Keep our troops out of Israel

AustinTXCat

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Location location location. Depends on where in Israel we're discussing.

 

JDHoss

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Abraham just had to have a kid. Keep it in your robe, old fella. SMH.
From the Book of Dylan:

God said Abraham, kill me a son...
Abe said man, you must be puttin' me on...
God said NO...
Abe say WHAT?...
God said, you can do what you want Abe, but the next time you see me comin' man, you better run...
Abe said, where you want this killin' done?...
God said, out on Highway 61...
 

John Henry

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I would like for Israel to turn loose and wipe out their enemy with direct aim at Iran. Israel is the best fighting force on earth and that includes the Americans. While our military pushes social engineering and social justice, Israel trains their army to kill the enemy. Remember this. America has not won a war since 1945. And we will not win another one as long as our mission is social justice.

Let Israel go it alone and fight this war on their terms And when they destroy their enemies let them keep every inch of land they conquer. Let them wipe out Iran and sell what is left of it to the Democrats. Israel will win this battle and it is long overdue. We have tied their hands long enough. We always jump in and put the brakes on them, this time just let them go.
 

bkingUK

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US shouldn’t drop a single bomb or send a single soldier. Can fund. Can sell weapons. Can give loans. Don’t be stupid.
 

bkingUK

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Are we in the shape to be funding any more religious wars
I’ve been watching a whole lot of WW2 documentaries lately. Really that whole era of ultra nationalism from post WW1 to end of WW2. And I contend strategically the best thing the US did in WW2 was to not enter until it became a necessity. That waiting gave the US the most leverage in the world once it entered and the loans accumulated gave way to a golden age in the US.

I wouldn’t disagree with you about funding. Though I think regardless of left right ******** and agenda, question that should be asked is what is best for US long term. Israel certainly does give US a stepping stone in that part of the world. Don’t think we simply walk away. But do think support should be applied discretely.
 

bkingUK

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Another thing I find interesting about the Israel situation in general is that it’s just a continued extension to WW2. That’s fascinating to me. Chain of events set in place by Adolph Hitler directly led to situation we are in today. Also why I think much of Europe, France and UK most specifically, have as much responsibility as the US.
 
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Another thing I find interesting about the Israel situation in general is that it’s just a continued extension to WW2. That’s fascinating to me. Chain of events set in place by Adolph Hitler directly led to situation we are in today. Also why I think much of Europe, France and UK most specifically, have as much responsibility as the US.
I love researching WW2, what exactly do you mean by this? Thanks.
 

bkingUK

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Hitler’s invasion of Russia ultimately enabled Russia to grow its influence and in effect grow communism. This was in effect what led to the Cold War and the rivalry of the two super powers. It also led to millions of displaced Jewish people.

Nevertheless, WW2 led to the construction of the United Nations. Through the UN, the US backed support for the division of Palestine, a British colony whose mandate was set to end in 1948, into two territories. The Brits remained publicly neutral on the issue as to maintain diplomacy in the region.

US advocation was done in conjunction with other moves of the Cold War, such as the westernization of Japan, which was also needed to counteract growing Russian influence. While the US did publicly support a Jewish state earlier in the century, the Cold War was the primary motivator at this time.

I only mention France because they aren’t innocent in Middle East affairs. Both France and England maintained colonies from Palestine to Syria. Their actions also led to where we are today.

Its just interesting how it’s all connected.
 
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Ukbrassowtipin

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Hot take:

F Palestine
F Israel

Centuries old argument that boils down to:

My god can beat up your god
No u
Not necessarily true...for starters both Judaism and Islam technically have the same God. B. About 20% of Israel is Muslim.

The conflict is much more complicated than editorials of either lean boil it down to, but its quite embarrassing how progressives and some leftist media portray it compared to how the rest of the civilized world sees it.

It's always "poor Palestine was just throwing rocks"

No the reality is Palestine isn't really a recognized country because they're incapable of governing themselves...and bc of that they scapegoat Israel for everything to divert the attention of their citizens. Don't get me wrong, there are things to criticize Israel about. But the reality is Israel could wipe Palestine off the face of the earth if they really wanted to, and they don't even retaliate as much as they could bc they try not to kill civilians...even tho the press jumps all over it if they do,, while ignoring the ones hamas kills. Palestine doesn't want a 2 state solution, they want jews eradicated. They also openly fund terrorist groups along with other countries like Iran (which is why the Iran deal was such a problem) then throw children in harms way bc they know morons will believe this propaganda.

To put it simply...imagine if Mexico constantly lobbed rockets over the border bc they cried Texas used to be Mexican territory. Theres not because there was a war...they lost, and everyone moved on. Or imagine if Mexico lobbed rockets over and a progressive or a comedian in a suit like Trevor noah claimed "yeah but they can't kill everyone so you should show restraint and let it happen" ....thats basically their stance on this issue. Just embarrassing.
 

RunninRichie

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Not necessarily true...for starters both Judaism and Islam technically have the same God. B. About 20% of Israel is Muslim.

The conflict is much more complicated than editorials of either lean boil it down to, but its quite embarrassing how progressives and some leftist media portray it compared to how the rest of the civilized world sees it.

It's always "poor Palestine was just throwing rocks"

No the reality is Palestine isn't really a recognized country because they're incapable of governing themselves...and bc of that they scapegoat Israel for everything to divert the attention of their citizens. Don't get me wrong, there are things to criticize Israel about. But the reality is Israel could wipe Palestine off the face of the earth if they really wanted to, and they don't even retaliate as much as they could bc they try not to kill civilians...even tho the press jumps all over it if they do,, while ignoring the ones hamas kills. Palestine doesn't want a 2 state solution, they want jews eradicated. They also openly fund terrorist groups along with other countries like Iran (which is why the Iran deal was such a problem) then throw children in harms way bc they know morons will believe this propaganda.

To put it simply...imagine if Mexico constantly lobbed rockets over the border bc they cried Texas used to be Mexican territory. Theres not because there was a war...they lost, and everyone moved on. Or imagine if Mexico lobbed rockets over and a progressive or a comedian in a suit like Trevor noah claimed "yeah but they can't kill everyone so you should show restraint and let it happen" ....thats basically their stance on this issue. Just embarrassing.
shut up, nerd.
 
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Deeeefense

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The govts of both the US and Israel agree that it was misidentified.
I'll tell who didn't agree, the sailors off of the Liberty that I drank beer with at Little Creek Amphibious base, Gator club. A few of us from my ship went over to take look at the Liberty after they towed her in to Little Creek. The dock was roped off so we couldn't get near it but you can see the extensive damage to it. That attack lasted over an hour they were waving the American flag, signaling in encoded metaphor that Israel had access to and screaming on every maritime channel available.

Israel had conclusively identified the Liberty as much as 26 minutes before the fatal torpedo strike. According to Israeli documents, the pilot’s report was passed to the Israeli Navy, where the vice chief of naval operations dismissed it as camouflage writing to allow an Egyptian ship to enter the area. Israeli documents likewise show that at least two other Israeli naval officers suspected that before the torpedo attack, the target was none other than the Liberty. Neither intervened to halt the attack

Spy Ship Left Out In The Cold
 

bkingUK

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Not necessarily true...for starters both Judaism and Islam technically have the same God. B. About 20% of Israel is Muslim.

The conflict is much more complicated than editorials of either lean boil it down to, but its quite embarrassing how progressives and some leftist media portray it compared to how the rest of the civilized world sees it.

It's always "poor Palestine was just throwing rocks"

No the reality is Palestine isn't really a recognized country because they're incapable of governing themselves...and bc of that they scapegoat Israel for everything to divert the attention of their citizens. Don't get me wrong, there are things to criticize Israel about. But the reality is Israel could wipe Palestine off the face of the earth if they really wanted to, and they don't even retaliate as much as they could bc they try not to kill civilians...even tho the press jumps all over it if they do,, while ignoring the ones hamas kills. Palestine doesn't want a 2 state solution, they want jews eradicated. They also openly fund terrorist groups along with other countries like Iran (which is why the Iran deal was such a problem) then throw children in harms way bc they know morons will believe this propaganda.

To put it simply...imagine if Mexico constantly lobbed rockets over the border bc they cried Texas used to be Mexican territory. Theres not because there was a war...they lost, and everyone moved on. Or imagine if Mexico lobbed rockets over and a progressive or a comedian in a suit like Trevor noah claimed "yeah but they can't kill everyone so you should show restraint and let it happen" ....thats basically their stance on this issue. Just embarrassing.
I just don’t see how the partisan opinions are necessarily pertinent. I think what Trevor Noah said was dumb. But I also think supporting Israel because of the Bible is dumb. Just don’t think those people really matter to legitimate modern geopolitical strategy.
 
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Ukbrassowtipin

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I just don’t see how the partisan opinions are necessarily pertinent. I think what Trevor Noah said was dumb. But I also think supporting Israel because of the Bible is dumb. Just don’t think those people really matter to legitimate modern geopolitical strategy.
That's my point...like everything, ppl just blindly support Palestine bc its what the groupthink says to do, or Israel. It's why I said don't listen to either editorial lean on things
 
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