I get the point people are trying to make about not wanting to be happy people lost their job. But it is OK to be happy about that sometimes. A crooked cop. A horrible politician. A racist anything. If someone has done some things to indicate they aren't "a good person," I'm not going to be sad if they suffer some misfortune. I, for one, would be happy to see Beadle lose her job because I feel like the comment she made about Grayson would have easily justified that move in the moment. If someone is just bad at the job (Walton for example), that's another thing.
Karma coming back on ESPN
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The layoff were going to happen regardless of what I say/think, and if they gotta go I hope it is the ones I like the least.
Here's an idea.... Get off your oversensitive high horse! If you don't like differing viewpoints, maybe the internet just isn't for you?
How can you possibly take joy in seeing another man suffering. Brice Johnson has a family, and he busted his a$$ to win a championship and you "loved" seeing that?
See how silly that sounds now.....
Pretty tough reach here to equate a journalist who does not look at your team as glowingly as a bunch fans to a crooked cop or racist
You do you buddy but it doesn't stop me from thinking you're an immature jackass for taking joy in a person you have never met losing their job.
I used extreme examples to make the point - that sometimes it's pretty easy to see where you'd like to see someone lose their job. I wasn't trying to equate them. Here are some less extreme, more closely related, examples:
A cashier that suggests a customer be punched.
A teacher that suggests a student be punched.
A coach that suggests an opposing player be punched.
Should any of these folks be fired? If you were one of the people it was suggested should be punched, would you feel the same way?
Examples of the known liberal bias at ESPN is easy, surprised this is a new revelation to you. Take a look around the internet. Hell, even ESPN personalities talk about it. Sage Steele being let go and Curt Schilling are a few examples. Or, maybe read this article sited below with excerpts below as well:
"Prominent ESPN figures are admitting there’s a problem with the politics. Highly-respected anchorman Bob Ley recently said about ESPN, that”the one place we have miles to go is diversity of thought” while ESPN Public Editor Jim Brady confessed in a letter on its website last December: “Internally, there’s a feeling among many staffers — both liberal and conservative — that the company’s perceived move leftward has had a stifling effect on discourse inside the company and has affected its public-facing products. Consumers have sensed that same leftward movement, alienating some.”
"There have also been concrete actions that have created a perception that ESPN has chosen a political side, such as awarding Caitlyn Jenner the Arthur Ashe Courage Award at the 2015 ESPYS despite her not having competed athletically for decades, the company’s decision to move a golf tournament away from a club owned by presidential candidate Donald Trump and a perceived inequity in how punishments for controversial statements were meted out."
"Many ESPN employees I talked to -- including liberals and conservatives, most of whom preferred to speak on background -- worry that the company’s politics have become a little too obvious, empowering those who feel as if they’re in line with the company’s position and driving underground those who don’t."
“If you’re a Republican or conservative, you feel the need to talk in whispers,” one conservative ESPN employee said. “There’s even a fear of putting Fox News on a TV [in the office].”
http://www.espn.com/blog/ombudsman/...espn-dealing-with-changing-political-dynamics
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/is-...nda-contributing-to-its-serious-viewer-slump/
As I said in my original post, I feel for people when they lose their job but it is very hard for me to feel for Dana O'Neal just based on her reporting of Grayson Allen.
Also, all of these reporters and journalist took on a job where some of them have no problem reporting on a coach being fired and having a day called "Black Monday", when they cannot wait to spread the news on the latest NFL coaches fired.
Also, all of these reporters and journalist took on a job where some of them have no problem reporting on a coach being fired and having a day called "Black Monday", when they cannot wait to spread the news on the latest NFL coaches fired.
The fact that Jemele Hill is still employed but Schilling is fired, should give it away to the most oblivious person.
When you're from the left, you can say whatever you want and you're protected. Go against the leftist POV and you risk having your career ruined.
We've basically reached the point that only one view is allowed to be presented in academia and media and it certainly isn't a conservative point of view. They try to destroy you and silence you if you dare go against the left's dogma.
Just to touch on stuff that Jemele Hill has got away with despite her constant race-baiting (She's the Al Sharpton of ESPN).
-Likened Celtics to Hitler
-Likened Calipari to Charles Manson
-Wrote an article saying whites are genetically inferior in a topic about white tailbacks.
- Said Brett Favre should get batteries thrown at him.
- Downplayed Orlando club shooting and Islamic teachings because "the US has been homophobic too"
There's tons of examples. Her twitter feed is every bit of what you'd expect from someone who hates whites and is a black supremacist/BLM advocate.
-Likened Celtics to Hitler
-Likened Calipari to Charles Manson
-Wrote an article saying whites are genetically inferior in a topic about white tailbacks.
- Said Brett Favre should get batteries thrown at him.
- Downplayed Orlando club shooting and Islamic teachings because "the US has been homophobic too"
There's tons of examples. Her twitter feed is every bit of what you'd expect from someone who hates whites and is a black supremacist/BLM advocate.
Here's a stat- 93 of the 100 terminated employees are of one race. The big "salary dump" that is claimed, certainly didn't hit anyone that was of the same race as the 93%.
Stephen A. Smith makes over $3M on a show with horrendous ratings.
Stephen A. Smith makes over $3M on a show with horrendous ratings.
No. I don't. I think I was very clear about the difference. Replying like that to my post is like putting ketchup on a steak.
I read it earlier today. That website is well known for their conservative lean. That doesn't mean it's invalid, but it does mean it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Caitlyn Jenner wouldn't have been my choice for the Arthur Ashe Courage Award, but she's a worthy candidate. She brought publicity to transgenderism and started a dialogue just like the man the award is named for did re: AIDS back when it was synonymous with behavior society as a whole reviled. Why does it have to be some political agenda that someone other than your pick won? Why can't it be a legit, sincere opinion?
Curt Schilling wasn't fired for unpopular opinions; he was fired for expressing them in offensive, disrespectful ways.
We all have our perspectives and our values. Calling the other guy's an "agenda" can be code for insinuating they are insincere and manipulative, as opposed to truly telling it the way they see it. It can become an excuse not to listen. But if "agenda" is the term we use, okay, let's try to avoid treating it like that code.
Assuming we all have them, as far as agendas go, it's usually a lot easier to pick out those agendas that are different from our own while being somewhat oblivious and non-questioning of our own. If ESPN leans left, well, I do, too, and it stands to reason I'm not going to be as quick to identify it as such. That's why I asked.
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How much of that is literal and demonstrable via direct quotes as opposed to how much of it is your spin on it?
She was suspended for the Hitler comparison. ESPN had to issue an apology for the battery remark and Charles Manson comparison.
These are easy to google but I'll toss a few.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/08/68497458/1
https://www.google.com/amp/deadspin.com/5431267/jemele-hill-apologizes-for-her-mouth-again/amp
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/cu...e-hill-still-employed-despite-political-tweet
http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/080926
You tell me how it would go if a writer argued that whites were genetically superior in intelligence but this is okay, right?
There's a double standard when it comes to racial discussions. It's a one-sided lecturing and if you fit an identity box that the left loves (i.e. minority, not straight, not a male, etc), you get a longer leash to say what you want.
As for Bruce Jenner gettig the ESPY, his people arranged that and pitched the idea. Even threatened to pull the Diane Sawyer ABC exclusive once ESPN was dragging their feet.
He had not been an athlete in over 40 years but the Jenner/Kardashian clan are so obsessed with attention that they would do anything to be seen.
He had not been an athlete in over 40 years but the Jenner/Kardashian clan are so obsessed with attention that they would do anything to be seen.
It would be kind of pointless for me to try to Google it if it was just your spin. That's why I asked.
She didn't argue that Blacks were superior athletes in the slightest.
The Charles Manson comment was approved by her boss ahead of time and intended to be extreme and provocative, but funny. It backfired. She apologized.
The Favre tweet was the worst.
I agree w/ her about the Orlando nightclub shooting: conservatives tried to gloss over that the victims were gay in favor of jumping on their other favorite whipping boy: Islam.
You're calling Jenner "Bruce" and "he"? No hope for further discussion on this with you.
I agree with you here. Some people don't need to be be at ESPN. Len Elmore is one of them and I'm happy he lost his job. He'll be fine financially . The people who I'm not happy about losing their jobs are the ones who work hard, at work on time every day, have responsibility in raising their families and lose the jobs because of some idiot who is in a high paying mgt. position or arrogant CEO who because of profits not being high lets a lot of important employees go because it will cut into his bonus. OFC
Amen! (Very appropriate for the ex Terp Elmore, "Amen, Ayyyyymen.....Ayyyyymen, Amen, Amen......!!!!!")
OFC
Yeah, how "crazy" of me for not participating in someone's delusion and referring to someone who has a penis and is biologically a man as a "he" and calling them Bruce.
If I pretend to be Lebron James or a dragon, are you going to oblige my delusion?
Also, acting as if the U.S. has been remotely similar to the teachings of Islam is insane and idiotic. When has the U.S. made it legal to imprison and execute gays? Are conservatives throwing gays off of roof tops? No.
Ridiculous
Its bad for people losing their jobs, but you also have to remember, none of these mentioned should be hurting financially unless they were just stupid with their money. Most on that list are or have been paid very well to just sit around and talk about sports,,oh yea and for sharing all their political views on public TV.
And you are correct my friend. HIS name is BRUCE Jenner.
Best case scenario, we all live the lifestyle we can afford to live, right? We wouldn't begrudge someone making 3X what we make having 3X the mortgage payment then, right? I mean, we might think we're pretty frugal with our own money, but someone making half as much could probably look at our spending and have criticisms, y'know?
In your estimation, who, specifically, was let go in this round of layoffs for their political views?
That is because the posters here are patient enough to suffer your left-wing, progressive political drivel without taking your rotting bait. Spare us your politics and stick to sports commentary, which is something that you do pretty well.
@Dattier needs no one to defend him. His views and opinions have always been well thought out and insightful -- sports or not. Some things I agree with some not so much. Regardless, there are mods here (very good ones) that make this a very good board to express our views. So, take a look at your post count, then take a look at Dat's. I'm not seeing anything out of line here.
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I work in high tech. Have for over 20 years. I've worked for start-ups and Fortune 500 companies. I've been laid off, fired, company run out of money. I had to fire people and had to let many good people go because someone higher in the food chain made a stupid decision in the past. It is a brutal industry, but I've played this game for a while. Lots of guys here probably do too -- be interesting to see if they concur.
ESPN has suffered from a corporate mindset that can often happen to market leaders. They are Arrogant and Ignorant. Worst possible combination. ESPN overspent on deals (NFL), over expanded headcount, made some stupid moves like Longhorn Network, and ignored the fact cable subscribers have dramatically declined.
Everyone one of those writers and talent have agents that negotiate their contracts. Do you have that?
Markets change. Companies adapt or die. Don't worry about those guys they got more than participation trophies.
Arrogant and Ignorant.
They lost sight of who they were serving.....the folks that made them a huge hit were not the young, loud and hip crowd - it was the guy who came home after work and wanted to get up to speed on the sports news. Their content has veered toward the loud, hip hop and pop culture genre and for me its just too much. I cant relate to the hosts, the content is presented in a TMZ style and their programming is littered with opinion pieces that i dont really care about. Sportcenter used to be a must watch....now i will flip to see the scores roll at the bottom and then back to something more enjoyable.
Its classic business failure - change a winning model under the perception that tastes are changing and people want something different.....then completely miss your core customers priorities and hit the decline in business.
As for WHO got laid off....karma is a patience beeotch....as they say....reap what you sow.
Its classic business failure - change a winning model under the perception that tastes are changing and people want something different.....then completely miss your core customers priorities and hit the decline in business.
As for WHO got laid off....karma is a patience beeotch....as they say....reap what you sow.
Another classic business failure is not changing when tastes are. If their difficulties have more to do w/ the drop in cable subscriptions, technology changes, and competition, whether they gambled wisely or not w/ that so-called shift in target audience is a moot point.
Someone feeling bad for these people laid off......they are high-paid, contractually protected, probably received 6-figure packages, and will get other opportunities quickly (while double-dipping on their new pay AND severance).
My advice to them? Suck it up, Buttercup. There are millions of people suffering far worse than they are. They'll survive.
As for ESPN? Their business model is arguably class- and racially-divided, and they are far Left leaning, something that doesn't have the best track record of business success (and I am Independent).
My advice to them? Suck it up, Buttercup. There are millions of people suffering far worse than they are. They'll survive.
As for ESPN? Their business model is arguably class- and racially-divided, and they are far Left leaning, something that doesn't have the best track record of business success (and I am Independent).
I feel bad for these people that were laid off but not any more than I would for someone who was hypothetically laid off from a fast food restaurant. For the people who are crying about all of these ESPN workers losing their jobs, would you feel the same way about someone losing their job at Burger King?