
Now is this hire big for the UK program overall? No way to tell. If it saves Stoops' job, and if Stoops becomes our Bowden or Paterno, then it absolutely is a monster, program changing hire. If Stoops flops and is fired, the hire will just go down on top of the pile of all UKs other failed hires.
Clearly Dawson didn't fit Stoops' need for flexibility. Dawson was rigid in not utilizing the mobility of Towles, not maximizing the strength of the offense which was the RBs, and getting too cute near the goal line. Gran is the opposite of this. Gran prides himself on using whatever talent he has. If the QB is mobile, he's gonna run him. If the OL can't block, he's gonna nickel and dime down the field. If the RBs are good, he's gonna run it.
I think Gran runs a system that's incredibly UK friendly. UK doesn't have the ability like Bama to recruit cookie-cutter studs every yr. We have to use an offense that is very flexible to the personnel we have. We likely won't be able to go toe-toe to big boys and smash our way through......which means using more of a spread approach. Gran runs a flexible spread, which is probably one of the better options for UKs program.
Now is this hire big for the UK program overall? No way to tell. If it saves Stoops' job, and if Stoops becomes our Bowden or Paterno, then it absolutely is a monster, program changing hire. If Stoops flops and is fired, the hire will just go down on top of the pile of all UKs other failed hires.
Stoops is already 'saved' for the 2016 season. It's the end of the 2017 season when Stoops gets the best or worst performance review.
agreed. he needs to show improvement and make a bowl to have anyone at the games in '17 but he'll be the coach for 2 more years guaranteed.
The better the talent, the better the coach. I know Sparty got annihilated last night by Bammer, but we need to take the same approach as them in regards to redshirting and stockpiling DL/OL. I know that is unlikely in today's climate, but that is the only way we can ever be competitive in the SEC at the line of scrimmage. A la Missouri.......
I take that despite UK's apparent improved recruiting under Stoops that most are still "a bunch of guys that the other league schools either didn't want or didn't prioritize" IYO? Thanks.
Besides Marrow, they're probably the best two hires he's made. I wanted both when he was hired originally.
In the six games comprising the second half of each of Stoops' three seasons, his record is 2-16. I suspect that Gran jumped on board with his assistant thinking that the'll have a shot at the the job following next year's season. Stoops' will be on the hottest of seats next year (with no bowl in sight).
Their are 2 different guys were looking at one the Juco guy and another that's in HS. Their has been another mentioned as well for 2017 think he was from Maryland??
Could be, but the thing to bare in mind is Gran has a lot of past experience coaching in the SEC so he knows what it takes to be successful. I think he is skilled enough to design an offense that will work for us based on the talent we have here, and it may not be exactly what they ran at Cincy.
Gran's first year at UC he utilized the a TE because he had a good one. The last two years, not so much as their strength was in the WR corps. In addition, he did utilize the QB run game quite a bit earlier this year until the position was hit by injuries.
I see both hires as being great for our program. I don't see Gran bowing to Stoops like 1 poster suggested. Gran has more experience than Stoops does.Hinshaw should be a good addition as QB coach. Gran & Hinshaw work well together. Love the hires. We will see major improvements for 2016. getting 6 wins , with some breaks, i can see it happening.
