Keenum and Stricklin are going to have a tough dilemma come March...

[Coach34]

as far as our head basketball coach is concerned. It's pretty obvious this season is going to end miserably, with a losing record all but assured in the SEC and overall. And with the schedule we have this season, most thought HD6 and 5 midgets could have posted a winning record. Add the off the court nonsense, and the 2011 season is an absolute abomination.

Fast-forward to March, and it will be only 2 NCAA's in the last 6 seasons. Thats really unacceptable. A change needs to be made, and most know this. However, it will cost us about 1.5 million to make that change. Not only that, there is also the sentimental aspect of a guy thats been a Bulldog almost 20 being let go. That's never an easy decision- especially when he still does have a little support, and a faction of fans wanting to give him one more chance. He did afterall bring in a solid recruiting class.

Now the dilemma:

Do you fire The Recruiter, saying enough is enough with all the drama, lack of a real strength program, weak schedules with no return, lack of discipline, and an apparent lack of a functioning offense? Make a hire from outside of the program for the first time in 25 years- bringing in a coach to try and provide what's been missing?

OR

Do you give The Recruiter one more season to make the NCAA Tourney? Do you give him that one last chance?

There are problems with giving him ONE MORE YEAR.

1. Bost and Sidney return? If so, he might have enough talent to make the NCAA's. Maybe. But you will have some talented guys to go with alot of youth that will have to play immediately. You also chance the constant drama and all the other problems that have plagued the program the last 6 years- why will they magically go away suddenly?
What if they win the NIT championship? That shows promise- how strict will you be with the NCAA or bust declaration? If we dont make the NCAA's on selection Sunday- do you fire him immediately then and let an asst coach the NIT?


2. If no Bost or Sidney, you are wasting time giving him another year. The team has zero chance of making the NCAA's. It will be The Recruiter's Farewell Tour. So why waste that season with a lame duck coach that knows this will be his last season? Why waste a year of a good recruiting class with no strength program, constant drama, no discipline, and let them learn bad habits that will plague the next coach?

I hate that The Recruiter's fate will be tied to two idiot players- but he really is. They give him the only chance at keeping his job for the future. Without them, 2012 would literally be just a waste of a season with a line-up of Moultrie, Lewis, Bryant, Steele, and a bunch of true freshman.

 

[Coach34]

as far as our head basketball coach is concerned. It's pretty obvious this season is going to end miserably, with a losing record all but assured in the SEC and overall. And with the schedule we have this season, most thought HD6 and 5 midgets could have posted a winning record. Add the off the court nonsense, and the 2011 season is an absolute abomination.

Fast-forward to March, and it will be only 2 NCAA's in the last 6 seasons. Thats really unacceptable. A change needs to be made, and most know this. However, it will cost us about 1.5 million to make that change. Not only that, there is also the sentimental aspect of a guy thats been a Bulldog almost 20 being let go. That's never an easy decision- especially when he still does have a little support, and a faction of fans wanting to give him one more chance. He did afterall bring in a solid recruiting class.

Now the dilemma:

Do you fire The Recruiter, saying enough is enough with all the drama, lack of a real strength program, weak schedules with no return, lack of discipline, and an apparent lack of a functioning offense? Make a hire from outside of the program for the first time in 25 years- bringing in a coach to try and provide what's been missing?

OR

Do you give The Recruiter one more season to make the NCAA Tourney? Do you give him that one last chance?

There are problems with giving him ONE MORE YEAR.

1. Bost and Sidney return? If so, he might have enough talent to make the NCAA's. Maybe. But you will have some talented guys to go with alot of youth that will have to play immediately. You also chance the constant drama and all the other problems that have plagued the program the last 6 years- why will they magically go away suddenly?
What if they win the NIT championship? That shows promise- how strict will you be with the NCAA or bust declaration? If we dont make the NCAA's on selection Sunday- do you fire him immediately then and let an asst coach the NIT?


2. If no Bost or Sidney, you are wasting time giving him another year. The team has zero chance of making the NCAA's. It will be The Recruiter's Farewell Tour. So why waste that season with a lame duck coach that knows this will be his last season? Why waste a year of a good recruiting class with no strength program, constant drama, no discipline, and let them learn bad habits that will plague the next coach?

I hate that The Recruiter's fate will be tied to two idiot players- but he really is. They give him the only chance at keeping his job for the future. Without them, 2012 would literally be just a waste of a season with a line-up of Moultrie, Lewis, Bryant, Steele, and a bunch of true freshman.

 

[Coach34]

as far as our head basketball coach is concerned. It's pretty obvious this season is going to end miserably, with a losing record all but assured in the SEC and overall. And with the schedule we have this season, most thought HD6 and 5 midgets could have posted a winning record. Add the off the court nonsense, and the 2011 season is an absolute abomination.

Fast-forward to March, and it will be only 2 NCAA's in the last 6 seasons. Thats really unacceptable. A change needs to be made, and most know this. However, it will cost us about 1.5 million to make that change. Not only that, there is also the sentimental aspect of a guy thats been a Bulldog almost 20 being let go. That's never an easy decision- especially when he still does have a little support, and a faction of fans wanting to give him one more chance. He did afterall bring in a solid recruiting class.

Now the dilemma:

Do you fire The Recruiter, saying enough is enough with all the drama, lack of a real strength program, weak schedules with no return, lack of discipline, and an apparent lack of a functioning offense? Make a hire from outside of the program for the first time in 25 years- bringing in a coach to try and provide what's been missing?

OR

Do you give The Recruiter one more season to make the NCAA Tourney? Do you give him that one last chance?

There are problems with giving him ONE MORE YEAR.

1. Bost and Sidney return? If so, he might have enough talent to make the NCAA's. Maybe. But you will have some talented guys to go with alot of youth that will have to play immediately. You also chance the constant drama and all the other problems that have plagued the program the last 6 years- why will they magically go away suddenly?
What if they win the NIT championship? That shows promise- how strict will you be with the NCAA or bust declaration? If we dont make the NCAA's on selection Sunday- do you fire him immediately then and let an asst coach the NIT?


2. If no Bost or Sidney, you are wasting time giving him another year. The team has zero chance of making the NCAA's. It will be The Recruiter's Farewell Tour. So why waste that season with a lame duck coach that knows this will be his last season? Why waste a year of a good recruiting class with no strength program, constant drama, no discipline, and let them learn bad habits that will plague the next coach?

I hate that The Recruiter's fate will be tied to two idiot players- but he really is. They give him the only chance at keeping his job for the future. Without them, 2012 would literally be just a waste of a season with a line-up of Moultrie, Lewis, Bryant, Steele, and a bunch of true freshman.

 

[fishwater99]

After talking to our AD about Stans in November, I didn't sense that he and I were on the same page. I got the feeling Stans had several years to turn the program around. Now this is all before the latest show by the RSS and Baliey.
If Bost and the RSS return, next year's team will be so much better than this year. We get Moultrie on the inside to replace Kodi, the three freshmen and Lewis will be better also. Hood will make us all forget about Ravern. If he doesn't make the tourney next year, then he should be gone, but with that team we should be in the Top 20.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

He is the CEO of the basketball program. Well, he's just not getting it done. Any other CEO would be gone after failing to produce and I see no difference in this situation.

I think two drummings by those douche bags in Oxford will put a few more people over the line. Expect his stock to fall even more after tomorrow.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

If Bost and the RSS return, next year's team will be so much better than this year. We get Moultrie on the inside to replace Kodi, the three freshmen and Lewis will be better also. Hood will make us all forget about Ravern. If he doesn't make the tourney next year, then he should be gone, <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">but with that team we should be in the Top 20.</span>

How many times have we heard this?

 

[Hector.sixpack]

with that said, I think no tourney next year and Stans isgone. But he'll get in by the skin of his teeth, lose in the second round, and here we go again.

I don't see what it would hurt to go ahead and make a change now.

 

[bulldogbaja]

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[bulldogbaja]

I realize this is a new AD, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he gets fired after this year. A bad season wouldn't have been enough, but a bad season AND the off the court stuff- maybe.
I am hoping Stricklin nuts up and does it.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

told directly to me from a cigar boy in starkville.....

Stansbury quit last year....Keenum talked him out....

Stansbury will be back next year, if he doesnt quit at the end of the year, which is a good possibliity....

but he could very well be canned at the end of next year if not turned around...


told to me just after the hawaii debacle....and was told not to put this "on cyberspace"....

well, i may just have to change usernames

 

[Coach34]

we were about to have another patented Stansbury 20 win season- instead, we have a cluster-17

 

[Coach34]

told directly to me from a cigar boy in starkville.....

Stansbury quit last year....Keenum talked him out....
Stansbury will be back next year, if he doesnt quit at the end of the year, which is a good possibliity....

but he could very well be canned at the end of next year if not turned around...


told to me just after the hawaii debacle....and was told not to put this "on cyberspace"....

well, i may just have to change usernames

He looks defeated on the bench right now. He could possibly be "re-assigned to an associate AD's job at the end of the season. He doesnt look fiery or passioinate on the bench during games right now

 

[maroonmania]

than Crxxms did. Also, given the recruiting class coming in, he definitely gets at least one more year. If there was no hope on the horizon he might be canned but that's not the case. I agree that the program still has a pretty low ceiling given the fact Stans won't hire a real coaching staff but, be that as it may, he will still be here next year. I'm actually hoping that this year is bad enough that it at least gives Stricklin some leverage with Stans to force an upgrade to the coaching staff. I believe if I was Stricklin and after a bad year this year Stans refused to change out any staff then I would pretty much lay it out that if things aren't vastly improved next year then he's gone.

 

[maroonmania]

ability or will to deal with and handle the ego-filled players of today. He seems to look flustered with the whole situation at the moment.

 

[Coach34]

than demanding a new asst or two. He is not going to let the assistants coach anyway, but at least making our players tougher and more athletic should help a little.

 

[Tds &amp; Beer]

If he doesn't come back, we still have a chance to be successful next year. It's very simple, Stansbury is not only a bad coach, but he is an absolutely terrible coach. I have been saying for years and years and my friends would act like I was stupid. Words cannot describe how bad he is. It blows my mind that a universitywould allow a coach and assistants that are this clueless to continue coaching at the same school for this long. There is nothing anyone can do or say to convince me that he should be back next year. He shouldn't have been here five years ago. The results on the court never showed that he should be gone back then, but just watching our team, their fundamentals, their energy, their basketball knowlege, their respect,and their hustle did. If Stansbury could have recruited for us over the last decade with a real coach at the healm, we would be one of the better programs in the nation. But Stansbury has reached his ceiling. People say they think he'll get another year to turn this program around, and I agree, he probably will. But when someone has been the coach for so long, and he needs a year to "turn the program around," what is that saying about the coach? You shouldn't get multiple years to correct a program that you have been coaching for so long. If we keep him, what are we hoping for? Nothing. We've seen everything he has to offer and it sucked. Get his *** out Scott. If you can't see that it's time, then maybe you aren't the leader I thought you were.

 

[msudogsrule01]

Out of sheer dismay with the current way college basketball is run. I don't think he will be forced out, but I think he might have just shut down after having to deal with the egos of today's current crop of basketball players. A lot easier to coach team guys like Roberts, Zim, Timmy, Shane, Brandon and guys like that. I wonder if this really all started with not kicking Charles Rhodes off the team when he was pulling his version of the Kodi? We now have, by my count, at least four guys with the Kodi attitude. I am not saying that Stans is blameless, but I wonder if Rhodes is where it really all started, which led to Gordon (who made it much worse), to today.

 

[gtowndawg]

at the Memphis maroon club meeting this fall. His clothes were baggy on him from weight lost, and he seemed like he was just going through the motions. The only time he got excited was talking about how fun the Atlantis resort in the Bahamas is. Dead serious.

Not to mention only 25 people even showed up. I think he was sick of it then....I can't imagine how he feels now.

I've mentioned this before but I'll say it again. Jimmy Sexton, the most money hungry agent out there right now, refuses to rep NBA players anymore. None of them. What does that tell you?

 

[Hanmudog]

Maybe your friends thought you were stupid back then because at the time we were winning a **** ton of games at the time. All that matters is winning and not how we look running the picket fence. Bottom line is that Stansbury is the all time winningest coach in MSU history and did a good job for a long time but has sucked the last 2 years. People forget that acouple of years ago after Rhodes and Gordon left we were picked to finish near the bottom of the SEC but we ended up winning the SECT and getting an NCAA bid. There are no excuses for the failures of the last two years though and it all falls on Stansbury.

The time has come for Stansbury to go because his teams are not rebounding or playing defense like we used to which helped make up for his offensive coaching limitations. I just get tired of peopleacting like it has been like this for the last 13 years.

**Note to C34: I realize that alot of Stansbury's wins were against bad teams but lets not pretend that he is the only coach in MSU history that played patsies.

 

[Coach34]

Maybe your friends thought you were stupid back then because at the time we were winning a **** ton of games at the time. All that matters is winning and not how we look running the picket fence. Bottom line is that Stansbury is the all time winningest coach in MSU history and did a good job for a long time but has sucked the last 2 years. People forget that acouple of years ago after Rhodes and Gordon left we were picked to finish near the bottom of the SEC but we ended up winning the SECT and getting an NCAA bid. There are no excuses for the failures of the last two years though and it all falls on Stansbury.

The time has come for Stansbury to go because his teams are not rebounding or playing defense like we used to which helped make up for his offensive coaching limitations. I just get tired of peopleacting like it has been like this for the last 13 years.

**Note to C34: I realize that alot of Stansbury's wins were against bad teams but lets not pretend that he is the only coach in MSU history that played patsies.

been a fan of his, as some of you may have guessed...but it's like night and day viewing his teams of the last 5-6 years and the teams that played from 2001-2005...even the years we made the Tourney, they looked nothing even close to those teams...

If you set aside 2001-2005, and judge him strictly on 2006-present, there is no way you can objectively say he should be retained as coach.

 

[SorryDog]

It's all about finding our rhythm.

 

[maroonmania]

you are telling me that even back in 04 when we were what 24-2 or whatever, undefeated on the road and overall SEC champions you thought the guy was an absolutely terrible coach? Heck, at that time he was producing results better than any coach on campus. Back then you knew his strengths which were recruiting, defense, rebounding and a team that played with effort. At this point he still recruits fairly well for a school that only puts about 4,000 butts in the seats until SEC play but his teams no longer as a whole play tough nosed defense, rebound and go all out. Having Jarvis the last few years helped mask the fact that we were no longer playing good overall team defense.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Mize State simply cannot afford to pay the English professor 1.5 million dollars to go away, not with the strain on the budget after paying Dan Mullen.

I wish Stansbury would just quit. His program is a bad joke. But, I fully expect him back for one final season in 2012. Hate it.

 

[Indndawg]

at the end of last season or even before

 

[Sutterkane]

you don't return that many points from an SECT champ and don't at least make a 9 seed. Coach and Fishwater could've coached that team to an 11 seed at worst. Losing to Rider was the beginning of the end.

 

[fishwater99]

you are telling me that even back in 04 when we were what 24-2 or whatever, undefeated on the road and overall SEC champions you thought the guy was an absolutely terrible coach? Heck, at that time he was producing results better than any coach on campus. Back then you knew his strengths which were recruiting, defense, rebounding and a team that played with effort. At this point he still recruits fairly well for a school that only puts about 4,000 butts in the seats until SEC play but his teams no longer as a whole play tough nosed defense, rebound and go all out. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Having Jarvis the last few years helped mask the fact that we were no longer playing good overall team defense.</span>

I agree that in 2004 Stans did a pretty good job, but since then he has let the AAU thugs run wild in Vegas...

 

[Hanmudog]

at the end of last season or even before

Yeah we should have fired him right after winning the SEC tournament and making the NCAA tournament with a team that was picked fifth in the West in the preseason.We were not picked to do anything that seasonafter the departuresof Rhodes and Gordon. We would have looked some kind of stupid firing him then.

I would have had no problem with getting rid of him last season however.

 

[Coach34]

he made the Tourney- yet fired.

Just because you win the SEC Tourney to get in when you had no other chance of making it doesnt make you well-coached or a good team. Georgia won the SEC Tourney the year before- what good did it do to keep Felton another year? But when they fired him, they started getting better

 

[Hanmudog]

he made the Tourney- yet fired.

Just because you win the SEC Tourney to get in when you had no other chance of making it doesnt make you well-coached or a good team. Georgia won the SEC Tourney the year before- what good did it do to keep Felton another year? But when they fired him, they started getting better

UGA was sub .500 that year. We won 23 games and would have been at least on the bubble even had we lost in the title game. Heath was fired because he underachieved with a team loaded with senior talent that year and were expected to be one of the top teams in the country. They had a **** ton of talent on that team at Arkansas with Weems, Washington, Ervin, Hill, and that big white guy I can't remember. In contrast, we were picked to finish nearly last in the SEC that season but won 23 games, the West, and the SEC tournament after losing Rhodes, Gordon, and Hansbrough.

Like I said, I would have had no problem getting rid of Stansbury after last season because that was a similar situation to the Heath firing unlike the year before.

 

[Coach34]

that team was 19-12 heading into the SEC Tourney- with a very weak SOS as usual. We were 10-5 OOC, with losses to Charlotte, Texas Tech, and San Diego...our biggest wins OOC were W. Kentucky and S. Alabama. 9-7 in the SEC, 3rd in the West...

23 wins doesnt really make a **** with the schedule we play. Our win total is inflated year after year due to us playing one of the weakest schedules year after year.

In the last 6 seasons, SIX SEASONS, we have 4 wins vs BCS schools pre-conference. And in SIX seasons, we have only played 13 games vs BCS schools- going 4-9.

When you play **** teams all the time, the 20 wins argument loses alot of its luster

 

[PTC Dawg]

I say get rid of him, get some new blood in there. Luckily in basketball there is the early signing period, so they will have good talent to work with and might help in the search.</p>

 

[Thick]

When you play a team that had to play a double header, you are the second opponent, and you don't have enough basketball sense to run uptempo offense and full court, 3/4 court, half court presses, with some trapping zone defenses thrown in there for ***** and giggles. The most upsetting thing was that we had a decent team. RS is good man, that has done a good job building the program.

I would like to know why he wanted to walk away last year. Did he want to go to Clemson or just retire? Why did Keenum talk him into staying? What was said, did RS tell Keenum that this year's team was going to be uncontrollable? Did Keenum ask him to coach one more year and then retire? RS is not the same coach that he was last year, something's not right. He seems defeated, tired, uninterested, and lost with what to do with this bunch.

 

[Paper Dog]

Stans is going to be back next year. Period. End of discussion.</p>

 

[Coach34]

Stans is going to be back next year. Period. End of discussion.</p>

considering all that can happen between now and then...I don't think we've had our last incident of the season yet

 

[jbulldog]

to enjoy his family and take time away from basketball.

 

[LR1400]

Some of you want to rag on Rhodes and Gordon which is kind of odd. They may have had egos, what really good player doesn't, however they were very very good college basketball players. We would not have won a fraction of the games we won in those seasons without them. Give it a rest. Those
players were NOTHING like some of the dickheads currently on the team. You can't have a team full of academy do-gooders.

 

[TheBigDA]

However, why toy with Clempson if that is the case.

 

[Coach34]

to enjoy his family and take time away from basketball.

him, his family, and State basketball

 

[fishwater99]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">When you play a team that had to play a double header, you are the second opponent, and you don't have enough basketball sense to run uptempo offense and full court, 3/4 court, half court presses, with some trapping zone defenses thrown in there for ***** and giggles.</span> The most upsetting thing was that we had a decent team.

There was no excuse for that loss to UGA, none...

 

[topbulldawg]

It's very simple, Stansbury is not only a bad coach, but he is an absolutely terrible coach. I have been saying for years and years and my friends would act like I was stupid. Words cannot describe how bad he is. It blows my mind that a universitywould allow a coach and assistants that are this clueless to continue coaching at the same school for this long.

Obviously a coach who has had his success is "absolutely terrible". That really is a short-sighted and pretty comical that you really believe that.

Now, if you want to argue whether he should be let go, that's fine, but he didn't just become a idiot out of the blue. Something changed, and its probably more of a burnout then anything else. He doesn't have his fire anymore. That doesn't mean he is clueless, it just means he isn't getting the job done.