Just when you think you've seen it all

[GloryDawg]

All I know is that WR is not a huge priority for us this year due to the depth we have at that position. We are looking at taking one, maybe two WRs, and Bumphis isn't high on the WR priority list for sure due to lack of size.

Nutt is lazy and not a good recruiter as I have said before and he knows that he might have to work a little to get him. Ole Miss will be 3 and 8 in four years. You can book that now. Nut is a horrible recruiter and players will not come to Ole Miss just because it is Ole Miss like they did Arkansas.

 

[olemissbydamn]

First off, you might want to leave out the whole 2 star/4 star bit since that whole rating system business is a bunch of ********. In fact, I have it on good authority that Neat is about to become a better player overnight when he gets bumped to a 3 star in the next few days. That'll be important, because I know he's autmoatically a better player the minute they give him that extra star.

I never said stars mattered. I was just pointing out how flawed your thinking was. 4 star 50 miles from Oxford , that everyone agrees is a solid football player and then you have a 2 star from Florida with similar ability. You don't find it odd in your way of thinking that the guy from Florida is more of a priority than the recruit that's only 50 miles away? Basically, I'm saying Bumphis never really was that interested in Ole Miss and Nutt and Co. moved on to Neat. That's how recruiting goes. I mean Patterson was a priority for us, but after he decommitted, Croom and Co. moved on. It wasn't because Croom didn't want him. It was because Croom didn't think he could sway him back to Msu.

I think Nutt is putting together a solid recruiting class no matter what the stars say. And no Bumphis is not going to make or break y'alls class. But to say Bumphis was not a priority or that y'all would probably take him is asinine.

I am not here to be a "rebel defender". I'd like to have Bumpis due to his versitility. The fact that he could play special teams, RB, WR, QB, and punter could be huge.

The things you say above are true and false.

Saying that Bumpis should be a bigger priority due to proximity is incorrect. That be like saying Alex Carpenter who was from Corinth should have been a priority for Ole Miss in 2006 over Dexter McCluster who was from Largo, FLorida. After all, Carpenter is from right up the road and was rated higher at RB than Dexter. Same goes for Bama signing Terry grant from MS who was higher rated than Dexter, but lower than Carpenter. In hindsight, the lowest rated RB of the three (who happen to come from the farthest distance) was the best player of the bunch.

The part you got right is that our coaches early on realized that Bumpis wasn't that interested in Ole Miss and moved on. The staff had similarly evaluated players on their list and moved on to the ones who had serious interest in OM. It wasn't that he didn't fit some mold. It was that he wasn't fast enough. It wasn't his size, etc. It was simply the fact that some kids don't want to go to OM or sometimes MSU. Bumpis was one of these guys.

Personally, I think he set his sights high on Florida and Alabama early on. I think he likes the fame at Bama. I think he likes the idea of being a big fish in a little pond at MSU. I think playing early at MSU is a major attraction as someone said earlier. He just doesn't like OM. I'm fine with that. There are enough players to go around.

 

[DovaDawg]

There are 2 MS WR ahead of Bumphis, 2 Florida WR, and a JUCO WR ahead of Bumphis at the WR slot. I don't think its much of a secret that Pat Patterson is their top MS WR. I think he'll commit to Ole Miss either at the Army AA game or his visit. I doubt it is any time other than those two slots.

We all know that McCready said he thought Patterson was sooooo close to committing the other night. Do you not find it strange that he is saying Patterson is so close, but yet Patterson himself and all of the other recruits are talking about Patterson at MSU? He has drawn the line by saying that Patterson is going to Ole Miss and when that does not occure, we will hear the standard story of how something funny went down when McCready has been wrong the whole time.

 

[Your Dawgness]

Bumphis is coming , bank it ...................................Bumphis = Wild Dingo

 

[olemissbydamn]

There are 2 MS WR ahead of Bumphis, 2 Florida WR, and a JUCO WR ahead of Bumphis at the WR slot. I don't think its much of a secret that Pat Patterson is their top MS WR. I think he'll commit to Ole Miss either at the Army AA game or his visit. I doubt it is any time other than those two slots.

We all know that McCready said he thought Patterson was sooooo close to committing the other night. Do you not find it strange that he is saying Patterson is so close, but yet Patterson himself and all of the other recruits are talking about Patterson at MSU? He has drawn the line by saying that Patterson is going to Ole Miss and when that does not occure, we will hear the standard story of how something funny went down when McCready has been wrong the whole time.

If you said that about Yancy, I'd agree. Actually there is a thread on nafoom now discussing how Yancy twist ****.

Neal is a pretty solid. He is an educated writer and has integrity.

Maybe it's out there, but every article I've read on Patterson indicates that MSU is out of it....just like OM is out on Bumpis.

Let's be honest...if yall get Bumpis, you will be happy. If we get Patterson or Norwood, we will be happy.

The recruiting smack is getting !**$$$% stupid.

 

[GloryDawg]

The part you got right is that our coaches early on realized that Bumpis wasn't that interested in Ole Miss and moved on.

That is why you recruit! To get them interested into going to your school. Nutt is lazy! He will go after the easy guys, having the feeling he had at Arkansas where players came because it was Arkansas, not understanding that he is at Ole Miss now.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

and that is not even a good pic of her.

 

[Dawgfan61]

That he doesn't follow recruiting, but hates Robert Elliot and wishes his knees would explode...

The only reason for any Ole Miss fan to hate Robert Elliot is because they DO FOLLOW RECRUITING...

 

[olemissbydamn]

The part you got right is that our coaches early on realized that Bumpis wasn't that interested in Ole Miss and moved on.

That is why you recruit! To get them interested into going to your school. Nutt is lazy! He will go after the easy guys, having the feeling he had at Arkansas where players came because it was Arkansas, not understanding that he is at Ole Miss now.

He has recruited Bumpis. However, at some point I'd rather my coach cut his losses by moving on. It is pointless to spend a ton of time and money recruiting a guy who isn't that interested when there are equally talented guys who are interested.

At this point, I'm perfectly content with his approach.

If you need to make yourself feel better about your own situation by saying this....then by all means, carry on. Mullen will get you guys some good players and Nutt will get our team some good players.

In a few years we can fight over the mythical recruiting trophy of 2008. I think the rational shaved fans here will agree.

 

[Mahoney.sixpack]

we wanted him. you (apparently) got him. we recruited 2 fillers. DONE. all this recrootin' babble is pointless until these guys sign or break a 50 yarder in the egg bowl.

look we understand, recrootin' and looking towards the future is all MSU football has these days. been there done that. its just funny that in only a years time the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[VanillaFace]

considering I don't read rivals, and my info didn't come from yancy or Neal. I've been saying since early last week that Bumphis and Thames will sign with MSU, and Ole Miss will sign Pat Patterson. So far, I'M batting 100% on Bumphis and Thames. I expect to continue that trend with Patterson.

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

yuku

 

[DovaDawg]

Neal is a pretty solid. He is an educated writer and has integrity.

Maybe it's out there, but every article I've read on Patterson indicates that MSU is out of it....just like OM is out on Bumpis.

Let's be honest...if yall get Bumpis, you will be happy. If we get Patterson or Norwood, we will be happy.

The recruiting smack is getting #**%#*% stupid.

Patterson CL 12/11/08:

"Since they got a new head coach in and he ran the spread offense a lot, I'm going to give him a good look," Patterson said. "It makes me think maybe I could go there. The way he ran things at Florida makes me think maybe I could fit in with their offense.

"We (Russell, Bumphis and Patterson) have talked about going to the same school, but we haven't decided on a school yet. We are looking at State together."

Fletcher Cox 12/15/08:

"I am enjoying the process, but I am still committed to Mississippi State," said Cox. "I am going to sign with State no matter what happens. I am talking to Chad (Bumphis), Dennis (Thames) and Pat Patterson about coming to State with all of us, Tracey Lampley too."

I am not saying that Ole Miss will not get Patterson, but I feel it is far from over. If Mullen gives him the call, I would expect this one to come down to the wire. The main thing I see that could hurt us is that Mullen has not contacted him and it may bruise his ego that he was not a first call.

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

dubmass.

 

[muddawgs33]

I am not here to be a "rebel defender". I'd like to have Bumpis due to his versitility. The fact that he could play special teams, RB, WR, QB, and punter could be huge.

The things you say above are true and false.

Saying that Bumpis should be a bigger priority due to proximity is incorrect. That be like saying Alex Carpenter who was from Corinth should have been a priority for Ole Miss in 2006 over Dexter McCluster who was from Largo, FLorida. After all, Carpenter is from right up the road and was rated higher at RB than Dexter. Same goes for Bama signing Terry grant from MS who was higher rated than Dexter, but lower than Carpenter. In hindsight, the lowest rated RB of the three (who happen to come from the farthest distance) was the best player of the bunch.

I think comparing Carpenter or Grant to McCluster is like comparing apples to oranges here. McCluster came in as a Wr/Scatback. Grant was recruited as a running back and Carpenter was recruited as a WR. McCluster was definitely more flexible than the other 2. Matter of fact, Carpenter and McCluster are nothing alike as far as what they could do on the football field. </p>

Now, Bumphis and Neats games are alot alike. They both are similar in size and both are speedy guys. Bumphis played more receiver than Neat, but both can catch and run with the ball and both have similar moves on the field. If Bumphis and Neat were nothing alike, then yeah I would agree that proximity would not factor in, but they are alot alike, so it wouldn't make sense to go to Florida if you can get the guy down the street. This is why I said Nutt cut his losses and moved on down the recruiting board. I'm not saying Bumphis will be a better football player than Neat either. I don't think Nutt would have moved on as easily, if he didn't think Neat was a similar type football player. I just think it's stupid for Rebels to say Bumphis wasn't a priority or that he was way down the list, because he wasn't ever really interested in Ole Miss.

I think both State and Ole Miss are putting together very solid classes. Both have some questionable recruits, but both have some very solid recruits. As for Bruisers "stars don't matter concept", I agree and I disagree. I don't think a 2 star is an automatic crap recruit and a 4 star is going to be a great player, but I do know that 3 and 4 stars turn out to be better football players the majority of the time over 2 stars. You sure as hell don't want a full class of 2 stars ala Croom and expect to win football games. To me, a 3 star and 4 star are no different talent or potential wise. Basically, one went to a bigger school or went to more combines or camps to get noticed. That's why I don't get into which school has a better class, because I think both schools have a good quantity of 3 and 4 stars and both have solid classes. </p>

 

[VanillaFace]

that he'd be going to Alabama?

 

[VanillaFace]

"thank you for agreeing with me, whether I'm right or not."

 

[olemissbydamn]

I am not here to be a "rebel defender". I'd like to have Bumpis due to his versitility. The fact that he could play special teams, RB, WR, QB, and punter could be huge. It's apples to oranges if you are using what we know now in 2008. In 2006 when they were recruited, it wasn't.

Saying that Bumpis should be a bigger priority due to proximity is incorrect. That be like saying Alex Carpenter who was from Corinth should have been a priority for Ole Miss in 2006 over Dexter McCluster who was from Largo, FLorida. After all, Carpenter is from right up the road and was rated higher at RB than Dexter. Same goes for Bama signing Terry grant from MS who was higher rated than Dexter, but lower than Carpenter. In hindsight, the lowest rated RB of the three (who happen to come from the farthest distance) was the best player of the bunch.

I think comparing Carpenter or Grant to McCluster is like comparing apples to oranges here. McCluster came in as a Wr/Scatback. Grant was recruited as a running back and Carpenter was recruited as a WR. McCluster was definitely more flexible than the other 2. Matter of fact, Carpenter and McCluster are nothing alike as far as what they could do on the football field.</p>

I agree with most of what you say, but let me backup what I said before.

Carpenter and McCluster both played QB & RB in HS and were both listed as RBs on Scout. Both were signed as WRs. That's what I was basing the above on. It's apples to oranges if you are using what we know now in 2008. In 2006 when they were recruited, it wasn't.

I see your point and agree that what they do on the field is nothing alike. However, when they were recruited, us fans had no idea. All we had to go on was the fact that they were rated as RBs. It wasn't until people saw Dexter in the Memphis game that they knew he was special. Until then, he and Carpenter were similar. And in hindsight, I'd still rather have the guy from South Florida than the guy from up the road who was rated higher.

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

The truth is not hard to see, even for a sheep like yourself. Or even me.

 

[VanillaFace]

Neat was the #1 candidate on the board for the WildRebel, ahead of Bumphis, despite his 2* ranking. This is the Ole Miss coaches' board.

Bumphis is a good player, and the coaches like him. However, and I know this is hard for you to understand, the coaches have 3 players rated ahead of him at WildRebel on THEIR personal board...and 3 or 4 WR (two of them MS WR) ahead of him on their board.

And as I've said over and over, none of this is from Yancy.

 

[I am Al Czervik]

we really wanted him. He was on our top 4 list for the all-purpose back. He is an exciting player and just down the road. Would have been a great pick-up. However, Nutt does things different than the Recrootinator and some of our folks still haven't been properly detoxed. The reason he is now down to MSU and Bama (and it will be MSU b/c is suspect Bama will fill their spot too as he dallies) is because Sunday night Vaughn called him and told him it's been fun, but you no longer have a committable offer. The reason for the call was we have now filled our all-purpose back spots with equally evaluated talents. So yes, we wanted him and recruited him. We just didn't wait on him. Happens all the time.

 

[DiamondReb]

I invite you to actually watch the guy on video before you say he just runs a 4.5. Bumphis is quick but he doesn't have a chance of keeping up with this guy in a race. This guy has blazing speed. And again just watch the film.

</a><a href="http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/Korvic-Neat-Highlights-1-41071?done=true">http://rivals.yahoo.com/v...hlights-1-41071?done=true

Again, we are looking to take probably 2 more WR and Patterson, Norwood and Eric Williams (from Miami) are all ahead of Bumphis to the coaches. This comes from both sites.

Don't get me wrong Bumphis is a great athlete and will excel under Mullen and I would rather have him than Montez Phillips and Terrel Grant but that's not going to happen. I think some it to the coaches probably is the guys listed above are more receptive to Ole Miss. Obviously Bumphis likes Mullen a lot and would a near impossible pull even if he was our number 1 guy. The point some Ole Miss posters are making is that it's not going to kill us to not get him.

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

dubmass

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

I know, I know, MSU can only get a player that Alabama and mighty Ole Miss don't want. Sell that **** somewhere else.

Everybody is holding a spot for Bumphis. He may not be as big of a priority now because of the new guy, but if he wanted to go to Ole Miss, Nutt would have taken him. Bumphis gave you the cold shoulder, so Nutt went in a different direction. That's how it is, whether you like it or not. You did NOT take Bumphis's offer away. He just basically said no thanks.

Many big name players wait until the end of the process. If you can't handle it don't recruit with the big boys.

 

[I am Al Czervik]

Read what I said. Yes we wanted him. But I trust my source on this. His offer was one of the many that is thrown out each year to talented players in-State. He chose not to take it before we filled up at his position. I have not talked to him personally so he may have been in the Maroon fold all along. I don't know. He may have been waiting for just the right time to tell us no thanks. He may have been holding out for an official visit. But I do believe this: we told him Sunday that he does not have an opportunity to go to Ole Miss anymore as long as Korvic Neat, Rodney Scott and Desmond Washington remain fully committed to coming to Ole Miss. If you have evidence otherwise get one of the janitors there at the facility to help you articulate a response. And to you and no other on this board: 45-0.

 

[GloryDawg]

Read what I said. Yes we wanted him. But I trust my source on this. His offer was one of the many that is thrown out each year to talented players in-State. He chose not to take it before we filled up at his position. I have not talked to him personally so he may have been in the Maroon fold all along. I don't know. He may have been waiting for just the right time to tell us no thanks. He may have been holding out for an official visit. But I do believe this: we told him Sunday that he does not have an opportunity to go to Ole Miss anymore as long as Korvic Neat, Rodney Scott and Desmond Washington remain fully committed to coming to Ole Miss. If you have evidence otherwise get one of the janitors there at the facility to help you articulate a response. And to you and no other on this board: 45-0.

</a><a href="http://www.sailinganarchy.com/general/2002/cool_test.htm">http://www.sailinganarchy...eneral/2002/cool_test.htm

 

[GloryDawg]

The part you got right is that our coaches early on realized that Bumpis wasn't that interested in Ole Miss and moved on.

That is why you recruit! To get them interested into going to your school. Nutt is lazy! He will go after the easy guys, having the feeling he had at Arkansas where players came because it was Arkansas, not understanding that he is at Ole Miss now.

He has recruited Bumpis. However, at some point I'd rather my coach cut his losses by moving on. It is pointless to spend a ton of time and money recruiting a guy who isn't that interested when there are equally talented guys who are interested.

At this point, I'm perfectly content with his approach.

If you need to make yourself feel better about your own situation by saying this....then by all means, carry on. Mullen will get you guys some good players and Nutt will get our team some good players.

In a few years we can fight over the mythical recruiting trophy of 2008. I think the rational shaved fans here will agree.

I point to the current talent situation at Arkansas for my proof!

 

[RebelBruiser]

The part you got right is that our coaches early on realized that Bumpis wasn't that interested in Ole Miss and moved on.

That is why you recruit! To get them interested into going to your school. Nutt is lazy! He will go after the easy guys, having the feeling he had at Arkansas where players came because it was Arkansas, not understanding that he is at Ole Miss now.

He has recruited Bumpis. However, at some point I'd rather my coach cut his losses by moving on. It is pointless to spend a ton of time and money recruiting a guy who isn't that interested when there are equally talented guys who are interested.

At this point, I'm perfectly content with his approach.

If you need to make yourself feel better about your own situation by saying this....then by all means, carry on. Mullen will get you guys some good players and Nutt will get our team some good players.

In a few years we can fight over the mythical recruiting trophy of 2008. I think the rational shaved fans here will agree.

I point to the current talent situation at Arkansas for my proof!

Well, what about the talent situation at Arkansas in 2006 and 2007? Or do you have some other explanation for why they were so good those years. By the way, on the coaches All-SEC team this year, Ole Miss had 5, Arkansas had 4. On the AP All-SEC team, Arkansas had 5, Ole Miss had 4. So I don't think there was quite as big of a talent deficiency at Arkansas as many would have you believe.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I know, I know, MSU can only get a player that Alabama and mighty Ole Miss don't want. Sell that **** somewhere else.

Everybody is holding a spot for Bumphis. He may not be as big of a priority now because of the new guy, but if he wanted to go to Ole Miss, Nutt would have taken him. Bumphis gave you the cold shoulder, so Nutt went in a different direction. That's how it is, whether you like it or not. You did NOT take Bumphis's offer away. He just basically said no thanks.

Many big name players wait until the end of the process. If you can't handle it don't recruit with the big boys.

Just curious Goat, but do you occasionally have lunch with Houston Nutt, are you good friends with the family or maybe our other coaches, or are you just full of crap?

Otherwise, I don't know how you could say for sure what we did or did not do with regard to Bumphis. I can speculate on what is happening, but outside of that I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what a coach or school is doing. Apparently though, you have some sort of ESP that allows you to know exactly what every coach is thinking. You might want to let Mullen know about this. I'm sure it would be a useful skill to have on the sidelines during a game.

 

[VanillaFace]

If you can't handle it don't recruit with the big boys.

Surely you aren't referencing MSU with this comment, are you?

MSU is as much a "big boy" as Ole Miss is.

 

[GloryDawg]

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

but in all honesty, it's not hard to see what's going on if you look beyond whatever color glasses you have on. It's not hard to see that Bumphis just didn't really want to go to Ole Miss. It's not hard to see that Fletcher Cox is looking hard at Alabama. It's not hard to see that Pat Patterson was rethinking his MSU commitment. It's not hard to see that Jamariey Atterbury wanted to go to Ole Miss.

I don't listen to any one recruitnik. I look at the whole picture. Common sense plus the interviews can tell you what's going on. Your bias and mine bleed through from time to time, and that's OK too. It is a message board, after all.

 

[GloryDawg]

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Well, what about the talent situation at Arkansas in 2006 and 2007? Or do you have some other explanation for why they were so good those years. By the way, on the coaches All-SEC team this year, Ole Miss had 5, Arkansas had 4. On the AP All-SEC team, Arkansas had 5, Ole Miss had 4. So I don't think there was quite as big of a talent deficiency at Arkansas as many would have you believe.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Obviously you don't know many Razorback fans, they are passionate about Arkansas and 90% of the entire state feels the same way. In my current possition with my company I work with many of them and they all say the same thing about Nutt. What talent he got any coach would have gotten atArkansas. He is lazy and after your Coach O talent is gone he will be gone. Maybe he was not so lazy when he first got there but after a few years of not having to recruit that hard he became lazy. Why do you think he was disliked by so many Arkansas fans?

They knew he was lazy. He has the pick of talent from the entire state of Arkansas and he never won the SEC. How in the world do you think he is going to win it at Ole Miss?

It is simple. He will not. Like I said on another thread, Book it. Ole Miss will be 3 and 9 with in four years.</p>