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RunninRichie

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I completely disagree with you BUT purely for the purpose of debate I’m going to grant your position.

Do you want to know what the problem is at that point? Even the greatest recruiter in the history of modern college basketball, John Calipari, was getting out recruited by Duke late in his tenure here. There isn’t even an option on the board to win in that arms race.

Thankfully, I’m good with letting the Dukies have all the toddlers coz it don’t mean a hill of beans
Yeah, which is why you don’t build a team of mostly freshmen. You supplement them with mostly vets. Duke has had more success than us since 2020. Probably because Cal sucked. But something is working for them there. And they aren’t exactly building portal teams. Calipari built teams the opposite. Mostly middling freshmen, with 2 transfer “vets”. Calipari went from Wall, Knight, Fox, Teague, Monk, Booker, To Devin Askew, Ashton Hagans, Sahvir Wheeler.
 
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He answered. He said you need a go to guy.
He didn’t demonstrate anything that proved that top freshman make championship go to guys. I was trying to give him the runway to make his point clear before I point out that it has already been irreconcilably destroyed by stats and facts.
 
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Yeah, which is why you don’t build a team of mostly freshmen. You supplement them with mostly vets. Duke has had more success than us since 2020. Calipari built teams the opposite. Mostly middling freshmen, with 2 transfer “vets”. Calipari went from Wall, Knight, Fox, Teague, Monk, Booker, To Devin Askew, Ashton Hagans, Sahvir Wheeler.
Duke hasn’t won any titles since then either. Wouldn’t you rather look at how champions built their roster rather than the school that does the least with the most?
 

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Honestly when Cal gets tired of coaching, give him a GM position here. Im not joking. I always thought that would be a great fit for him.

But we 1000% need more than just Mitch and Pope to get all this NIL stuff right. Mitch has 80 other teams to worry about, Pope is coaching a team and recruiting. We need someone in between for the basketball operations that happen off the court.
Cal would crush a GM role and it was always my hope he retired into it here. He was born for that when he’s done coaching. He would be the absolute best at it. Just recruiting, getting money, making deals, pushing the program 24/7.
 
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sefus12

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Pope is just now getting started at UK. One of the reasons he went after JQ was likely to get his feet wet in the NBA player personnel. He’s a big piece to the puzzle he’s putting together

So far, out of the last 5 or 6 classes, this looks to be the only one that might end up legit for the top 5/10. Lately these classes have been junk. And they likely will be given the age of the leagues. Recruiting is a pay game, and Kentucky is likely being asked to overpay if they want them because the money is there. But they’re not going to do it because if you do, this is going to get real expensive really quick. And again I don’t think most of these freshman are even worth it anymore. Not majority of the time.

Give me the Aberdeens over this.

The issue right now is we can’t stay healthy. It’s not something people want to hear, they’d rather talk about recruiting banners. Pope is aware we just got rid of Calipari over this very issue he’s not going to go out and build teams of it. He’s trying to get some but for whatever reason it’s not happening yet.

Got to give it time to simmer. I never expected pope to get top 3 players out of the gate. Our major concern right now is health. If this team was healthy there would be no problem so that’s essentially your answer. We don’t have a problem.
Thanks for the common sense. MUCH needed around here.
 

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I don't see any reason why UK shouldn't be able to get one top 10 guy every season. It would be different if fans were asking us to load the roster with all 5 star freshmen. UK seems to have the money so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't happen.
 
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2 final fours isn’t exactly the least with the most. We hang banners for those in Rupp. Our portal team went out in the s16. Duke’s toddlers went to the final four.
When you talk CBB, do you mention how many FF first or how many NC? Most of our fans don’t even know how many FF we’ve been to for a reason. I’ll bet you can count those titles immediately.
 

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The only big game we played we scored 88 points. The only thing I’m asking is can’t we take a breath and give it a few games before concluding that?
We also allowed 90+ again. It seems every elite team we play we can’t hold them under 90 points under Pope most times. We had the UT games and maybe a couple more last year where we did but not too often and when we lost we certainly didn’t very often.
 
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We also allowed 90+ again. It seems every elite team we play we can’t hold them under 90 points under Pope most times. We had the UT games and maybe a couple more last year where we did but not too often and when we lost we certainly didn’t very often.
One game sample size so far this year. If our defense stinks by years end, you can pick out my pitchfork for me
 

RunninRichie

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When you talk CBB, do you mention how many FF first or how many NC? Most of our fans don’t even know how many FF we’ve been to for a reason. I’ll bet you can count those titles immediately.
Depends on the argument. Basically every UK fan will tell you a final four is a successful season. Unless the team was overwhelmingly the favorite to win it all and we didn’t. Like 2015.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Ever had a friend addicted to drugs? I have. It’s like seeing them finally get clean and then they’re like “bro, I need a hit. It’ll make me feel better.” Bro, I’m watching it in real time right now. Sad lol
This is the class that we should start landing elite guys we have been recruiting for over a year now. We haven’t so far. If we miss on all our major targets then that is a huge issue when NIL isn’t a problem. It just is, we need elite freshman along with the style you are asking for. Most of us agree with it but we also need to land some stud freshman. Had we landed Wilson we would be looking a lot better this year.
 
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This is the class that we should start landing elite guys we have been recruiting for over a year now. We haven’t so far. If we miss on all our major targets then that is a huge issue when NIL isn’t a problem. It just is, we need elite freshman along with the style you are asking for. Most of us agree with it but we also need to land some stud freshman. Had we landed Wilson we would be looking a lot better this year.
This is where I disagree. You know I think we just jump to conclusions on that. There’s no correlation between having a top HS guy and being a NC, or if there is it is extremely weak. It’s on Pope and staff to make sure our defense is good. Not blame it on lack of Wilson or anyone else
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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This is where I disagree. You know I think we just jump to conclusions on that. There’s no correlation between having a top HS guy and being a NC, or if there is it is extremely weak. It’s on Pope and staff to make sure our defense is good. Not blame it on lack of Wilson or anyone else
Talent wins games. Look at that BYU game the other night. They almost came back and won strictly because they had a dude who could score every time down the floor and a complementary veteran to help out. The top Freshman this year are the NBA guys and they have shown it every game so far. If we had just one we would be sitting pretty with everything else we have. Injuries have hurt no doubt but if we had a dude who could get a bucket it would be less a problem.

You realize what a Pope team would look like with a Fox and Monk type talents at the guards? They would be unstoppable.
 
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Talent wins games. Look at that BYU game the other night. They almost came back and won strictly because they had a dude who could score every time down the floor and a complementary veteran to help out.
Talent helps of course. But did you see that old thread I made last year that showed all the details about all 40 of the last champions? It makes the point clear, I wish I knew how to find it
 

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Bro, you don’t have to go 3-star in state guys or all-out McDonald’s high school team. Why not recruit and build with four stars in high school with upside and add portal pieces to fill in blanks. Maybe add one top end high school guy each year. Perfect recipe to me and the top end high school guy isn’t even needed, simply there to appease the fanbase
Because it is difficult to identify those 3 4 star recruits to build around. 4-stars go from high teens to around 80 or so. Getting lucky with those guys is tough.
 
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Agree, but you need at least one top 10 freshman.

If Pope brings back the old UK logo. And clawing wildcat, ink him to a lifetime deal.

I agree, I’ve already mentioned the logo situation to him personally. Next time I’m near him doing it again.

I said Mark we gotta do something about the interlocking UK it’s terrible. I said the new wildcat might be worse, that’s hard to do. He told me he has heard a lot of people don’t like the new wildcat. I’m not sure he realized the interlocking UK if different. He didn’t say anything about it. But he does know we don’t like the new wildcat so maybe he’ll try and fix it.
 
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Because it is difficult to identify those 3 4 star recruits to build around. 4-stars go from high teens to around 80 or so. Getting lucky with those guys is tough.
It isnt difficult if you get several. We play a deep rotation if enough guys are good enough. Those who don’t survive can transfer out. Kansas did pretty well with that idea for years before they tried to get good quick with guys like Hunter Dickinson
 

RunninRichie

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I agree, I’ve already mentioned the logo situation to him personally. Next time I’m near him doing it again.

I said Mark we gotta do something about the interlocking UK it’s terrible. I said the new wildcat might be worse, that’s hard to do. He told me he has heard a lot of people don’t like the new wildcat. I’m not sure he realized the interlocking UK if different. He didn’t say anything about it. But he does know we don’t like the new wildcat so maybe he’ll try and fix it.
Our branding is awful. Even getting throwbacks is a monumental task. Kansas and Duke and UL, get sick throwbacks and updated retro logos, fit for modern use. We get told we can’t use our old logos because it looks stretched on a tshirt.
 

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He answered. He said you need a go to guy.

But isn’t Aberdeen a “go to guy”?

We’re thin at the guard spot, Oweh is hurt and our PG is hurt. Also our best prospect isn’t there yet. I just don’t see how this has anything to do with a toss up top 10 freshman.

Not worried about defense either. Last year he did what he could with the team he basically had to recruit. I don’t read into it past that. This year we’re in November. Some teams take a second. But the health of the team is legitimate but Mark doesn’t have much to do with that outside of JQ.
 
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But isn’t Aberdeen a “go to guy”?

We’re thin at the guard spot, Oweh is hurt and our PG is hurt. Also our best prospect isn’t there yet. I just don’t see how this has anything to do with a toss up top 10 freshman.

Not worried about defense either. Last year he did what he could with the team he basically had to recruit. I don’t read into it past that. This year we’re in November. Some teams take a second. But the health of the team is legitimate but Mark doesn’t have much to do with that outside of JQ.
If we played a team that had a guy that plays like Aberdeen and lost, every person on the board would be crying about how we need to stop everything we are doing immediately and go get an Aberdeen.
 
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Duke hasn’t won any titles since then either. Wouldn’t you rather look at how champions built their roster rather than the school that does the least with the most?

I don’t think many are realizing or separating this out.
CALIPARI needed top 5 freshman because his system was build around freshman. Therefore you MUST have one that is transcendent.

Pope does not build his teams around freshman. Therefore a legitimate NBA sure fire pick would be great but it’s not necessary like Calipari’s teams were.

Pope might not work but we’re looking at the wrong reasons. And so far all I see, when I don’t over analyze a game just out of October in year 2, is Pope has stepped in and done a really good job and looks promising as a former player and Pitino guy who was needed for this program.
 

RunninRichie

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But isn’t Aberdeen a “go to guy”?

We’re thin at the guard spot, Oweh is hurt and our PG is hurt. Also our best prospect isn’t there yet. I just don’t see how this has anything to do with a toss up top 10 freshman.

Not worried about defense either. Last year he did what he could with the team he basically had to recruit. I don’t read into it past that. This year we’re in November. Some teams take a second. But the health of the team is legitimate but Mark doesn’t have much to do with that outside of JQ.
Really missing JQ. Rim protection isn’t there. Would have beaten UL with JQ. Garrison doesn’t leave his feet half the time.
 

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Our branding is awful. Even getting throwbacks is a monumental task. Kansas and Duke and UL, get sick throwbacks and updated retro logos, fit for modern use. We get told we can’t use our old logos because it looks stretched on a tshirt.

It turns my stomach non stop. It’s almost as if it’s intentional. Then to see Calipari act like looking like **** doesn’t matter made it worse. Add his scoffing at that horrible court.

nothing worse to me than a man who passively cares about nothing. They’re “too cool” to care about that. They are the worst of the worst to me.
 
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Really missing JQ. Rim protection isn’t there. Would have beaten UL with JQ. Garrison doesn’t leave his feet half the time.
100%. I think he thought with passing ability and continuity Garrison was worth it, and as a backup when we’re healthy is probably is. But right now Marino is the guy. Again we’re hurt and it’s early I think unfortunately, although I’d love to be hitting on all cylinders, health and that gel word are needed. Hitting injury bugs have ruined some coaches who would have been great too. It’s a legitimate concern.

It’s why he’ll be given every opportunity here. We need him we have to be careful with it.
 
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RunninRichie

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It turns my stomach non stop. It’s almost as if it’s intentional. Then to see Calipari act like looking like **** doesn’t matter made it worse. Add his scoffing at that horrible court.

nothing worse to me than a man who passively cares about nothing. They’re “too cool” to care about that. They are the worst of the worst to me.
It reeks of Barnhart.

“Mitch how do you feel about fans thinking your new logo. Looks like two birds *******”

“Well, Nike came to my desk with a new idea, and when you look at their body of work over the years, wIth Lebron and things, they really do good stuff. So we felt like as a department it was a good logo, that personified our programs. Now let’s get out there and win at the range. Go rifle”.
 
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We are not even a hat on the table

Mark Pope is bad at recruiting
Uh, no, he’s not. Pope is not going to waste a ton of money on a high school player that may, or may not pan out. Not sure why some fans can’t comprehend this.

He‘s not getting into a bidding war with these high schoolers that only want to go to the highest bidder, and I don’t want these types of players either.
 

Kentucky15

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It reeks of Barnhart.

“Mitch how do you feel about fans thinking your new logo. Looks like two birds *******”

“Well, Nike came to my desk with a new idea, and when you look at their body of work over the years, wIth Lebron and things, they really do good stuff. So we felt like as a department it was a good logo, that personified our programs. Now let’s get out there and win at the range. Go rifle”.

ugh. Can’t stand that sanctimonious bastard. He’s a hack, put in place to bring mediocre results but appear to be killing it. Nobody will ever convince me he’s ever even tried to compete at the highest level. When he didn’t want to hire Calipari twice that showed exactly what we’re dealing with. A hatchet man for the land lords on the board and pres office to keep it out of gray areas winning or not. Most establishment hatchet man I’ve ever seen.

I’m fine if someone doesn’t want to all out cheat. But if you aren’t going to push the envelope to some degree then get out of this conference I’ve said it for 20 years. Barnhart is a Murray level AD. He’s not cut for SEC professional sports. When he says “letterman” I just cringe up and walk out.
 
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Some are framing it like Pope is choosing vets over freshmen but that really isn't true. Last season and this season he has gone really hard over top high school talent but just hasn't been able to land them at this point.