Keep this in mind when a Bear tries to 17 with you about recruiting...

Coach34 · Jan 24, 2011

They have beaten us in recruiting rankings at least 7 years in a row- I got tired of looking...and we have won 3 of the last 4 and will make it 4 of 5 in November. Recruiting will improve next season after another top 20 finish.

We won 9 games with a 2-star QB, two 2-star TB's, a 2-star CB, and a whole bunch of 3-star players. And we did it in a season in which the SEC West was the toughest it has ever been. They went to the Cotton Bowl in 2008 when the West had 3 teams with losing records, and then when they went 4-4 in the SEC in 2009- just like we did this season.

No amount of recruiting this Febuary is going to make them better than 6-6 this Fall- thats best case scenario. Let them gloat about a recruiting victory- it's all they have right now. It really doesnt make a ****.

BehrDawg · Jan 24, 2011

Honestly, that is a great post. I couldn't agree with you any more

saltybulldog · Jan 24, 2011

Would I love to have a better class? Sure. However, the on the field results the past two years have shown it doesnt matter. We had an equally bad coach (O vs Croom) and the worst recruiter ever and they still couldnt manage keep the momentum. They can have the Feb trophy...we will keep the Egg.

chew1095 · Jan 24, 2011

on an interweb message board? There is no place for facts here...

Seriously, nice info.

DirtyLopez · Jan 24, 2011

are head cases anyway, which is why they never stick around. In some cases, they have saved us some headaches (patpat).

karlchilders.sixpack · Jan 24, 2011

The Bears have recruited talented classes, that can't stay in school, and are many that are not coach-able. This is what Nutt was ranting about inhis much discussed post season rant/explination.

I think in our case, Mullen has on occasion, tested a recruit up front, to see if he is coach-able, and if he will fit into the team concept. After all, these guys have had more smoke blown up their *** than Mt St Helens, and the reality is when they get on the team, they are just "One of the Boys".

rebelrouseri · Jan 24, 2011

and much better than ours after attrition. Scout also has your 2007 class higher. We've had some good classes on paper that were only worth the paper they were printed on when you looked at who was going to have grades etc. Rankings don't mean crap if they don't get into school and don't work hard once they get there.

bonedaddy401 · Jan 24, 2011

we have a huge gap at ILB and it looks like we went all in with C.J. I agree that it won't make them any better than 6-6 next year at best. I agree we will stomp a mud hole intheirass at our place next November. But guys like C.J. and Whitehead are thedifferencein just beating Ole Miss every year and being able to beat the LSU's and Alabama's of the world.<div>
</div><div>The saddest part to this, and please read this carefully Rebel lurkers, is that these guys arecommittingto a coach and a program that will be soon be dismantled after another ****** year this coming season. As usual Ole Miss will burn these kids careers up in the same flames that burned David Cutcliffe, Ed Orgeron and soon to be Houston Nutt's career up; flames that are fueled by inflated expectations and a delusional self image. To be fair, "O" the coach did a fare share of burning his own up but it is what it is.</div><div>
</div><div>The focus needs to be turned to Quay Evans and Channing Ward. Those guys are big time SEC players. You get both of them on your defensive line and it is a program changer. C.J. will be a great player but these two guys have a chance to be elite players. If you think this year has beenridiculous, wait until next year if these guysstretchtheirrecruitment out also.</div>

Coach34 · Jan 24, 2011

and thats the whole point of the post- talking smack about recruiting is dumb- cant be judged for 3 years...yet you Bears are here constantly and on other boards with constant recruiting smack and BS

Coach34 · Jan 24, 2011

if CJ is the only LB we are recruiting, then they feel we have enough talent on the team to be ok. He would be a great player for us and we need to sign him- no doubt.

But they apparently feel better about LB next year then many of us do or they would have gone the juco route and recruited more of those guys

TUSK.sixpack · Jan 24, 2011

7 year Rivals comparison - negligible difference, IMO....
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height:15.0pt"></td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt"></td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
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0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt">olemiss</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:12;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">year</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">rank</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">5*</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">4*</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">3*</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">ave</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:13;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2011</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">8</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">0</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">4</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">22</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">3.15</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:14;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2010</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">7</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">0</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">8</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">16</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">3.26</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:15;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2009</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">10</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">1</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">8</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">22</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">3.11</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:16;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2008</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">9</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">1</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">15</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2.71</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:17;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2007</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">8</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">0</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">6</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">12</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">3.09</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:18;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2006</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">6</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">7</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">15</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">3.17</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:19;height:15.0pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2005</td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">9</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
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height:15.0pt">8</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.0pt">2.56</td></tr><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:20;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:15.75pt"><td width="36" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:27.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:15.75pt"></td><td width="58" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:43.45pt;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
border-left:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;border-right:none;
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padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.75pt">8.14</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
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padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.75pt">0.71</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
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padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.75pt">5.29</td><td width="40" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:30.15pt;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
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padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.75pt">15.71</td><td width="32" nowrap="" valign="bottom" style="width:23.8pt;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
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padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.75pt">3.01</td></tr></tbody></table></div><div>
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mstatefan88 · Jan 24, 2011

Skinner, Bohanna, Hughes, Lawrence, Holmes, Hunt, Jamie Jones, Wilson, maybe Harrison-Gay. That may not be the most talented group in the SEC, but I guarantee that group has a chip on their shoulder after all this crap and will go out there with something to prove.They pay attention to recruiting, andthey will want to prove they are good enough to compete in the SEC.

We have some speed at LB, and I think Skinner is going to be a beast. We are just young right now. I think Collins will bring these guys along and although we will see a drop off, I don't think we will look bad at the LB position next year.

EAVdog · Jan 24, 2011

no reason to worry about it anymore. If CJ chooses us I'll be pleased. But in all honesty I'd rather lose a recruit to Ole Miss than LSU anyday. We have enough difficulty playing LSU as it is andbeating Ole Miss isfar less of an obstacle.

We'll be fine next year on Defense. Our D Line is going to be crazy good and our Secondary will be one of the best in the SEC. I assume we'll rotate over one or more of our DE's to LB's if we have to build some depth. We are losing two great ones in Wright and White but we're better off in that position than people assume. If we can pick up Devonte Sigler or Leon Mackey we will be a better overall defense in 2011 than in 2010. Add that to whatwill be a more productive offense with some speed guys coming on line, 2011 is going to be a good year for the Bulldogs.

Let's hope lessons are being learned about the recruiting process in Mississippi.

AlCoDog · Jan 24, 2011

our d-line recruiting and what is already in place will make a decent line backer look good. CJ could have a hay day behind the guys we've got. We need him badly no doubt, but I'm ready for Ferlando too. I love that damn name!

Somebody mentioned the other day, besides Mahwinney, when was the last time we had a bad linebacker?

EAVdog · Jan 24, 2011

since we're heavy at DT and DE. Skinner, Hughes, Lawrence, Hunt, Jones have all played significant minutes and should know the scheme. I wouldn't be too shocked if Sean Ferguson switched to OLB either.

We're going to have a great D next year. CJ could take it up a notch immediately from great to awesome but this meltdown is rediculous.

I'm really hoping we get Mackey, McReynolds, and Sigler as well as keep Whitehead. Add those guys to PJ Jones and we're getting a really good class on defense.

millsaps05 · Jan 24, 2011

It appears that Mullen has been focusing on recruiting a solid D-line first. Like AlCoDog said, a good d-line can make an average LB look good. Heck, even Ray Lewis needed Haloti Ngata to improve his play. If Mullen and Co. continue to recruit solidly on both the O-line and D-line then State will continue to win and the rest will take care of itself.

fishwater99 · Jan 24, 2011

rebelrouseri said:
and much better than ours after attrition. Scout also has your 2007 class higher. We've had some good classes on paper that were only worth the paper they were printed on when you looked at who was going to have grades etc. Rankings don't mean crap if they don't get into school and don't work hard once they get there.

I also trust Mullen and company to be a better judge of a players worthiness than some Scout and Rivals writer( Rosebowl, Jorts, and Yancy)... Stars don't mean a thing imo..

UpTheMiddlex3Punt · Jan 24, 2011

Someday we'll bring the giant recruiting egg back to Starkville.

tupelopixdotcom · Jan 24, 2011

Year in and year out, championship teams have talented players and good depth in the trenches. Mullen seems to understand that it all starts with a solid line on both sides of the ball.

RebelBruiser · Jan 24, 2011

rebelrouseri said:
and much better than ours after attrition. Scout also has your 2007 class higher. We've had some good classes on paper that were only worth the paper they were printed on when you looked at who was going to have grades etc. Rankings don't mean crap if they don't get into school and don't work hard once they get there.

Wait, and which classes factored the most into the 2010 season? That's right, the 2007 and 2008 classes.

I do agree on rankings though. I don't buy them, but I still want to see my team do well in recruiting, because it's important. You could tell we didn't do well in 2007 or 2008. In 2007, we undersigned and had to back fill with whatever we could find to avoid letting scholarships go to no one.

In 2008, it was a transition class. Nutt blew it up and had to re-build it in about 2 months. We landed a few decent players, but mostly they were guys that we had to cobble together.

If you don't think recruiting is important, you're sticking your head in the sand. Getting worked up about rankings is another thing altogether, but you are going to have a better team if your coaches land mostly prospects that they grade high. If they're under-signing or having to cobble together a class at the end, they're going to struggle 3-4 years down the line regardless of how good they can 'coach em up'.

If you paid attention to recruiting, avoiding the fluff pieces or any inflated rankings, it was easy to tell that 2010 was going to be a tough year for us. That's why most of us pay attention, because it makes it a whole lot easier to see what your future is going to look like.

Will this particular class matter next year? Other than a few players that will contribute, it won't make much of a difference for anyone. Of course, I'm guessing you're hoping to have success further than 1 or 2 years down the line. If that's the case, then you're going to need good players down the line. You can be your own judge on whether or not you're getting those good players or not and whether or not they're getting to campus and staying on campus.

See, it's not just about one year, or February. It's about the whole process. We signed a very good class in 2006, but not just according to the rankings. That class had a low attrition rate, and coupled with a few standouts from other classes, they had some pretty good seasons. It was easy to see ahead of time that they were going to be pretty good. They didn't win anything in 2006 or 2007, but if you were watching, you knew we were going to be better in 2008 and 2009 because of that class and a few of the other pieces from other classes around it.

I won't be one to judge your class, but if it's a class filled with back-fill and Plan B's, or if it falls apart with attrition, you're going to suck in 3-4 years regardless of your head coach. If you're signing a good class and the majority of them stay in school and develop, you're going to be pretty good in 3-4 years. It's not hard to follow, especially for someone that's a former coach, I would think.

ETA: Let me also say that I think your 2007 class (after attrition) was definitely better than ours. Your 2008 class was better than ours, and while I think our 2009 class even after attrition was a solid enough class to build on, I still think I give your 2009 class a slight nod. However, our 2010 class and this 2011 class look to be much better for us than for you, without the opportunity for much attrition yet obviously. That's a big reason why you had a better 2010 team than us. You simply had more talent, and you had enough talent to allow you to compete.

I was not impressed with Mullen's 2010 haul. He had a few players that looked good on the offer list, but he had a whole lot of signees who didn't get much attention from any other decent programs. I see a lot of the same in this 2011 haul. Unless there are an abnormal amount of diamonds in the rough in these past two classes, I expect that your talent will be down by 2013, and you'll be experiencing "rebuilding" at that point. You might see the start of that downward trend as early as 2012, much like our 2009 season (in comparison to how we looked in 2008) gave a preview of what was to come in 2010. So again, feel free to ignore it, but if you aren't doing a whole lot better on the recruiting trail then I think you are the last two years, it'll catch up to you in a few years.

Hector.sixpack · Jan 24, 2011

bonedaddy401 said:
<div></div><div>The focus needs to be turned to Quay Evans and Channing Ward. Those guys are big time SEC players. You get both of them on your defensive line and it is a program changer. C.J. will be a great player but these two guys have a chance to be elite players. If you think this year has beenridiculous, wait until next year if these guysstretchtheirrecruitment out also.</div>

Is a great talent- hopefully he'll learn to play hard on every play.

Keep this in mind when a Bear tries to 17 with you about recruiting...

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