I get it but there are plenty that have no common sense or even think about other people. Italy is jailing sick people who go out to the store. Kinda seems like a no-brainer to stay home if you are infected.
Kentucky eateries and bars closed indefinitely
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As someone else stated, it's not as easily transmitted from surfaces.
But the difference here is, a lot less people will come in contact with it via a drive-thru compared to having 100 people in a restaurant at once. We know that it will spread. But, it's more about slowing the spread right now then completely stopping it. We must slow it down so that hospitals will be able to keep up.
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Cut breads , pasta, stop sugar except for a "treat" a couple times a week. Keep carbs to <150 day with moderate exercise.
I hope you are right. I hope we are over-reacting and this thing does not take hold here. Like I said in other posts, this is not a win/win. Over-reacting hurts businesses, the economy, and might cause some unnecessary death because of fear of getting treatment.
If we over-react we will never know if we went to far. If we under-react we will definitely know and this will get much much worse.
To answer the question - am i putting others at risk by going into a restaurant. The answer is yes. The main reason this virus is so dangerous is because the incubation period is averaging 5.2 days right now. No symptoms for 5 days where you can spread the virus around. Right now, the odds are low you will get it, but if you do, you won't know for anywhere from 3-7 days and everyone you come into contact with has a chance of picking it up from you. It's not measles or chicken pox contagious but it's still a threat to those around you (if infected)
I think it was a bold move for both men, especially Dewine. He was the first to take that necessary first step. Hopefully the do nothing senate will approve the bill that is in front of them that will help the workers you just mentioned. There are only downsides to this health crisis and it is good to see leadership in action that may lessen the impact.
That made me laugh out loud. You and @HoldMyBeer win. I don't have a good counter argument for "no common sense". He was making the same argument without being so explicit. Game, set, match.
I'm on 125 carbs, 1000 calories, and >50 sugar. It's killing me! Love my bread and pasta. Lost 8 lbs in 2 weeks, but now I am holding steady. Guess I will have to work off the last 7 lbs. I really miss the days of eating what I want when I want. I had a high metabolism until about 2 years ago (age does that). I'm still considered skinny (32 jean size), but the dad bod was starting to take over, so I am being proactive before it gets out of control.
I hope so too. I am not an epidemiologist nor schooled in biology or medicine, but from what I've read, the H1N1 (swine) flu was more virulent and deadly to young and old alike. I am optimistic that with warm weather approaching and with people being more vigilant, we will get through this with much fewer casualties and infections.
You should follow the numbers. The number of people who have the virus is growing exponentially every single day. What took a month previously is now only taking a week or less. About a thousand people are dying every few days from the virus. In Italy, someone is dying from the virus about every four minutes. Let that sink in.
OK, but is that due to the virus exponentially spreading or is it due to significantly increased numbers reporting coming in due to the focus on it now? Most places were ignoring it until the last week or so. Of course the numbers are going to jump.
What I want to know is how many people are dead from this. Those numbers should be tangible, today, at this minute.
Actually the H1N1 virus was not that lethal. 60.8 million Americans infected with something like 12,500 deaths. .2% death rate
The rate of spread and the death rate are both going to be higher than H1N1... so without this type of reaction it would infect more than 61 millions Americans.
Sars-cov-2 (which is the name of the virus, covid-19 is the name of the disease it causes)
COVID-19 estimates are the final death rate will be above .8% - so let's hope it doesn't infect 61 million. <- I don't think it will because we will be in lock down if the numbers really start jumping.
There were 260 confirmed deaths from H1N1 in Italy over a one year period.
There were 368 confirmed deaths from COVID-19 in Italy this past Sunday alone.
That website exists. About 200-300 have already died from the virus today. It only takes a quick Google search.
Are you the idiot that tested positive and is being forced to self quarantine in Nelson county?
Support your local restaurants as much as possible by getting takeout when you can, if you can afford it. These businesses are trying to keep their heads above water. Help them out.
Tell us what proactive moves he can take or should be taking. He was one of the first, not the first, but one of that group to close restaurants and bars.
Right now the infection rate grows 30% or more per day( US numbers)
Below scenario is not going to happen because of the measures that are being taken (some people quarantining, cancelled events, closed businesses) . But, this is what it looks like if we continue to spread the virus with a 30% new case rate. This is the power of exponential growth
(math note, March 15th we had roughly 3680 American confirmed infected. I am pretty sure this is all American's globally though, and not just in North America.)
If we continue to have 30% growth rate - - then we will have a mandated 14 day lockdown within the next week or so. groceries, hospitals, pharmacies etc.. would stay open.
Also, please find and read articles about what happens when or if we run out of ventilators and/or ICU beds. The stories in Italy are awful. It's been very very tough on the medical professionals there. And another also, roughly 5% of cases end up being critical. If placed on a ventilator, that patient will need the ventilator for 3 weeks before recovery (some longer).
15-Mar 3,680.00
16-Mar 4,784.00
17-Mar 6,219.20
18-Mar 8,084.96
19-Mar 10,510.45
20-Mar 13,663.58
21-Mar 17,762.66
22-Mar 23,091.45
23-Mar 30,018.89
24-Mar 39,024.56
25-Mar 50,731.93
26-Mar 65,951.50
27-Mar 85,736.95
28-Mar 111,458.04
29-Mar 144,895.45
30-Mar 188,364.09
31-Mar 244,873.31
1-Apr 318,335.31
2-Apr 413,835.90
3-Apr 537,986.67
4-Apr 699,382.67
5-Apr 909,197.47
6-Apr 1,181,956.71
7-Apr 1,536,543.72
8-Apr 1,997,506.83
9-Apr 2,596,758.89
10-Apr 3,375,786.55
11-Apr 4,388,522.52
12-Apr 5,705,079.27
13-Apr 7,416,603.05
14-Apr 9,641,583.97
15-Apr 12,534,059.16
16-Apr 16,294,276.91
17-Apr 21,182,559.98
18-Apr 27,537,327.97
19-Apr 35,798,526.36
20-Apr 46,538,084.27
21-Apr 60,499,509.56
22-Apr 78,649,362.42
23-Apr 102,244,171.15
24-Apr 132,917,422.50
25-Apr 172,792,649.24
Below scenario is not going to happen because of the measures that are being taken (some people quarantining, cancelled events, closed businesses) . But, this is what it looks like if we continue to spread the virus with a 30% new case rate. This is the power of exponential growth
(math note, March 15th we had roughly 3680 American confirmed infected. I am pretty sure this is all American's globally though, and not just in North America.)
If we continue to have 30% growth rate - - then we will have a mandated 14 day lockdown within the next week or so. groceries, hospitals, pharmacies etc.. would stay open.
Also, please find and read articles about what happens when or if we run out of ventilators and/or ICU beds. The stories in Italy are awful. It's been very very tough on the medical professionals there. And another also, roughly 5% of cases end up being critical. If placed on a ventilator, that patient will need the ventilator for 3 weeks before recovery (some longer).
15-Mar 3,680.00
16-Mar 4,784.00
17-Mar 6,219.20
18-Mar 8,084.96
19-Mar 10,510.45
20-Mar 13,663.58
21-Mar 17,762.66
22-Mar 23,091.45
23-Mar 30,018.89
24-Mar 39,024.56
25-Mar 50,731.93
26-Mar 65,951.50
27-Mar 85,736.95
28-Mar 111,458.04
29-Mar 144,895.45
30-Mar 188,364.09
31-Mar 244,873.31
1-Apr 318,335.31
2-Apr 413,835.90
3-Apr 537,986.67
4-Apr 699,382.67
5-Apr 909,197.47
6-Apr 1,181,956.71
7-Apr 1,536,543.72
8-Apr 1,997,506.83
9-Apr 2,596,758.89
10-Apr 3,375,786.55
11-Apr 4,388,522.52
12-Apr 5,705,079.27
13-Apr 7,416,603.05
14-Apr 9,641,583.97
15-Apr 12,534,059.16
16-Apr 16,294,276.91
17-Apr 21,182,559.98
18-Apr 27,537,327.97
19-Apr 35,798,526.36
20-Apr 46,538,084.27
21-Apr 60,499,509.56
22-Apr 78,649,362.42
23-Apr 102,244,171.15
24-Apr 132,917,422.50
25-Apr 172,792,649.24
There's more food in the world than soup, meat, and pasta.
March 5th Italy had 3,858 cases.
March 15th we have 3,680.
The graphs looks eerily the same.
We are 10 days behind them. From memory, I believe they shut everything down around 9,000 cases. They currently have 27,980. The lockdown was too late.
In hindsight, their leaders are going to say they reacted about 10-14 days too late. We are on the same path.
You can disagree with me. But please take this seriously and practice as much social distancing that you can. This will all be different for us - but every little bit helps.
March 15th we have 3,680.
The graphs looks eerily the same.
We are 10 days behind them. From memory, I believe they shut everything down around 9,000 cases. They currently have 27,980. The lockdown was too late.
In hindsight, their leaders are going to say they reacted about 10-14 days too late. We are on the same path.
You can disagree with me. But please take this seriously and practice as much social distancing that you can. This will all be different for us - but every little bit helps.
Cool Jeff! Now, just post your address and I'll be by shortly.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:[laughing]
I haven't kept up with any of the ongoing news about any of it. I stay pretty isolated aside from work so Im not as concerned. Just making a point that sometimes the truth can lie in between. But if the toll is already higher then that is definitely alarming.
Nope. This is an example of that "no common sense" thing @UK-chulo was talking about. I don't need much of an excuse to stay home and drink bourbon. If I test positive, I'll be happy to stay home.
What establishment do you own? I'll gladly come patronize it once this is over.
Where are you getting these numbers?? Thousand people every few days? It's only had 6500 deaths as of 3 hours ago total since it's started, that's not a thousand every few days. Cite your sources, so I can take a look. There are probably hundreds of thousands of cases of this here in the USA who have gotten over it, which would exponentially lower the death percentage, they just haven't been tested.
I wonder what the surgeons are going to be doing during all this? They going back to their roots and just examining sick people? Have a hard time seeing my neurosurgeon examining and taking temperatures all day. I can't imagine he will have very many emergency surgeries to keep him busy.
Medical office next door was instructed to only see patients with immediate needs , cancelled all routine visits and pretty much have three providers seeing no one 
It will suck trying to help out these restaurant workers by going through nothing but drive-thrus. It's bad enough at McDonald's in the drive-thru without a national crisis going on. I imagine every fast food restaurant will have cars wrapped around the buildings with hour waits if people start running out of food at home and the stores keep struggling to keep shelves stocked.
millions were never going to die
a few thousand maybe
no doubt it would be less then we had with H1N1
“It will suck”- sure will. Maybe society will wish the younger generation had been taught basic math skills instead of computer skills in kindergarten while they wait for the teenage kid to give change for a twenty.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
so far 625 have died today.
I know the numbers seem low when you compare this to 7.7 billion people. Like I keep repeating, this is more contagious than the standard flu - so it has potential to get really bad. It's going to get worse, but if it keeps growing like this in the next week - then we'll see very strict guidelines for most.
Depends on how bad it gets in a given area.
In northern Italy, there have been no elective surgeries for about the past two weeks. All doctors (internists, orthopedic surgeons, you name it), have been working around the clock to deal with the onslaught of sick patients and fill in for the 20% of healthcare professionals who caught COVID-19 and can’t treat patients.
Here is a site that has live updates:
https://ncov2019.live/
I've been checking this site about every morning. The death total was just at 3000 last week. Now it's at 7100. It was At 5000 just a few days ago. This is growing exponentially. We're already showing numbers that are similar to where Italy was about 10 days ago.
Why would the number of COVID-19 deaths be less than H1N1 without intervention? H1N1 was a very mild strain that was less fatal than seasonal flu.
At the peak of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the highest number of reported deaths across the entire EU was a little over 300 in a week. Italy just reported over 350 COVID-19 deaths on Sunday alone.
So the number of people dying from COVID-19 in one day in Italy is higher than the number of H1N1 deaths in a entire week across the whole EU at the peak of the H1N1 pandemic. And Italy has yet to show any sign of slowing down.
H1N1 is nothing compared to COVID-19.