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Thorndike2021

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Stop recruiting pro-style QBs!

Was that Anthony Morelli, Christian Hackenburg, or Drew out there on Saturday night? Big chunks of Wonderbread with massive arms. Yippee!

I think Michael Robinson, or Trace, or maybe even Daryll Clark win that game.

Discuss.
 

Alphalion75

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Stop recruiting pro-style QBs!

Was that Anthony Morelli, Christian Hackenburg, or Drew out there on Saturday night? Big chunks of Wonderbread with massive arms. Yippee!

I think Michael Robinson, or Trace, or maybe even Daryll Clark win that game.

Discuss.
Wow......3 of my all time favorite QBs. They certainly are a different type of athlete than Drew etc. But most of all.....they were tremendous leaders, exuding confidence and fearless. Those guys imposed their will on the offense.
 

BCS PSU

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Stop recruiting pro-style QBs!

Was that Anthony Morelli, Christian Hackenburg, or Drew out there on Saturday night? Big chunks of Wonderbread with massive arms. Yippee!

I think Michael Robinson, or Trace, or maybe even Daryll Clark win that game.

Discuss.
How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.
 
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KingLando

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How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.
This...well said. Moore would transfer in 30 seconds if he had to run our offense.
 
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BobPSU92

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How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.

But we need EXPLOSIVE. PLAYS. o_O by playing COMPLEMENTARY. FOOTBALL. o_O to ensure that we win the MIDDLE. EIGHT. o_O .
 

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How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.
Moore ended up with 10 carries on the game with many on 3rd or 4th down where he ended up picking up the 1st down and extending the drive.
 

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Moore ended up with 10 carries on the game with many on 3rd or 4th down where he ended up picking up the 1st down and extending the drive.
I understand, but Moore isn’t there to be a glorified running back or to do what Pribula was asked to do for much of last season. I believe that he’s 6 feet 3 and he’s going to be a traditional qb when he goes to the NFL, and he basically ran a pro style offense on Saturday.
 

Thorndike2021

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You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.
We are not disagreeing with each other. Regardless of the intent, the system does not seem to synch up well with these 'pro-style' QBs we're bringing in, or their skill set isn't synching with the 'system'. Either way it isn't working.
 
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Stop recruiting pro-style QBs!

Was that Anthony Morelli, Christian Hackenburg, or Drew out there on Saturday night? Big chunks of Wonderbread with massive arms. Yippee!

I think Michael Robinson, or Trace, or maybe even Daryll Clark win that game.

Discuss.
Maybe Daryll Clark? He's the best QB PSU has had since... Daryll Clark! Love Trace, but I'd take Daryll any day.
 

MacNit

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Stop recruiting pro-style QBs!

Was that Anthony Morelli, Christian Hackenburg, or Drew out there on Saturday night? Big chunks of Wonderbread with massive arms. Yippee!

I think Michael Robinson, or Trace, or maybe even Daryll Clark win that game.

Discuss.
Daryll Clark was the best a QB of the three.
 
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How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.

Big difference between Moore and Allar is the amount of time that elapses between the snap and the ball being released from the QBs hand. I would say Moore averaged about 2 seconds (and never more than 3 seconds) on his throws - Drew is in the pocket for an eternity before he makes a decision and gets the ball out. Most great QBs make their first read as soon as the ball is snapped based on the actual coverage the Primary Route gets. If the defense blitzes, there is usually a "hot read" that becomes the primary target (the "hot read" is usually the eligible receiver who the blitzing CB, Safety or LB is lined up across from... - when the blitzer comes, the QB should look to immediately throw to that eligible receiver usually on a quick slant. Moore and Oregon switched to the "hot read" repeatedly for positive yardage - you never see Allar get the ball out quickly to the "hot read". You just never see it - in fact you never see him get the ball out quickly period.). At least late in the game, Drew took off with the ball after a couple seconds where he couldn't find anyone -- this was far better than sitting in the pocket for 4 or 5 seconds (sometimes longer) and just not making any decisions.
 
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But we need EXPLOSIVE. PLAYS. o_O by playing COMPLEMENTARY. FOOTBALL. o_O to ensure that we win the MIDDLE. EIGHT. o_O .
This shiite is getting old. Asked early on in Franklin's tenure what we thought of his coaching, we always answered he is a great recruiter and seems to be getting the pieces in place but in game coaching is yet to be proven. Guess what, in game coaching, game planning, has not gotten better over the past 10-11 years. I really want Franklin to be successful but we are seeing over and over again he doesn't seem to be trying to figure out ways of getting from pretty good to great/elite.
 

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Big difference between Moore and Allar is the amount of time that elapses between the snap and the ball being released from the QBs hand. I would say Moore averaged about 2 seconds (and never more than 3 seconds) on his throws - Drew is in the pocket for an eternity before he makes a decision and gets the ball out. Most great QBs make their first read as soon as the ball is snapped based on the actual coverage the Primary Route gets. If the defense blitzes, there is usually a "hot read" that becomes the primary target (the "hot read" is usually the eligible receiver who the blitzing CB, Safety or LB is lined up across from... - when the blitzer comes, the QB should look to immediately throw to that eligible receiver usually on a quick slant. Moore and Oregon switched to the "hot read" repeatedly for positive yardage - you never see Allar get the ball out quickly to the "hot read". You just never see it - in fact you never see him get the ball out quickly period.). At least late in the game, Drew took off with the ball after a couple seconds where he couldn't find anyone -- this was far better than sitting in the pocket for 4 or 5 seconds (sometimes longer) and just not making any decisions.
I agree. From what I see, our passing routes take too long to develop, and also Allar does take too long to process what is open and how quickly he needs to throw the pass.

I just was thinking this morning that in three of the last five games that meant anything (Oregon Big 10 Championship, SMU, Boise, ND and Oregon 2025), Allar threw an Int to effectively end the game. That's ridiculous.
 

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This shiite is getting old. Asked early on in Franklin's tenure what we thought of his coaching, we always answered he is a great recruiter and seems to be getting the pieces in place but in game coaching is yet to be proven. Guess what, in game coaching, game planning, has not gotten better over the past 10-11 years. I really want Franklin to be successful but we are seeing over and over again he doesn't seem to be trying to figure out ways of getting from pretty good to great/elite.
Finally time for the last of the straggler fanboys to give up the ghost. If 11 years is not enough time, what is? 15? 20?

Let’s not kid ourselves, if Sandy negotiated even a bad extension, Franklin would have been shown the door long ago. Seems like a good guy (many folks are), but not getting the job done.
 

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Allar is horrible.
The QB coach is horrible.
The Head Coach is horrible.
The OC is horrible.
Singleton is horrible.
The offensive line is horrible.
The receivers are horrible.
The defense let us down.

And we took one of the top teams in the country to double OT.

Imagine how good we could be if we didn't suck, up and down the organization?
 
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If Franklin wants to run this offense than I agree. Allar can win but PSU needs the right offense for his game. I really don't like offenses that try to be "tricky." Be fundamentally sound and success generally occurs.

There are still basically 9 routes that pass catchers run and route combos are made from those.
 

Moogy

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Finally time for the last of the straggler fanboys to give up the ghost. If 11 years is not enough time, what is? 15? 20?

Let’s not kid ourselves, if Sandy negotiated even a bad extension, Franklin would have been shown the door long ago. Seems like a good guy (many folks are), but not getting the job done.

After the previous regime burnt the program to the ground, we deserve better than a top 5/10 program in the nation.
 

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Allar is horrible.
The QB coach is horrible.
The Head Coach is horrible.
The OC is horrible.
Singleton is horrible.
The offensive line is horrible.
The receivers are horrible.
The defense let us down.

And we took one of the top teams in the country to double OT.

Imagine how good we could be if we didn't suck, up and down the organization?
The trouble is that if OSU had played their normal game against that Oregon team in a night game at Ohio Stadium, they probably would've beaten them. That's a good to very good Oregon team, but I don't think that they're as good as they were last season, especially at this point.
 

PSUForever

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How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.
What is our offense now? What do we do well? What should we be doing?
 

BCS PSU

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What is our offense now? What do we do well? What should we be doing?
Well, I'm a two back person, but I know that that's become so 1980s. What I would do is get Allar under center, have the o-line line up with wider gaps to create natural running lanes and have them use their size to their advantage and eliminate the complex blocking schemes, run mostly Allen in between the tackles and possibly use a tight end as a blocking back, throw quick passes to Singleton out of the backfield, run pass patterns for receivers that put them in position to run after the catch and don't require a lot of time (with these patterns, the ball should be out in less than 5 seconds if even that), use the middle of the field with tight ends, and establish a screen game. As I've said, I'd also reduce the play book significantly (how ridiculous is that Allar has to look at a wristband before every play; if he has to do that, you're making it unnessarily complex).
 

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Finally time for the last of the straggler fanboys to give up the ghost. If 11 years is not enough time, what is? 15? 20?

Let’s not kid ourselves, if Sandy negotiated even a bad extension, Franklin would have been shown the door long ago. Seems like a good guy (many folks are), but not getting the job done.
The buyout is the problem. Krafty is decisive and I am sure big money boosters are murmuring or chattering but he is still owed about $60 million.

I think we are at a critical juncture. It starts with this season which is not looking good. If we fail to make the playoffs or bow out with a typical Franklin flop against a good team in the first rd then I think his clock is ticking. Maybe the beginning of the end. Some would say the beginning of the end has already started but I think you need to see how this year plays out.

He has the benefit of this ridiculously bloated contract so that is buying him time. However, when you look at how we have recruited since '23 and '24 the classes are all around #15. That is not elite meaning we will not have many elite guys on the roster starting next year. Maybe that is okay because the elite guys this year are not really bringing it. My overall point is we won't be as talented as this year for the next three years. Therefore I think we need to make a deep playoff run at least once if not twice in the next 4 years as in the semis or better otherwise he could be gone. But I think he has 4 years if not more (5 possibly 6?) because of the contract.

Back to this year. If we continue to have this fail on offense I think Franklin cleans house (again) with the offensive coaches. I can see AK, Hagans and O'Brien all gone. Maybe he doesn't do all of that but at least Hagans and O'Brien. Although I don't know how AK keeps his job given Franklin's propensity to can OCs. Plus he would need to make a "big" move to show Krafty he is doing something.

Then what do we do? Franklin is not going to change. We have Grunk for next year. Perhaps we get a new OC and he makes the assessment that Grunk is not the right fit and we go get a portal QB. I don't think that happens. At this point we are in this bad cycle of lousy offense so fire OC after 2 years. Bring in shiny new object but just rinse and repeat same old same old all the while continue to lose every big game. Eventually Franklin will be shown the door but we need to suffer first until his contract buyout gets smaller.
 
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The buyout is the problem. Krafty is decisive and I am sure big money boosters are murmuring or chattering but he is still owed about $60 million.

I think we are at a critical juncture. It starts with this season which is not looking good. If we fail to make the playoffs or bow out with a typical Franklin flop against a good team in the first rd then I think his clock is ticking. Maybe the beginning of the end. Some would say the beginning of the end has already started but I think you need to see how this year plays out.

He has the benefit of this ridiculously bloated contract so that is buying him time. However, when you look at how we have recruited since '23 and '24 the classes are all around #15. That is not elite meaning we will not have many elite guys on the roster starting next year. Maybe that is okay because the elite guys this year are not really bringing it. My overall point is we won't be as talented as this year for the next three years. Therefore I think we need to make a deep playoff run at least once if not twice in the next 4 years as in the semis or better otherwise he could be gone. But I think he has 4 years if not more (5 possibly 6?) because of the contract.

Back to this year. If we continue to have this fail on offense I think Franklin cleans house (again) with the offensive coaches. I can see AK, Hagans and O'Brien all gone. Maybe he doesn't do all of that but at least Hagans and O'Brien. Although I don't know how AK keeps his job given Franklin's propensity to can OCs. Plus he would need to make a "big" move to show Krafty he is doing something.

Then what do we do? Franklin is not going to change. We have Grunk for next year. Perhaps we get a new OC and he makes the assessment that Grunk is not the right fit and we go get a portal QB. I don't think that happens. At this point we are in this bad cycle of lousy offense so fire OC after 2 years. Bring in shiny new object but just rinse and repeat same old same old all the while continue to lose every big game. Eventually Franklin will be shown the door but we need to suffer first until his contract buyout gets smaller.
No way Franklin gets 5 or 6 years like this, buyout be damned. If Kraft is to be believed, and he is "ALL IN" on winning championships in football, then Franklin is on the clock now. I'm telling you, Kraft can't possibly listen to a chorus of "Fire Franklin" in Beaver stadium for the next 5 years, impossible. If we lose to Iowa when the team returns to the Beave, that stadium is going to be a morgue. The fanbase has already conceded OSU is an impossibility(rightfully), so that Indiana game at home is the new inflection point. Franklin loses to Indiana and he will not have Kraft's protection much longer.
 

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I understand, but Moore isn’t there to be a glorified running back or to do what Pribula was asked to do for much of last season. I believe that he’s 6 feet 3 and he’s going to be a traditional qb when he goes to the NFL, and he basically ran a pro style offense on Saturday.
He ran a, my first start away, dont mess it up offense. Short quick passes that psu was willing to give.
His composure was excellent
 
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razpsu

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Allar is horrible.
The QB coach is horrible.
The Head Coach is horrible.
The OC is horrible.
Singleton is horrible.
The offensive line is horrible.
The receivers are horrible.
The defense let us down.

And we took one of the top teams in the country to double OT.

Imagine how good we could be if we didn't suck, up and down the organization?
Defense was awesome!!
 

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How many times did Moore run on Saturday? He basically handed the ball off and completed short passes to the flat. How many times.has Carson Beck run this season for Miami? He basically runs an old-fashioned power running offense which PSU should be running. I also haven’t seen OSU’s qb run much, and he was great at Washington last week. Allar probably has more rushing yards than all of those QBs.

You can win with drop back passers. You just have to run an offense that suits them, which the brain dead offensive coaches at PSU aren’t doing.
Moore didn’t run much, but he was mobile enough to get outside the pocket and make plays. Several times he was chased from the pocket but was able to extend the play, find an open receiver, and move the sticks. A few of those plays were backbreaking for us. That’s not a run, but it’s a play that a running QB makes. Allar can’t usually do that.

Drew can throw a good ball on the run, he’s just not quick enough to get away from the defense. When the pocket breaks down he is often tripping over his own feet or collapsing under a defensive player.
 
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Lion84

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Allar is horrible.
The QB coach is horrible.
The Head Coach is horrible.
The OC is horrible.
Singleton is horrible.
The offensive line is horrible.
The receivers are horrible.
The defense let us down.

And we took one of the top teams in the country to double OT.

Imagine how good we could be if we didn't suck, up and down the organization?
We are a good team that doesn't seem to be able to get over the hump to be a great/elite team - I guess many are tired of being also ran's but we should be careful of what we wish for - not that many good teams got great after firing their coach thinking it would ne an upgrade.
 

razpsu

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Maybe franklin and Ak adjust after this. Maybe they wake up and say the offense Against good teams, osu, Oregon, notre dame sucked. So now they change it like Michigan did and kick some ***. Maybe!!
 

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Maybe franklin and Ak adjust after this. Maybe they wake up and say the offense Against good teams, osu, Oregon, notre dame sucked. So now they change it like Michigan did and kick some ***. Maybe!!

So ... we're going to cheat?
 
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