Kentucky Expands Voting Access

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I'm glad that they didn't further restrict the right to receive complimentary pizza and soda while standing in line like they did in Georgia. Oh the humanity!



 

jameslee32

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Can the OP spell out how Georgia’s voters are disenfranchised as compared to
Kentucky’s after the passage of these laws?
I believe it mostly gets into the decertification of election results by the state legislature.

Feel free to criticize KY if you must. I expect nothing less than zombie conspiracies.
 

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I believe it mostly gets into the decertification of election results by the state legislature.

Feel free to criticize KY if you must. I expect nothing less than zombie conspiracies.
So to be clear, the voters of Kentucky are not being given any more access than those in Georgia? Being that I’m a zombie, this should not be a hard answer. Is that correct or no?
 

jameslee32

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So to be clear, the voters of Kentucky are not being given any more access than those in Georgia? Being that I’m a zombie, this should not be a hard answer. Is that correct or no?
Your comparison. Not mine.

Don't live in Georgia but here's one perspective with the line items attached for those that are interested.
 

JumperJack

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So you hurriedly dug around and found a half *** tweet that actually reinforces that the Georgia bill takes nothing away from Georgia voters that voters in other states don’t have.

This whole thing has imploded on all of you fools. The majority of people want a firm chain of custody with absentee ballots. You want to make people believe that voter integrity is equivalent to Jim Crow. Or that black people cant procure an ID. The ultimate racist, the white liberal/communist.

And you still haven’t shown anything in Kentucky’s law that gives us any more access than what they have in Georgia.

But you know what’s a hoot? You cry foul at the notion that the Georgia legislature can get involved....while GD Nancy Pelosi has been openly contemplating overturning a fair election in Iowa!
 

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So you hurriedly dug around and found a half *** tweet that actually reinforces that the Georgia bill takes nothing away from Georgia voters that voters in other states don’t have.
A half-assed 13 pages of tweets that you have no interest in apparently.

And I still don't live or vote in Georgia. But I do remember the 2020 US presidential election that Trump asked his followers to overturn on January 6.
 

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A half-assed 13 pages of tweets that you have no interest in apparently.

And I still don't live or vote in Georgia. But I do remember the 2020 US presidential election that Trump asked his followers to overturn on January 6.
Read all 13, they (still) don’t point out how the individual is disenfranchised.

There have been legislators ask for recounts and electors to be unseated in MULTIPLE elections for POTUS. Many of those asking in the past have been Democrats.

Anything else? Any more lies from you?
 

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Read all 13, they (still) don’t point out how the individual is disenfranchised.

There have been legislators ask for recounts and electors to be unseated in MULTIPLE elections for POTUS. Many of those asking in the past have been Democrats.

Anything else? Any more lies from you?
A bipartisan bill was signed today in KY. Not Georgia. 🤣
 

Tskware

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Am I reading this right, if you let someone else not "authorized by law" to witness you marking your ballot at home, is now a misdemeanor?

So, when my wife and I voted absentee last year in the primary, and she asked me a question about how to mark her ballot, and I showed her how to do it, could I be prosecuted for that offense?

Good Lord, surely that can't be right.
 

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I think we should boycott all sporting events now here in the state of KY. ;)
 

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One other question, isn't Georgia where all the long lines of black voters in Atlanta had to stand in the hot sun during the 2018 governor's race? Not trying to be a smart ***, but wasn't that, among other things, the impetus for the new laws used during 2020 negotiated by primarily by Stacey Abrams and Governor Kemp? Which have now been changed again?

FWIW, I thought the way we voted here in Ky in 2020 was fine, had no problem in the primary or general election, and I voted absentee in the primary and drop box in the fall, and I sure did not see any results that made me question the outcome. Was sorry to see a couple of friends lose in city council races, Bill Farmer had been on LFUCG council for 10 years, to name one, and he lost by about 50 votes. But hey, Democracy sucks that way some times.
 

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...the impetus for the new laws used during 2020 negotiated by primarily by Stacey Abrams and Governor Kemp? Which have now been changed again?

But that is exactly why an election reform bill was passed to begin with. Stacy Abrams and the state SOS don’t get to make election laws. That power is solely state legislature’s. The consent decree and other 2020 election “policies” were illegal and directly led to many issues that stink to high heaven.

The new Georgia law is actually a watered down version of what was originally proposed because Republicans generally don’t have balls.
 

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The consent decree . . .

A lawsuit was filed challenging the 2018 method of voting, and they entered into a consent decree settling the method of voting? Is that what happened? I just remember the controversy and the subsequent agreement, but not the particulars.
 

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Cool. Still registered to vote in Ky along with Texas and NY. I'll be voting 3x next election.

Not in Kentucky, that is one of the new rules to clear voting rolls from those that have moved out of state or died. That is one rule that I don't see how anyone could complain.

But the devil is in the details. For example, how does the election official know that a voter moved OOS? Maybe a federal requirement that when you move to another state, in order to register in that new state, you have to fill out a form to be sent by the new state's election office to your former home telling them to remove you from the voter roll?
 

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In regards to #5. making it illegal to accept water or snacks from volunteers or groups.. I know this was a biggie for some people.

But why does this feel like 2nd grade when one candidate said "Here, free candy! Vote for Susie Class President!".

You get your ID, verify you are who you say you are, and you fill out your ballot. Make it easy for ANYONE to do it, but that's it. Why should food be involved? Who is paying for the Aquafina's and Doritos? What does that have to do with voting?
 

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A lawsuit was filed challenging the 2018 method of voting, and they entered into a consent decree settling the method of voting? Is that what happened? I just remember the controversy and the subsequent agreement, but not the particulars.

I don’t recall the exact specifics (whether it be due to 2018 or COVID in 2020) but yes, you’ve got the basic premise - Abrams sued Georgia to make certain voting laws more lenient. She and the SOS reached an agreement which dramatically opened up absentee and mail in voting with lax verification. Regardless of the suit, the SOS did not have authority to rewrite election laws and procedures as he did.
 
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One other question, isn't Georgia where all the long lines of black voters in Atlanta had to stand in the hot sun during the 2018 governor's race? Not trying to be a smart ***, but wasn't that, among other things, the impetus for the new laws used during 2020 negotiated by primarily by Stacey Abrams and Governor Kemp? Which have now been changed again?

FWIW, I thought the way we voted here in Ky in 2020 was fine, had no problem in the primary or general election, and I voted absentee in the primary and drop box in the fall, and I sure did not see any results that made me question the outcome. Was sorry to see a couple of friends lose in city council races, Bill Farmer had been on LFUCG council for 10 years, to name one, and he lost by about 50 votes. But hey, Democracy sucks that way some times.
Well it’s because the GOP lost both the Presidency and the both Senate races this year so they have to make sure fewer Democrats vote now.
 
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In regards to #5. making it illegal to accept water or snacks from volunteers or groups.. I know this was a biggie for some people.

But why does this feel like 2nd grade when one candidate said "Here, free candy! Vote for Susie Class President!".

You get your ID, verify you are who you say you are, and you fill out your ballot. Make it easy for ANYONE to do it, but that's it. Why should food be involved? Who is paying for the Aquafina's and Doritos? What does that have to do with voting?
Because the longest lines are in democratic districts due to closing of polling places and lower staff polling places, so they have to take measures that will prevent less people voting in Democratic districts so they can try to to stop hemorrhaging Senate and Presidential races.

So what’s an easy way to do that? Prevent people from receiving food and water when standing in line for hours because of course staying in power is more important than preventing people from health complications due to lack of food and water just so they can practice their constitutional right to vote.
 
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I didn’t know Georgia had 90+ temps in November.

And are Dems saying minorities aren’t smart enough to bring water when they go out in hot temperatures? Are there mass heat casualties in GA year round when there aren’t campaign workers to bring them water in the other 11 months?
 

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Because the longest lines are in democratic districts due to closing of polling places and lower staff polling places, so they have to take measures that will prevent less people voting in Democratic districts so they can try to to stop hemorrhaging Senate and Presidential races.

So what’s an easy way to do that? Prevent people from receiving food and water when standing in line for hours because of course staying in power is more important than preventing people from health complications due to lack of food and water just so they can practice their constitutional right to vote.

Ok, I can see that. I can also see how it's simply handing out freebies to get their voter block out, while also the possibility of selling said party with the handouts.

I don't like the stories about cities who close polls or don't have enough. If you want to vote, there should be ample opprotunity, but you should be required to show ID, and there should be no handouts and overly excessive circumstance that push people to vote. The people who want to vote will find a way. The others will make excuses.

It's 2021, the opportunity to vote AND authorize yourself, should be givens at this point.
 

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I didn’t know Georgia had 90+ temps in November.

And are Dems saying minorities aren’t smart enough to bring water when they go out in hot temperatures? Are there mass heat casualties in GA year round when there aren’t campaign workers to bring them water in the other 11 months?

Forgot that part. Come prepared.

Anyone ever live in a city like NYC or elsewhere? Everything is a wait, and there's always a line. That's what living in the city is like. I had to wait in lines to get INTO the grocery stores in NYC. That's kind of just how it is. But there are benefits.. You also don't need a car to get anywhere, and everything is in walking distance.

Heck, even in surburbia, plenty of townships had massive lines where people waited hours to vote.
 
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Ok, I can see that. I can also see how it's simply handing out freebies to get their voter block out, while also the possibility of selling said party with the handouts.

I don't like the stories about cities who close polls or don't have enough. If you want to vote, there should be ample opprotunity, but you should be required to show ID, and there should be no handouts and overly excessive circumstance that push people to vote. The people who want to vote will find a way. The others will make excuses.

It's 2021, the opportunity to vote AND authorize yourself, should be givens at this point.

Ky's bill provided for central voting locations which I also support. It saves counties a lot of money and requires far fewer volunteers. Much easier to staff 7 or 8 locations for three days in Lexington, for example, at Rupp, Comm Stadium, large churches, etc., than to coordinate and staff 160 precincts for one day. And it is harder to staff some areas than others, for a lot of reasons, plenty of people will volunteer to man a precinct at Crestwood Christian Church, or Glendover Elementary. Centre Parkway, maybe not so much. But the folks on Centre Parkway need to be able to vote with the same convenience as everyone else. Surely we all agree on that.
 

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Ky's bill provided for central voting locations which I also support. It saves counties a lot of money and requires far fewer volunteers. Much easier to staff 7 or 8 locations for three days in Lexington, for example, at Rupp, Comm Stadium, large churches, etc., than to coordinate and staff 160 precincts for one day. And it is harder to staff some areas than others, for a lot of reasons, plenty of people will volunteer to man a precinct at Crestwood Christian Church, or Glendover Elementary. Centre Parkway, maybe not so much. But the folks on Centre Parkway need to be able to vote with the same convenience as everyone else. Surely we all agree on that.

Great point. Never thought of the demands that 160 places would be, as opposed to 10, just to help proximity. 160 places just means more work load and a greater chance of of fraud IMO.
 
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Great point. Never thought of the demands that 160 places would be, as opposed to 10, just to help proximity. 160 places just means more work load and a greater chance of of fraud IMO.

Now see, it is not that hard to compromise, everything doesn't have to be World War I trench combat.
 
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Of course, cynics will say everyone knows why Republicans are pushing voting laws to suppress the poor black vote, right?

Are you said ‘cynic’ or just being rhetorical? Just to be clear on your particular position.

And given this past national election’s increase black voters voting conservative maybe you’re you’re describing more inner city voters?
 
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