K Successor

If Coach K were retiring immediately and you could hand pick his successor..


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GAAP_rivals

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Since Geno is used to coaching women, he'd be a much better fit at UNC-CH.

 

Anon1728003274

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No use for the man...Heck he's badmouthed the mens game anyway in the past....I think Stevens has far more class. If its a Stevens-Capel horserace I cast lot w/Brad only because of more success over time as a head coach. He'll surround himself w/folks like K has who can recruit well too...

I am not dismissing Jeff AT ALL! Think he's grown up a lot under K's wing and he has another tenure as head coach coming, perhaps in Durham...
 

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Doc Rivers. He has a connection to the program, he'd install an exciting up-tempo system and he would be appealing to one-and-done's looking to make it to the Draft lottery. With Rivers' experience, he could steer them in the right direction during the Draft process. If the Clippers win the NBA title before K retires, Rivers would be a tremendous choice.
 
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Doc has no recruiting experience. There are too many good choices who are proven at the college level for us to make a "creative" choice.
 

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Neither did Avery Johnson. Larry Brown spent more than 20 years away from the college game when SMU hired him. Their record this year isn't too shabby. Think the recruiting environment changed a little for Brown compared to when he coached Kansas in 1988? The Duke name recruits itself. Plus, Doc would have at least four experienced recruiters on his staff. He's a better choice than Capel, Collins, Wojo, Dawkins, Amaker, Snyder and Hurley -- he's more experienced than any of them. He's on par with Stevens and Brey.
 
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KoubekFF

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Why do you have to be proven at the college level, anyway? If you can coach in the NBA, you can coach at any level. Neither Donovan, nor Hoiberg had any experience as an NBA head coach before this season.
 
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Lots of good points being thrown around here. The AD, and likely K, will ultimately make the call. Curious, who was responsible for hiring K?

Edit-Butters with a nudge from the assistant AD, my dad reminded me. Cool story apparently.
 
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Dattier

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Neither did Avery Johnson. Larry Brown spent more than 20 years away from the college game when SMU hired him. Their record this year isn't too shabby. Think the recruiting environment changed a little for Brown compared to when he coached Kansas in 1988? The Duke name recruits itself. Plus, Doc would have at least four experienced recruiters on his staff. He's a better choice than Capel, Collins, Wojo, Dawkins, Amaker, Snyder and Hurley -- he's more experienced than any of them. He's on par with Stevens and Brey.
Johnson and Brown are at Bama and SMU, the former of whom is in 12th place in the SEC, and the latter of whom is banned from postseason play. Why would you think those examples supported your case?

And you're no longer offering an interesting darkhorse candidate; you're now claiming he's a better choice than most others, and tied for the best, essentially. You're moving from "unusual" to "crazy."
 

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Why do you have to be proven at the college level, anyway? If you can coach in the NBA, you can coach at any level. Neither Donovan, nor Hoiberg had any experience as an NBA head coach before this season.
It doesn't necessarily work both ways, nor is it guaranteed to work either way. In the pros, you're working with grown men, professionals. At the end of the day they go home to their families. In college, you recruit endlessly, and you're basically a second father to your players, managing their academics and off-court behavior. When was the last time a pro coach was fired because several players got in trouble with the law?
 

KoubekFF

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It doesn't necessarily work both ways, nor is it guaranteed to work either way. In the pros, you're working with grown men, professionals. At the end of the day they go home to their families. In college, you recruit endlessly, and you're basically a second father to your players, managing their academics and off-court behavior. When was the last time a pro coach was fired because several players got in trouble with the law?

Mike Dunleavy was fired by Portland in the early 2000s in large part because Paul Allen grew sick of the national media mocking the franchise by referring to them as the "Jail Blazers."
 

KoubekFF

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Johnson and Brown are at Bama and SMU, the former of whom is in 12th place in the SEC, and the latter of whom is banned from postseason play. Why would you think those examples supported your case?

And you're no longer offering an interesting darkhorse candidate; you're now claiming he's a better choice than most others, and tied for the best, essentially. You're moving from "unusual" to "crazy."

Go through the list. Dawkins is a better candidate? What's his conference record in the PAC-12 over the last seven years? How about Amaker? How many times did he go to the NCAA tournament at Seton Hall and Michigan combined? You probably think Capel is a slam dunk choice. When Capel was at OU, how many times did he finish higher than fourth in the Big 12 over a span of five seasons? Would you hire Snyder over Doc given all the speculation of his behavior at Mizzou? The others just started their head coaching careers. It's not as crazy of a choice as you think.
 
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I think Capel is already in his most valuable role. I'd boost his pay and change his title to whatever he wants, but would not want him on top. I'm just glad to not have to make this decision. I'd just let K pick. His insight is unique.
 

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Oh, Dunleavy, Sr in the early 2000s? Cool story. It doesn't actually qualify as rebutting my point when you have a single example and ignore the rest. And I'm still not sure you get the most basic point that success in one level doesn't necessarily mean you're well suited for another.

Who even remotely suggested Snyder was a viable candidate? The only slam dunk I see here is digging in deeper when people like you can't handle that their out-of-the-box suggestion isn't given a standing ovation and start going from creative possibility to over zealousness.
 

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I must admit I like the Doc Rivers idea...However I would not be enamored with the thought of the younger Austin on the staff someday...JMO on a possible scenario with a Doc hire...
 

KoubekFF

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Oh, Dunleavy, Sr in the early 2000s? Cool story. It doesn't actually qualify as rebutting my point when you have a single example and ignore the rest. And I'm still not sure you get the most basic point that success in one level doesn't necessarily mean you're well suited for another.

Who even remotely suggested Snyder was a viable candidate? The only slam dunk I see here is digging in deeper when people like you can't handle that their out-of-the-box suggestion isn't given a standing ovation and start going from creative possibility to over zealousness.

From a pure coaching standpoint, what makes Dawkins, Capel or Amaker a better choice than Doc given their respective coaching records? No one is perfect, even Brad Stevens went to the CBI with Butler in 2012. Rivers was fired after failing to get the Magic out of the first round in each of his four seasons in Orlando. But he's won an NBA Championship and has been named NBA Coach of the Year while guiding a mediocre team. I think his coaching resume is more impressive than the aforementioned trio and he has a leg up on Hurley, Wojo and Collins since they lack head coaching experience.

I completely get your point that a perennial winner in the NBA might not be as successful in the college ranks. It's a valid one.
 
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From a pure coaching standpoint, what makes Dawkins, Capel or Amaker a better choice than Doc given their respective coaching records?
For starters, the fact that their respective coaching records have nothing to do with each other wrt any meaningful comparison makes your very question irrelevant.

Why Doc Rivers? Why not Dell Curry b/c he had a son play at Duke and he's in NC and his other son is the reigning NBA MVP and his wife is so photogenic? Why not a co-coaching tandem of Marco Rubio and John Kasich b/c they'd totally dominate recruiting in Ohio and Florida?
 
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I voted for Capel, but I thought I would throw two more names out there, just for comments, as long as we don't have any games to talk about: Mark Few and Jay Wright.
OFC
 
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Leave John Reik alone. You know nothing about him, where he came from. what he's been through, or how he's doing now. He's a person; not a joke.
OFC
 

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I thought we were still recruiting him. Isn't he what we would call a banger. OFC
 

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After leaving the Lake Michigan Admirals in 2014, Riek played for the Lansing Capitals, who went bankrupt. He then had a stint with the Harlem Ambassadors, but that's where I lost him. PR guy from Lake Michigan said he was a "really nice guy" but had a noticeable deformity in his leg(s), like it looked like the thigh was bent.
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After leaving the Lake Michigan Admirals in 2014, Riek played for the Lansing Capitals, who went bankrupt. He then had a stint with the Harlem Ambassadors, but that's where I lost him. PR guy from Lake Michigan said he was a "really nice guy" but had a noticeable deformity in his leg(s), like it looked like the thigh was bent.
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Does this mean he's not coming to Duke? :confused: OFC
 

LetsGoDukies

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J Will chimes in on Twitter....

@RealJayWilliams

Huge shows to fill. Not sure about that one

In reply to....

Byron Smith @byron_smith24
@RealJayWilliams who do you think will be the next coach at Duke once Coach K retires? #Lifeisnotanaccident
 

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Why do people automatically assume that Stevens would just up and leave the NBA to come back to college? That's not a knock on our program at all. I just find it interesting that Stevens would leave the Celtics, where he's currently building a team around young talent, to follow in the big footsteps of Coach K. Why leave a storied organization at the professional level to take on the pressure of replacing arguably the greatest college coach of all time?

For me, I'd rather have Coach Capel. He won't need a refresher course on the college game and recruiting.
 

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I don't think anybody is assuming that he would come to Duke and I personally doubt he would. But the poll topic stated "if you could hand pick K's successor" in which case it wouldn't be Brad's decision haha! Too bad we aren't at liberty to hand pick who we want :)
 

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Why do people automatically assume that Stevens would just up and leave the NBA to come back to college? That's not a knock on our program at all. I just find it interesting that Stevens would leave the Celtics, where he's currently building a team around young talent, to follow in the big footsteps of Coach K. Why leave a storied organization at the professional level to take on the pressure of replacing arguably the greatest college coach of all time?

For me, I'd rather have Coach Capel. He won't need a refresher course on the college game and recruiting.

I do think Stevens would be interested, and at the very least would listen to the pitch if Duke wanted to talk with him. The Celtics job is one of the best in basketball, but so is the job at Duke. I think when schools like Duke, UNC and UK call you at least answer the phone.

It's no different than K in 2004. I know many people think he wasn't seriously considering the Lakers job, but the truth is, he did. This was 12 years ago, at a time when K had won three national championships and been to 10 Final Four's.....and it was the Los Angeles Lakers, with Kobe Bryant in his prime and Coach K still in his mid-50s. What else did K have to prove at the college level?

But alas, ultimately he made the right call (as we see it) to stay here.
 

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I don't think anybody is assuming that he would come to Duke and I personally doubt he would. But the poll topic stated "if you could hand pick K's successor" in which case it wouldn't be Brad's decision haha! Too bad we aren't at liberty to hand pick who we want :)

Correct. That is definitely THE question when it comes to Stevens "would he even leave Boston?" But if he and Caple were the final two after extensive interviews, I'm going with Stevens. JMO
 
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It's no different than K in 2004. I know many people think he wasn't seriously considering the Lakers job, but the truth is, he did. This was 12 years ago, at a time when K had won three national championships and been to 10 Final Four's.....and it was the Los Angeles Lakers, with Kobe Bryant in his prime and Coach K still in his mid-50s. What else did K have to prove at the college level?
Summer of my Sophomore year after Duke. I remember being on edge thinking he would leave. Actually knew the guy that wrote the letter to him. Never thanked Andrew enough for writing that.
 

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Correct. That is definitely THE question when it comes to Stevens "would he even leave Boston?" But if he and Caple were the final two after extensive interviews, I'm going with Stevens. JMO

Despite not sitting in on either of the interviews.
 
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