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Was Rupp racist?

In 2023 context, yes
In 1950s context, no. Far from it.

My parents are both lifelong diehards, season ticket holders since the respective openings of Commonwealth Stadium and Rupp Arena. They’ve been alive for all 8 championships but don’t remember the ones prior to 1951.

I’ve asked them both this question about Rupp. Both said Rupp was fairly progressive with race relations for the mentality of his era. The problem was that era was a very racist time in this country in general and most people were at least a little racist without really knowing any better. It’s just “how it was,” which is both pathetic and helps understand the issue contextually.

To me it’s absurd we didn’t let people participate in certain activities based on something as arbitrary as skin color. That’s just moronic to me, but I’m “only” in my 40s. I grew up in an integrated society. Looking at it from back then, it probably would’ve been dangerous to recruit and play black players who had to travel regularly to Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Florida and Tennessee because that part of the country is what it is and was what it was.
This reminds me a bit of John F Kennedy’s speech to the country (June 1963) on civil rights (in the wake of the Alabama crisis). Today, many critics believed JFK “dragged his feet” on civil rights, but at the same time, this speech was something MANY Americans never expected to hear from their President. Pretty ballsy for the times.

 
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I hate to be this guy but the Cletus brigade smashed in a few windows and entered the capitol that way as well. It was insurrection at worst and the world’s redneckiest temper tantrum at best. I don’t think thise misguided souls had the ability to overthrow the government, but just the fact they thought they could change the outcome of an already decided election by doing whatever that was makes them look kind of dumb.

Also, 9 people died that day, including one police officer. It was more than one person killed.

It’s just easier to say the civil unrest in the summer of 2020 and the civil unrest of Jan. 6, 2021, were both bad looks and shouldn’t be defended or excused.
9 people did not die that day, and no cop did. When you have to resort to making up things you have lost the discussion.
Only one person was killed, and it wasn't a cop.
 

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9 people did not die that day, and no cop did. When you have to resort to making up things you have lost the discussion.
Only one person was killed, and it wasn't a cop.
In your world, you might be right, but in the real world they did die. Just so you know, they didn't have to die on that day to be considered a causality of the failed insurrection. If they eventually died as a result of injuries sustained by the actions of all the beavis and buttheads who assaulted them, they were killed by the insurrectionist. It doesn't matter if you agree or not. Lol
 
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exactly you have no argument otherwise, not a single example. When did the government shut down, what realistically happened to impede the government or electoral process? More damage happened in Atlanta last night by 6 Antifa scumbags than on Jan. 6. So until you post anything remotely viable that shows those people did anything to legitimately overthrow the government your argument holds no water.
They were too stupid to overthrow the government, but that doesn't change the fact that the idiots tried. The idiots thought Trump would protect them. All he did was laughed at them. All they managed to do was to embarrass themselves and their families. Many of them will eventually spend considerable time in lockup for behavior that was dumb as rocks.
 
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In your world, you might be right, but in the real world they did die. Just so you know, they didn't have to die on that day to be considered a causality of the failed insurrection. If they eventually died as a result of injuries sustained by the actions of all the beavis and buttheads who assaulted them, they were killed by the insurrectionist. It doesn't matter if you agree or not. Lol
In no world did 9 people die because of injuries on January 6.
 
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5 Trump supporters died at the Capitol that day. Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by a Capitol policeman. Ben Phillips had a stroke during the fray. Kevin Greeson died of a heart attack during the events. Rosanne Boyland died as well, speculated that she was crushed to death, but it was determined to be a drug overdose.

Officer Brian Sicknick died the next day from a stroke that was determined that the previous day's events contributed to his condition. 4 other Capitol officers committed suicide within 7 months.
 

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5 Trump supporters died at the Capitol that day. Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by a Capitol policeman. Ben Phillips had a stroke during the fray. Kevin Greeson died of a heart attack during the events. Rosanne Boyland died as well, speculated that she was crushed to death, but it was determined to be a drug overdose.

Officer Brian Sicknick died the next day from a stroke that was determined that the previous day's events contributed to his condition. 4 other Capitol officers committed suicide within 7 months.
Brian Sicknicks Stroke was not from the events of the day, abd it sure as hell wasn’t from being beaten with a fire extinguisher.
In no rational world is suicides months later considered casualties from anything other than trying to make something worse than it really was.

Do we count suicides from the people in or around the BLM riots as victims of them? We have no idea what was going on in their lives.
 
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5 Trump supporters died at the Capitol that day. Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by a Capitol policeman. Ben Phillips had a stroke during the fray. Kevin Greeson died of a heart attack during the events. Rosanne Boyland died as well, speculated that she was crushed to death, but it was determined to be a drug overdose.

Officer Brian Sicknick died the next day from a stroke that was determined that the previous day's events contributed to his condition. 4 other Capitol officers committed suicide within 7 months.
Basically, people unnecessarily died attempting to do something that they had a snowball's chance in hell of pulling off. For their troubles, history will chronicle them as seditionist, unpatriotic, and traditors.
 
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Basically, people unnecessarily died attempting to do something that they had a snowball's chance in hell of pulling off. For their troubles, history will chronicle them as seditionist, unpatriotic, and traditors.

Same goes to all the rioters from BLM destroying state government property here in TN and other states. The problem is the January 6th people were punished and the rioters of blm were praised.
 

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Basically, people unnecessarily died attempting to do something that they had a snowball's chance in hell of pulling off. For their troubles, history will chronicle them as seditionist, unpatriotic, and traditors.
They weren’t trying to do anything, much less “ overthrow” the government.

The only thing that happened was the MSM didn’t have to the public evidence of fraud.
Why do you think Harris lied about where she was? She was back up plan at tge DNC with the “ bomb “ threat that was a kitchen timer in broad daylight.
 

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Same goes to all the rioters from BLM destroying state government property here in TN and other states. The problem is the January 6th people were punished and the rioters of blm were praised.
It doesn't matter how many times you tell a lie it remains a lie even when you have been brainwashed into believing it. However, in this case, those idiots were so stupid that they provided all the video and audio evidence needed to convict them. Lol. Many of them actually stated that they felt like they were being called by their president to take up arms and attack the government to defend him. Lol. The powerful always figure out ways to manipulate, the poor, uneducated, and powerless to perform their dirty work which is exactly what "the Donald" did. Many of the insurrectionist are either in jail or will soon be going while Donald is planning for his next fleecing of America.
 

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9 people did not die that day, and no cop did. When you have to resort to making up things you have lost the discussion.
Only one person was killed, and it wasn't a cop.

Turns out we’re both wrong. It was 5 people who died that day.


A capitol police officer also died. The cause of death was heart attack, which I’m sure being outnumbered 10-1 by angry idiots had something to do with that.


I have included links from a source you should trust.
 

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Turns out we’re both wrong. It was 5 people who died that day.


A capitol police officer also died. The cause of death was heart attack, which I’m sure being outnumbered 10-1 by angry idiots had something to do with that.


I have included links from a source you should trust.
And that report is wrong, he wasn’t injured during the riot, that’s directly from his texts to his brother that night. T

The medical report also states he died of natural causes. He had a stroke.

Only one person was killed at the riot.
 

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They weren’t trying to do anything, much less “ overthrow” the government.

The only thing that happened was the MSM didn’t have to the public evidence of fraud.
Why do you think Harris lied about where she was? She was back up plan at tge DNC with the “ bomb “ threat that was a kitchen timer in broad daylight.

You’re in a cult, man. Just stop. “Fraud”

Knowing the sheer incompetence of the DNC and the bumbling nature of Joe Biden, y’all really think it’s possible they masterminded a ploy to “StEaL” an election but not also “StEaL” firm control of the Senate and various state races? Those people couldn’t pull off a liquor store robbery without getting caught.

As someone who isn’t invested heavily into political rhetoric, the Dale Gribble conspiracy theories are pretty comical.

Like I told my liberal friends when they went nuts when Hillary lost: take the L, come back in 4 years, try again. If you lose, repeat the process. Crying cheater isn’t going to change anything. Goes for 16 and 20
 

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You’re in a cult, man. Just stop. “Fraud”

Knowing the sheer incompetence of the DNC and the bumbling nature of Joe Biden, y’all really think it’s possible they masterminded a ploy to “StEaL” an election but not also “StEaL” firm control of the Senate and various state races? Those people couldn’t pull off a liquor store robbery without getting caught.

As someone who isn’t invested heavily into political rhetoric, the Dale Gribble conspiracy theories are pretty comical.

Like I told my liberal friends when they went nuts when Hillary lost: take the L, come back in 4 years, try again. If you lose, repeat the process. Crying cheater isn’t going to change anything. Goes for 16 and 20
Lol, cult… The election was stolen, Zuckerberg didn’t pay 500 million for the hell of it my man.
 

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Seems a lot of idiots don't know the actual meaning of insurrection. Grannies with selfie sticks is not overthrowing the government. Nancy Pelosi being followed by a Hollywood film crew, capitol police opening up the barriers voluntarily, ppl being bussed in wearing all black smashing windows, and dems refusing to release 14000 hrs of surveillance, and idiots still call it an insurrection. It was a bad look staged photo op for the dems.
 

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Same goes to all the rioters from BLM destroying state government property here in TN and other states. The problem is the January 6th people were punished and the rioters of blm were praised.

This is a false narrative. More than 13,000 people nationwide have been arrested and charged for their roles in the riots of 2020. Some are facing very serious chargers such as conspiracy to commit arson, arson, assault of a police officer, destruction of government property, etc.

That number should significantly be higher, but the 2020 rioters covered their faces. Capitol rioteras did not. Easier to identify someone when you can see their face.
 

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Only here can a thread about one of our former players turn into this but hell, I'll jump in for a second.

The riots never should've happened and I hope the rioters were found, arrested, and charged. You won't find many (and no one here) who disagrees with that or makes excuses for the actions of those criminals. We saw peaceful protests occur across the country and in many cases as night came, a bad element took over and we saw planned destruction. Inexcusable ****.

If you're far right, you don't need to always connect those destructive riots to the insurrection as if it's a game of what's worse. You don't need to downplay what happened simply because it was your guy who fanned those stolen election flames (even to this day) and it was your guy's merch all over the insurrection as the world watched. I know in your mind you want to downplay one event because it made your boy look awful (he's now seen as an unelectable nutcase that you can't get rid of) while highlighting another event because you believe every rioter was a lib or loved Mr. Establishment Biden. Both were embarrassing but MAGA world owns the insurrection. If you continue to carry the stolen election flag or the insurrection was no big deal or actually Antifa flag, it shows just how deep you're in the pollical...swamp. Yeah, let's use that word here.

Carry on!
 

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I hate to be this guy but the Cletus brigade smashed in a few windows and entered the capitol that way as well. It was insurrection at worst and the world’s redneckiest temper tantrum at best. I don’t think thise misguided souls had the ability to overthrow the government, but just the fact they thought they could change the outcome of an already decided election by doing whatever that was makes them look kind of dumb.

Also, 9 people died that day, including one police officer. It was more than one person killed.

It’s just easier to say the civil unrest in the summer of 2020 and the civil unrest of Jan. 6, 2021, were both bad looks and shouldn’t be defended or excused.
Cletus Brigade 😝😝😝😝
Ok that was funny.
 

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We can nitpick years and names, and noted if correct, but I don’t think you addressed my core point here, which was at Kentucky Adolph Rupp lagged behind In the area of segregation. Rupp also faced criticism about this while coach and took part in multiple interviews defending his lack of progress on the issue. Kentucky was the last blue blood program to integrate, was middle of pack in SEC and trailed instate schools. For a program that celebrates high standards and really even celebrates the traditions started by Rupp, this is clearly an issue that did not meet those standard
If you think my post was "nitpicking year and names" then you completely failed at reading comprehension. My post not only corrected you, the information provided directly discredited your entire thesis.

It's not me who has to address your 'core point'. If anyone maybe you should start addressing some of the contradictions you've been ignoring to date. I've readily admitted that Rupp failed in his efforts to integrate the program earlier. But you seem to fail to grasp is that Rupp failed many times throughout the 1960s, not just with black recruits but with white recruits as well.

True he had some luck during that time, in Cotton Nash who played high school ball under one of Rupp's former players, although they never made the Final Four with him. Dan Issel turned out to be a gem but he was Rupp's third choice as a recruit. He struck gold with the 1966 "Rupp's Runts" team but only after they surprised the nation after being completely overlooked.

But in general, Rupp was thought to be well past his prime with an outdated system (sound familiar?) and being out done by younger coaches like John Wooden, Dean Smith and Al McGuire etc. He had a lot of trouble recruiting white players, let alone trying to recruit black players who were often being swayed against attending UK by advisors with scores to settle.

It's not like when it came time for him to retire that there was universal outpouring to keep him. Granted there were many who did, but a number of UK fans were ready to move on too.
 
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I always thought Keion was a good asset to have offensively. He could step out and knock down a mid range jumper, which freed up space for Oscar to work around the basket.

Also, January 6.
 
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Basically, people unnecessarily died attempting to do something that they had a snowball's chance in hell of pulling off. For their troubles, history will chronicle them as seditionist, unpatriotic, and traditors.
Are you referring to the BLM riots that went on for months, burning and looting HUNDREDS of businesses and homes?
 

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@LmdCat Anyone know if these pics of Washington are when the rednecks barged into the capitol for a few hours, or is the the "mostly peaceful protesting -CNN" from BLM riots?
 

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You must be one of the dumba$$es that believe that when a person died in a car crash with massive head trauma, while having Covid, was a Covid death. Keep posting. It's not everyday one gets to read the ramblings of a racist idiot.
I know it is hard to manage all of the voices in your head but do try to stay focused. This discussion has nothing to do with Covid. That is a discussion that one of the other dozen voices in your head is engaged in. You are boring me so since you don't have the God given sense to stop on your own. I will put you out of your misery by placing you on ignore.
 
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