Just rewatched the game. The missed fumble first half...

[DerHntr]

Could have changed the game drastically. We would have gotten the ball on their 29 yard line. Instead we got it on our 20 after they missed a field goal. If they make the field goal, all things else being equal we lose the game on our missed field goal at the end of regulation.

How in the hell does our staff and the booth refs miss this? It is totally unacceptable.

 

[SLUdog]

The interception we missed was worse.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Could have changed the game drastically. We would have gotten the ball on their 29 yard line. Instead we got it on our 20 after they missed a field goal. If they make the field goal, all things else being equal we lose the game on our missed field goal at the end of regulation.

How in the hell does our staff and the booth refs miss this? It is totally unacceptable.

You absolutely CANNOT miss that if you are our coaching staff in the booth. That's the kind of **** that feels like it only happens to us. Luckily we overcame it and won, but as you said, it could have been the difference in a win and loss.

I'm just glad Ole Miss didn't care, so we were able to get the W anyway*

 

[skb124]

Agree with you, but what the heck was the replay official doing? He missed 3 crucial calls in that game. If you are even a little bit unsure about a call you gotta review it.

 

[DerHntr]

The interception we missed was worse.

Not really. The fumble had 100% proof with multiple angles shown. There is absolutely no doubt it was a fumble. The interception was bad but at least very slightly debatable. The ball looked like it partially touched the ground. I still think it too would have been called an interception.

 

[DerHntr]

Agree with you, but what the heck was the replay official doing? He missed 3 crucial calls in that game. If you are even a little bit unsure about a call you gotta review it.

His *** should be put on probation (no sarcasterics).

 

[fishwater99]

I agree. Two times we should have challenged. More proof we need better coaches.

 

[skb124]

Yea, fire Dan**

 

[kired]

I haven't watched the replay - just on the jumbotron. But I never saw the fumble watching it in person.

If I remember correctly, they showed one replay at the game so that's all the coaching staff on the field got to see. Do coaches in the booth have TVs?

It's really on the officials to not miss crap. The one challenge by Mullen - there was a replay in the jumbotron and in the background is the head official staring directly at the WRs knee on the ground, but he didn't blow the play dead and let him pick up another 5 yards... forcing Mullen to challenge it.

 

[FlyMaroon]

My issue with replay is that not much has changed since we were getting hosed pre-replay. Instead of plays being reviewed for accuracy immediately, it seems the replay guys are watching the same feed as us at home. 5 different HD angles and a direct hotline to the ref and it takes 30 seconds to set a review in motion? NFL refs have replay reviews down to a science at light speed.

 

[FlotownDawg]

Every play is supposed to be reviewed in college football. At least that's what I hear on TV all the time. You hardly ever see a coach challenge a call because it's not necessary, the replay booth always buzzes down to review it before the coach needs to challenge. Unless you are Mississippi State. Then the replay official doesn't review jack ****. Mullen challenged once and should have challenged two other times. That is ridiculous. I've never seen a coach even need to challenge twice in a game, much less three times. There is no reason the replay official shouldn't have buzzed the ref on the field and reviewed the fumble and interception. The replay official should seriously be reprimanded.

 

[DAWG61]

Mullen should of called timeout both times. Had he both plays would of been reviewed. Mullen needs to seek some advice or help with timeouts during the offseason. He is just brutally bad with timeouts. Always has been. We've been burned in many a game from Mullenouts.

 

[Chesusdog]

We get it. Now shut the **** up.

 

[coach66]

Totally agree we got hosed. We usually can't overcome

That kind of adversity.

 

[DawgAudit]

I disagree. Mullen shouldn't have to burn a timeout to get the review official to do his damn job.

 

[Drebin]

I disagree. Mullen shouldn't have to burn a timeout to get the review official to do his damn job.

That's the whole purpose of replay. Officials miss stuff. That's why there's a process for review. If the review is successful, he gets his timeout back.

I'm not piling on and bashing Dan. But that is an area that he has to do a better job. Let's stop bashing the officials when we can do a better job of overcoming those things ourselves.

 

[fishwater99]

Or what?

I guess you want to meet at the South Farm now...

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

It's not the worst non-challenge of Mullen's career.

That goes to the fourth down pass against Houston in 2009 when they said Lee was past the line of scrimmage when he passed when clearly he was not. We would have won that game and gone to a bowl if that challenge was made.

 

[Philly Dawg]

One problem on the interception....

the player did not sell it at all. If anything, he acted like he did not catch it.

 

[Philly Dawg]

Agreed. Just an abysmal call by the referee, horribly botched. We should have challenged.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

We'd used our last challenge to determine that 4th down was in fact 5th down***

 

[dawgless]

That's the whole purpose of replay. Officials miss stuff. That's why there's a process for review. If the review is successful, he gets his timeout back.

I'm not piling on and bashing Dan. But that is an area that he has to do a better job. Let's stop bashing the officials when we can do a better job of overcoming those things ourselves.

From the NCAA Rule book:
"If a head coach’s challenge is successful, he retains the challenge, which he may
use only once more during the game. Thus, a coach may have a total of
two challenges if and only if his initial challenge is successful."

He couldn't have challenged both calls, even if he wanted to. One had been used on the challenge of the spot of the ball. Given that the next one would be the last, I would have left it to the replay official on both of those calls, and saved my challenge in case I needed it late in the game. The fumble probably would not have been overturned as there was no clear evidence who recovered the fumble in "immediate action" after the fumble, as the rule requires. The interception was on third down, and we were getting the ball anyway, so the value of the challenge is reduced. Saving it, seems to make the most sense.

 

[The Peeper]

The Richie Brown interception/fumble would have given us the ball on their 6, thats even bigger to me....

 

[MedDawg]

The Richie Brown interception/fumble would have given us the ball on their 6, thats even bigger to me....

But the refs made the correct call on that one, right? I thought Richie Brown did actually fumble it and OM did actually recover it for a new set of downs. If not, then that would have been the biggest missed call.

 

[patdog]

College challenge rules are 17ed up. A coach should get as many challenges as you have time outs remaining. And they should only review calls if there is a challenge. Too much time is wasted reviewing pretty obvious calls and/or calls that have little impact on the game.

 

[Chesusdog]

The Richie Brown interception/fumble would have given us the ball on their 6, thats even bigger to me....

Wallace threw another pick a few plays later and we punched that one in.

 

[Palos verdes]

^^^^THIS^^^^^^ That non-review cost us from going bowling in Mullen's first year. Tyson Lee released the ball before he reached the line of scrimmage. We had a lot of momentum on that drive and would have scored. The outcome changes if it had been reviewed.

 

[maroonmania]

But the refs made the correct call on that one, right? I thought Richie Brown did actually fumble it and OM did actually recover it for a new set of downs. If not, then that would have been the biggest missed call.

Yes, the correct call was made there. Haven't rewatched the game but they showed that one multiple times on the jumbotron during the review. Just a really good heads up play by Treadwell to strip Brown from the ball and then recover it.

 

[drt7891]

That call was ruled correctly.

 

[Dawgzilla]

The problem with that fumble is you cannot tell who got the ball. I know, MSU guys eventually came up with the ball, but you can't really tell whether Mathers got his hands on it first. The only way MSU gets the ball is if the defense gained immediate possession. The refs on the field didn't see the fumble, so they didn't rule which team got possession, and the replay official couldn't tell, so I'm not sure if MSU would have gotten the ball.

Still, I'm surprised they didn't stop play for a more thorough review.

 

[maroonmania]

the replay booth always buzzes down to review it before the coach needs to challenge. Unless you are Mississippi State.

Truer words have never been spoken. That's why its hard to get too down on Dan about it because you shouldn't have be deciding on the sidelines as a HC whether to challenge or not anywhere close to as often as Mullen has to. You have to remember, as I understand it, if you challenge as a HC and lose the challenge you can't challenge anything else the rest of the game.

 

[FlyMaroon]

the player did not sell it at all. If anything, he acted like he did not catch it.

I think you're onto something here. Coach all our guys to sell any questionable interception WWE-style. Body language speaks volumes with these refs. If we think we snag one, jump around and parade your way to the sideline ball in hand so everyone can see. It puts pressure on the refs to disagree and instantly puts the play under a microscope, thus ensuring a review or at least a solid ref pow-wow. Announcers and fans get on board-->we win-->Sugar Bowlz-->$$$-->10 yrs we're Bama! *optimism*

 

[DAWG61]

Truer words have never been spoken. That's why its hard to get too down on Dan about it because you shouldn't have be deciding on the sidelines as a HC whether to challenge or not anywhere close to as often as Mullen has to. You have to remember, as I understand it, if you challenge as a HC and lose the challenge you can't challenge anything else the rest of the game.

Dan doesn't have to use the challenge. Just simply call a timeout. The booth doesn't have enough time to buzz for a review when Hugh Freezus is sprinting the offense to snap the ball. If Dan calls a timeout the booth will then review the play.

 

[FirstPoetsThenSunDoggy]

I actually thought it ended up helping us slightly

Ole Miss still came up empty. We still got the ball back. I thought it was good for us that they end up wasting their best possession. Our offense wasn't exactly lighting it up, so a little extra time on the sideline may have been a positive.

I'm still amazed that the officials and our coaching staff missed two obvious turnovers in one game. I haven't seen anything like it since replay came in. I can't explain it except that football is a fast moving game.