Since you seem to know so much about insertions, what do you think you are doing? I am sure it doesn't apply to you.
Keion Brooks
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You replied to me. I have replied specifically to you in each of my posts.
you are making absolutely no sense right now.
You seem to just want to argue about social issues with every poster here, I have not engaged in that activity as this is not the place for that and most people cannot speak about that without biases anyways.
My discussion was a specific point about a coach who founded the Kentucky basketball program with another poster.
Has absolutely nothing to do with you, and when asked about Rupp you said you did not care, so why are you even talking to me?
Just to argue?
I am not trying to win anything because there is nothing to win. You seem to think your pre 1960s thoughts mean something. Get over it. This is 2023 and players will continue to do what they do even if you don't like it because you need them more than they need Kentucky. I am finished with this discussion.
In case anyone is interested in actually learning about the topic of Rupp, the information is freely available on my website, and covers in exhaustive detail both pro and con.
Adolph Rupp: Fact and Fiction
As far as whether people conclude he was racist or not, as I’ve said many times I think reasonable people can disagree. It’s certainly not a cut and dried issue, there’s evidence both ways.
So from that standpoint one goal of the page is to be a starting point to have an informed debate on the topic where everyone involved is at least knowledgeable and familiar with what is actually fact and what isn’t.
What I don’t have a lot of patience for is when people don’t make the effort to learn or simply decide to ignore the facts and instead rely more on their assumptions or preconceptions about a topic (or worse relying on outright falsehoods) which they really know nothing about.
I actually referenced this exact page to a friend years and years ago in this argument before.
I believe the points in my original
Post come from
This exact page.
It was baffling to me that the poster I was talking to originally just stated that people thought it was true so it must have been true.
I’m glad you’re done. You have defeated your own argument I think. Yep, it’s 2023. Remember the players and coaches that got you here as a fan. Real players? There is still a few that play for the jersey. They are part of a team. I’ll always root for the team (UK), I’m guessing you take the individual’s side.
It is obvious that many of the things being said has nothing to do with Rupp. Rupp is being used by individuals to air out their grievances. Unless Rupp is coming back to take Cal's place, it doesn't matter to me.
I can’t believe we have a poster who thinks Rupp was a racist and he’s getting minimal pushback. Go cheer for another team if you think it’s okay to throw the FOUNDER of program under the bus.
You inserted yourself in a conversation that had nothing to do with you to defend BK calling Rupp racist. Idk why
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Anybody, today or historically, who doesn't hold, profess, and act upon modern progressive morals and ethics is evil.
There, I said it.
There, I said it.
From my perspective, it goes both ways.
On the one hand you’ve got Rupp critics who seize on Rupp to either push their own agenda by scapegoating him or to somehow benefit out of blaming him for all the ills of college basketball integration.
On the other hand you’ve got Rupp apologists who either take offense that people say he ever did anything wrong or as you say use the topic to air their own grievances of modern day politics.
Neither group is treating Rupp or this topic fairly or doing his legacy a service IMO.
It was the same for me Nick. There were frustrating things with Keion that he did as a freshman that he was still doing as a junior. The careless turnovers drove me nuts. The inconsistent play, disappearing in 2 or 3 games in a row. Not seeming to be interested in rebounding, despite playing the 4. I wasn't all that upset when he left because I preferred Toppin from mid-January to the end of the season. Of course, Toppin has been inconsistent, too.
Anyway, as I've looked at Brooks' numbers, his efficiency is actually worse this year than his last 2 at UK. He just has a longer leash and is getting a bunch of minutes- most on that team, and taking more shots than anyone else on the team.
How many players do your description apply to on this UK team? You have to take shots to make and miss shots. We have two great shooters on this UK team who can't consistently make baskets for whatever reason, but the answer isn't for them to stop shooting.
Whenever race is the topic, there are way more than two perspectives. I didn’t read Keion’s comments or the original call to change the name as accusing Rupp of being racist. They’re talking about the era of Rupp, which was unarguably racist and exclusionary towards black players. There’s nothing wrong with a black athlete not being as enamored with, proud of or wanting to celebrate an era of basketball that he wouldn’t be allowed to compete in. People should argue around that topic instead of continually attacking Keion for not sharing their view of Rupp.
You just knocked it out of the park!! I don't see how anyone can disagree with your well thought and laid out response.
Im a neutral observer, youre the one that brought up the capital march. And if you want to throw those rednecks under the bus i fully expect you to throw the MONTHS of BLM supporters trashing peoples lives under the bus as well.....but you wont.
You only want to see things as if it was 1850.
LMD is irrational and I think senile. He jumped me for saying Wheeler shouldn't read message boards. He's crazy
I’m guessing though we’ll only have a page more of this thread before it’s nuked into the political thread and then we’ll just redo the same thing all over again the next time someone mentions Keion Brooks.
Most likely, but it has to be responded to so that others don't think that everyone agrees with those who are attacking Brooks for non-basketball related stuff.
The people that complain about Brooks’ off court stuff are the same people he was protesting.
Those idiots tried to over throw the government.
The only time UK players took a knee was right after the insurrection.
I don’t like the kneeling but I understand it.
As a fan I don’t care about the politics of the coach or the players.
But we all live in the times we live in.
You can accept it or whine about it. Your choice.
Those idiots tried to over throw the government.
The only time UK players took a knee was right after the insurrection.
I don’t like the kneeling but I understand it.
As a fan I don’t care about the politics of the coach or the players.
But we all live in the times we live in.
You can accept it or whine about it. Your choice.
It’s not rocket science. Keion is a good player that wasn’t a good fit here.
Playing in the less physical PAC 12 and exclusively zone defense has done him a world of good.
Playing in the less physical PAC 12 and exclusively zone defense has done him a world of good.
I don't know about 1850, but you certainly act as if you want black players acting like they are living in the Jim Crow period when freedom of speech didn't apply to blacks.
Sounds like you have some serious race issues. The fact where you find nothing wrong with a kid going to the media and trashing a dead coach, with ZERO evidence (which he admits), tells me you have such racial blinders on that you lost all perspective of right and wrong.
If the kid was white, and he was bashing John Thompson, i have a feeling you wouldn't be defending the white kid or preaching "freedom of speech".
Just curious, do you think OJ murdered his wife?
Love arguments like this. You mentioned OJ, John Thompson and racial blinders but never acknowledge why a black player may take it personally that black players couldnt play at Kentucky until the same year man went to the moon.
Moderation seems sporadic and lacking on this site.
Starkville, Baton Rouge, Oxford etc…In 1960 might be alot different. Especially if not from South.
It's all on my Rupp page. Here's a direct link to the particular section.
Link to Rupp and KNEA and Kentucky State
This talks about various coaching clinics and lectures on basketball which either included black coaches or were held specifically at black sponsored events for primarily black audiences (in particular the KNEA which was the Kentucky Negro Education Association, which was the convention for black educators in the state).
It's also known that at times in the 1930's and 1940's Rupp conducted clinics at Kentucky State and that he brought his players for some to illustrate his points. How many of these clinics and exactly who was there I don't know. Below is the only newspaper article I've seen about these, although I've had UK players from that era confirm they've participated in them (along with them playing barnstorming games against black teams).
As a side note, this is the exact same time period as the "Secret Game" between Duke Medical personnel and North Carolina Central coached by John McLendon, for which there's been a lot of hoopla of late. In that case they make a big deal about a scrimmage that took place behind closed doors and wasn't publicized in any way (in fact they went out of their way to not mention it for fear of backlash). And it wasn't even the actual Duke team, but a collection of former college players attending the medical school at the time. In comparison, you've got Rupp personally holding coaching clinics at black institutions that are publicized (and at times bringing his team with him). And yet in one case they're praised for being racial pioneers and on the other Rupp is continually villified. :flush:
It's also known that Rupp attended at least one coaching clinic at Tennessee State with John McLendon in 1961.
FWIW, in one of the McLendon documentaries it mentions Rupp went to visit him in his office during that time period, and somehow insinutates that Rupp "stole" the idea of the fast break from McLendon. Which is ludicrous given that Rupp had already been using and developing fast break aspects from the very beginning of his time as coach at Kentucky in the early 1930's and certainly was already well known for using the fast break well before he talked with McLendon in the early 1960's. If Rupp 'stole' aspects of the fast break it was more from Frank Keaney of Rhode Island State who successfully ran the fast break in the 1930's and 1940's.
thanksIt's all on my Rupp page. Here's a direct link to the particular section.
Link to Rupp and KNEA and Kentucky State
This talks about various coaching clinics and lectures on basketball which either included black coaches or were held specifically at black sponsored events for primarily black audiences (in particular the KNEA which was the Kentucky Negro Education Association, which was the convention for black educators in the state).
It's also known that at times in the 1930's and 1940's Rupp conducted clinics at Kentucky State and that he brought his players for some to illustrate his points. How many of these clinics and exactly who was there I don't know. Below is the only newspaper article I've seen about these, although I've had UK players from that era confirm they've participated in them (along with them playing barnstorming games against black teams).
As a side note, this is the exact same time period as the "Secret Game" between Duke Medical personnel and North Carolina Central coached by John McLendon, for which there's been a lot of hoopla of late. In that case they make a big deal about a scrimmage that took place behind closed doors and wasn't publicized in any way (in fact they went out of their way to not mention it for fear of backlash). And it wasn't even the actual Duke team, but a collection of former college players attending the medical school at the time. In comparison, you've got Rupp personally holding coaching clinics at black institutions that are publicized (and at times bringing his team with him). And yet in one case they're praised for being racial pioneers and on the other Rupp is continually villified. :flush:
It's also known that Rupp attended at least one coaching clinic at Tennessee State with John McLendon in 1961.
FWIW, in one of the McLendon documentaries it mentions Rupp went to visit him in his office during that time period, and somehow insinutates that Rupp "stole" the idea of the fast break from McLendon. Which is ludicrous given that Rupp had already been using and developing fast break aspects from the very beginning of his time as coach at Kentucky in the early 1930's and certainly was already well known for using the fast break well before he talked with McLendon in the early 1960's. If Rupp 'stole' aspects of the fast break it was more from Frank Keaney of Rhode Island State who successfully ran the fast break in the 1930's and 1940's.
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