Kentucky Senate Race
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“Faces threat” lol
McConnell is probably funding that’s guys campaign.
McConnell is probably funding that’s guys campaign.
Actually it is. Where do you think any socialist program gets its money?
Social Security from day one was setup so that current workers contributed to pay for current retiree benefits. There is a maximum benefit you can receive regardless of what you have contributed over your lifetime.
How is it any different than if we adopted a single payer healthcare system? You would pay taxes to support the system and derive benefit at any point that you used the system.
I guess one benefit of the government taking over healthcare is our shorter lifespans will help with the looming social security crisis.
I said the same thing when Ann Northrup was facing (sic) John Yarmuth......she brought more money into this area than many before....she was doing things for the West End of Louisville..........what has Yarmuth done...........besides draw a salary.......not only that.....but what has Jones done in his life.....he has has a law degree.....and is a know it all/clown on a radio show............yeah......sounds like a Democrat to me........
Oh......how simplistic.........you even make it sound like it would work........You are wrong......I had cause to camp out at Addenbrooks Hospital in Cambridge England for 51/2 months......because of socialized medicine......the patients family has to keep linens changed on the bed, see to the patients needs, shower/bathe them, and the list goes on........if a family member doesn't live with the patient then they get what they get........old people get very little.......I spent hours in the parents room listening to horror stories.............socialized medicine isn't the panacea that people looking for "something for nothing" thinks it is
Yeah, I guess that's why we are tied with Albania for 37th in life expectancy. [eyeroll]
The data doesn't support your conclusion.
Country Rank LifeExpectancy
Japan 1 83.7
Switzerland 2 83.4
Singapore 3 83.1
Australia 4 82.8
Spain 4 82.8
Iceland 6 82.7
Italy 6 82.7
Israel 8 82.5
France 9 82.4
Sweden 9 82.4
South Korea 11 82.3
Canada 12 82.2
Luxembourg 13 82.0
Netherlands 14 81.9
Norway 15 81.8
Malta 16 81.7
New Zealand 17 81.6
Austria 18 81.5
Ireland 19 81.4
United Kingdom 20 81.2
Belgium 21 81.1
Finland 21 81.1
Portugal 21 81.1
Germany 24 81.0
Greece 24 81.0
Slovenia 26 80.8
Denmark 27 80.6
Chile 28 80.5
Cyprus 28 80.5
Costa Rica 30 79.6
Qatar 31 79.3
Cuba 32 79.1
Czech Republic 33 78.8
Maldives 34 78.5
Panama 35 78.2
Croatia 36 78.0
Albania 37 77.8
Yeah, I guess that's why we are tied with Albania for 37th in life expectancy. [eyeroll]
The data doesn't support your conclusion.
Country Rank LifeExpectancy
Japan 1 83.7
Switzerland 2 83.4
Singapore 3 83.1
Australia 4 82.8
Spain 4 82.8
Iceland 6 82.7
Italy 6 82.7
Israel 8 82.5
France 9 82.4
Sweden 9 82.4
South Korea 11 82.3
Canada 12 82.2
Luxembourg 13 82.0
Netherlands 14 81.9
Norway 15 81.8
Malta 16 81.7
New Zealand 17 81.6
Austria 18 81.5
Ireland 19 81.4
United Kingdom 20 81.2
Belgium 21 81.1
Finland 21 81.1
Portugal 21 81.1
Germany 24 81.0
Greece 24 81.0
Slovenia 26 80.8
Denmark 27 80.6
Chile 28 80.5
Cyprus 28 80.5
Costa Rica 30 79.6
Qatar 31 79.3
Cuba 32 79.1
Czech Republic 33 78.8
Maldives 34 78.5
Panama 35 78.2
Croatia 36 78.0
Albania 37 77.8
United States 37 77.8
What on earth does that have to do with the US government taking over the healthcare system and making things worse for everyone in the US?
Americans are fat, unhealthy, murder each other in large numbers, and a government system would be run by people who think you can pick your own gender and that “healthy at any size” is actual science and not just fat people trying to make their lack of self control socially acceptable.
Aside from that, the point that went over your head, is social security was intended to be a safety net and no one who is my age ever expects the program to be around by the time we retire. It’s a failed program and by no means anything someone should point to when trying to convince others the federal government could manage the healthcare system.
Being someone who actually has a clue how that government system would work since most of our business is government healthcare I can tell you that you haven't a clue. You may fully believe what you say...you have no clue about what you are saying.
The current healthcare system has no incentive for you to be healthy...they profit from your lack of health.
I’ve asked you this many times before, and you’ve dodged.
Name one single industry where increased federal government involvement have made things better and or cheaper for the consumer. Name just one.
So? Should people be pulled off the air for criticizing elected officials? Again - you either believe in free speech or you don't.
Exhibit 1 is healthcare. You can't present me 1 universal care system that is more costly.
Exhibit 2 would be education. The cost has increased as government has removed itself as the primary funding mechanism.
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Exhibit 1. Exactly, you dumbass. The US federal government is intimately involved with the US healthcare system. Of course it’s expensive. (Edit: and the whole universal healthcare point as it exists in other countries has been debunked a billion times before in the political thread)
Exhibit 2. Clearly the education system failed you. A generation of people are living under trillions of dollars of worthless student loan debt due to the federal government involvement in the education system. Costs have far, far, far outpaced inflation. And the quality is ****.
No problem with free speech but that doesn't mean you can use media that someone else owns at your beck and call.. We can criticize elected officials all we want. However, there are campaign rules that must be followed. Business, such as the radio station, producers, sponsors, whatever have the right to decide what is on their stations. Has nothing to do with free speech. If he wants to go out on the street corner right now and blast away at other pols, he can do so.
If you haven't listened to his Podcast, I recommend you do. Matt Jones shed quite a bit of light on the situation and it was great. Most of what he said made a lot of sense. If what he said is true, which I tend to think it is, then he was not pulled off the show because he was using it to campaign. The RPK argument was that he was being paid by IHeart and the book publisher while he was touring the state and they should be considered campaign contributers even though they weren't paying his cost to tour the state. Jones made he statement that he was doing his job. If the RPK argument held any weight, then no one would be able to run for office unless they either quit their job or at the very least took a leave of absence. Mitch really looks petty here and I think he realizes they made a mistake.
1) A bunch of like minded people agreeing to something doesn't make anything "debunked".
2) You clearly fail to see the chicken that laid the egg that became the student loan crisis. Lending limits were increased in reaction to rising tuitions brought on by reduced contributions by states to higher education. Federal student loans have been around since the 1950s. It wasn't until the 80s that tuitions started to take off which goes hand-in-hand with when states started pulling back on their contributions to higher ed.
1) Facts make it debunked.
2) Anything else pretty big happen right before the 1980s? Maybe the federal government changed the laws to make it more difficult to discharge student loans in bankruptcy?
I've clearly shown you don't know anything about anything, the first thing about the first thing and have no qualms whatsoever in embarrassing you likewise in the future. Here, you like to compare the US to Albanian socialist health outcomes where 50% of their people smoke 3 packs a day; let's look at another one country full of smokers in Greece which is a perfectly capable country, the cradle of our civilization, ruined by socialist delusions where real people pay the price. What actually happens when the rubber hits the road and your policies fail and kill people. What exists in the extremes just exists to lesser a degree until the ticking time bomb you created in your arrogance and naivete goes tock.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/01/patients-dying-greece-public-health-meltdown
Patients who should live are dying': Greece's public health meltdown
Seven years of austerity have seen hospitals become ‘danger zones’, doctors say, with many fearing worse is to come
Helena Smith in Athens
Sun 1 Jan 2017 18.37 GMT Last modified on Tue 28 Nov 2017 08.21 GMT
A nurse in an Athens hospital. Many doctors and nurses in Greece work overtime to keep the system afloat. Photograph: Aris Messinis/AFP/Getty Images
Rising mortality rates, an increase in life-threatening infections and a shortage of staff and medical equipment are crippling Greece’s health system as the country’s dogged pursuit of austerity hammers the weakest in society.
Data and anecdote, backed up by doctors and trade unions, suggest the EU’s most chaotic state is in the midst of a public health meltdown. “In the name of tough fiscal targets, people who might otherwise survive are dying,” said Michalis Giannakos who heads the Panhellenic Federation of Public Hospital Employees. “Our hospitals have become danger zones.”
Figures released by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control recently revealed that about 10% of patients in Greece were at risk of developing potentially fatal hospital infections, with an estimated 3,000 deaths attributed to them.
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The occurrence rate was dramatically higher in intensive care units and neonatal wards, the body said. Although the data referred to outbreaks between 2011 and 2012 – the last official figures available – Giannakos said the problem had only got worse.
Like other medics who have worked in the Greek national health system since its establishment in 1983, the union chief blamed lack of personnel, inadequate sanitation and absence of cleaning products for the problems. Cutbacks had been exacerbated by overuse of antibiotics, he said.
“For every 40 patients there is just one nurse,” he said, mentioning the case of an otherwise healthy woman who died last month after a routine leg operation in a public hospital on Zakynthos. “Cuts are such that even in intensive care units we have lost 150 beds.”
“Frequently, patients are placed on beds that have not been disinfected. Staff are so overworked they don’t have time to wash their hands and often there is no antiseptic soap anyway.”
No other sector has been affected to the same extent by Greece’s economic crisis. Bloated, profligate and corrupt, for many healthcare was indicative of all that was wrong with the country and, as such, badly in need of reform.
Acknowledging the shortfalls, the government announced last month that it planned to appoint more than 8,000 doctors and nurses in 2017.
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Since 2009, per capita spending on public health has been cut by nearly a third – more than €5bn (£4.3bn) – according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. By 2014, public expenditure had fallen to 4.7% of GDP, from a pre-crisis high of 9.9%. More than 25,000 staff have been laid off, with supplies so scarce that hospitals often run out of medicines, gloves, gauze and sheets.
In early December Giannakos, a nurse by training, led a protest march, which started at the grimy building housing the health ministry and ended outside the neoclassical office of the prime minister, Alexis Tsipras. At the ministry, hospital technicians erected a breeze-block wall and from it hung a placard with the words: “The ministry has moved to Brussels.”
Few advanced western economies have enacted fiscal adjustment on the scale of Greece. In the six years since it received the first of three bailouts to keep bankruptcy at bay, the country has enforced draconian belt-tightening in return for more than €300bn in emergency loans. The loss of more than 25% of national output – and a recession that has seen ever more people resorting to primary health care – has compounded the corrosive effects of cuts that in the case of public hospitals have often been as indiscriminate as they are deep.
Pressure to meet creditor-mandated budget targets means that in 2016 alone, expenditure on the sector has declined by €350m under the stewardship of Syriza, the leftist party that had once railed against austerity, said Giannakos, citing government figures.
More than 2.5 million Greeks have been left without any healthcare coverage. Shortages of spare parts are such that scanning machines and other sophisticated diagnostic equipment have become increasingly faulty. Basic blood tests are no longer conducted at most hospitals because laboratory expenditure has been pared back. Wage cuts have worsened the low morale.
“The biggest problem is shortage of staff because people are retired and never replaced,” said Dr Yiannis Papadatos, who runs the intensive care unit of one of the three paediatric hospitals in Athens. “Then there’s the problem of equipment and, periodically, lack of supplies like gloves, catheters, and cleaning tissues.”
Small acts of heroism have done much to keep the broken system afloat: doctors and nurses work overtime, with donors and philanthropists also helping.
Papadatos said: “I was brought up partly in Kenya by parents who emphasised the virtues of helping others. These days I spend a lot of time going round asking friends, or the private sector, for help when our hospital runs out of supplies. The monitors we use to track heart rhythms, blood pressure, that sort of thing, were all donated. People like to give. It makes them feel good.”
Unionists argue that healthcare is an easy target because successive governments have refused to properly tackle tax evasion, the biggest drain on public coffers. In a rare public admission, the International Monetary Fund recently conceded that cuts had been so brutal “basic public services such as transport and healthcare are being compromised”.
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But at a time when the Greek debt crisis has flared again, after Tsipras’s controversial announcement of a series of welfare benefits, there are many who fear worse is to come.
One of them is British-trained Dr Michalis Samarakos, who believes that while the health system is in need of further reform it also runs the risk of running out of specialists and clinical trainees. Already there has been a massive exodus of doctors abroad, mostly to Germany and the UK, as a result of lack of opportunity.
“The best are leaving because their potential cannot be developed here,” he said. “I can see it teaching sixth-year students at Athens University, everyone wants a reference, everyone wants to go.
“It’s become a growing problem. We don’t have nephrologists, for example, because there are no prospects for specialists, either in or out of the system [in private practice].
“Trainee doctors are the backbone of any hospital – without them hospitals can’t function. Unless there is a big change, I worry greatly that things can only become worse.”
1) You haven't provided any facts. Opinions maybe, facts...no.
2) So your supposition is that the states systematically raised tuition and lowered their contributions to higher education because more student loan money was available and more difficult to discharge in bankruptcy?
How did the ability to discharge a student loan in bankruptcy affect state decisions? State universities and colleges wouldn't be liable and eating those discharged debts. That would fall on the lien holder.
I've only provided real facts and real analysis of data, unlike your inane correlation equals causality argument.
Your paper pushing at an HMO doesn't qualify you to some special insight, in fact I have shown repeatedly you can't think at all outside of your ideology dictating every thought you have. Why even come pollute this thread to with your nonsense? Medicare4all isn't a main issueof the kentucky senate race
Your paper pushing at an HMO doesn't qualify you to some special insight, in fact I have shown repeatedly you can't think at all outside of your ideology dictating every thought you have. Why even come pollute this thread to with your nonsense? Medicare4all isn't a main issueof the kentucky senate race
1) look at the post immediately above yours, you dunce. And go back through the politician thread to see the many times your failing argument has been debunked
2) No, you moron. You should take an economics lesson. The connection between mountains of funds being available for ignorant children to spend on tuition and the increase in tuition rates is so goddam basic that if you can’t understand it, there’s no point in teaching you Econ 101.
People from Greece going to Germany and UK...don't those two countries also have universal care?
Greece where their per capita GNP is less than half of the US.
People leaving a relatively poor country and going to more affluent ones... a tale as old as time. Greece has had a severe recession in recent years. What happens here when we experience recession?
It is interesting that when trying to argue you always make it a point to try and select the worse cases and not the best or the ones "more like us". We can write the same X number of people died due to lack of care stories right here in the USA.
I'll leave you with this. The public debt of Sweden is 38% of GDP, Switzerland is 27%...Greece 181%, public debt of the US is 106% of GDP. If Greece's problems are because of their healthcare system, why do other European countries not have the same problems? The same financial crisis?
You argue as if your anecdotes are universally true. They are not. Economies fluctuate and chances are that at any given time one or more will be in recession. Given that most nations follow a universal care model the odds are good that at any given time there will be one or more in recession. Cherry-picking doesn't prove cause-and-effect.
No cherries were picked and I've already talked ad nauseum about other countries (Denmark).
It's like you have the memory of a goldfish.
No, you lack the integrity (just like Warren) to have serious discussion and are not worth mine nor anyone else's time.
It's like you have the memory of a goldfish.
No, you lack the integrity (just like Warren) to have serious discussion and are not worth mine nor anyone else's time.
1) dude's anecdotes don't = facts
2) ...isn't that exactly what I said? (So your supposition is that the states systematically raised tuition and lowered their contributions to higher education because more student loan money was available and more difficult to discharge in bankruptcy?) Thanks for walking right into that one... although I'm still trying to figure how the inability discharging debt affected state decisions...it would bring more lenders to the table.
States reduced their commitments and proceeded to turn a valuable public asset into a profit center because the product being sold is necessary at most any price...just like healthcare. Which is why providers can continue to raise prices and universities raise tuition. It doesn't matter what it costs, you have to have it therefore the usually laws of supply and demand don't work. Supply has the monopoly to demand what it wants.
Yet you can never answer the questions asked when your 2 and 2 don't equal 4.
I've only ever answered your objections as anyone can see and knows it to be true. I can answer anything you can come up wrt to this nonsense.
Some of them are so stupid I just don't want to waste my time typing, for example ofcourse Greek doctors' flight was to Germany and UK as those are EU states they can quickly and easily migrate to for better pay. What happens when our economy has recession? Well, people aren't dying because the government has rationed healthcare to the point people die because they are getting infections in unwashed sheets. Yet
The board has a search function, remember. Part of my point is indeed you can't even recognize a good argument when you see one as you are so entrenched in illogical thinking. You can't recognize when 2 plus 2 is or isn't four, when the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and what happens when you blissfully ignore all data that doesn't fit your ideological agenda. I have talked about all countries and all systems vis a vis this American socialist nonsense you spew. Why would you lie as if I haven't? I talked about Greece because it borders Albania and they smoke like chimneys and they still live longer than us in spite of bad socialized healthcare for a bunch of reasons which relate to my previous arguments. It is the very fact that you make such statements as "the data doesn't support that conclusion" by a single list shows to me and anyone who knows how to think that you simply can't do it or don't know how.
You don't know what you don't know, and you don't want to know that you don't know it.
Some of them are so stupid I just don't want to waste my time typing, for example ofcourse Greek doctors' flight was to Germany and UK as those are EU states they can quickly and easily migrate to for better pay. What happens when our economy has recession? Well, people aren't dying because the government has rationed healthcare to the point people die because they are getting infections in unwashed sheets. Yet
The board has a search function, remember. Part of my point is indeed you can't even recognize a good argument when you see one as you are so entrenched in illogical thinking. You can't recognize when 2 plus 2 is or isn't four, when the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and what happens when you blissfully ignore all data that doesn't fit your ideological agenda. I have talked about all countries and all systems vis a vis this American socialist nonsense you spew. Why would you lie as if I haven't? I talked about Greece because it borders Albania and they smoke like chimneys and they still live longer than us in spite of bad socialized healthcare for a bunch of reasons which relate to my previous arguments. It is the very fact that you make such statements as "the data doesn't support that conclusion" by a single list shows to me and anyone who knows how to think that you simply can't do it or don't know how.
You don't know what you don't know, and you don't want to know that you don't know it.
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Social security is a ponzi scheme. I could take the same amount I put in and get a larger return on my own. In short, its stealing. But the govt doesnt think I'm responsible enough to handle my own money.
You bought this this emotional Jones ********, but I'll pass. Jone's job provides a huge campaign advantage. Your average person doesn't have a media gig with thousands of listeners.
But that has nothing to do with the FEC, the FCC enforces the equal time rule not the FEC. If McConnell was truly worried about his radio show, he would have filed a complaint with the FCC not the FEC who regulates primarily campaign contributions. You can call it emotional ******** all you want, but what he said was based on the facts of what happened.
I thought this had to do with corporations paying for him to travel around the state and campaign against McConnell, not McConnell wanting equal time on the radio. Seems like that would be FEC prerogative, and Jones may be misleading you.
And you are buying into this BS. Is this why the fly girl complained to WLEX? They did not fire Jones over anything McConnell said or did.
Jones should drop this and endorse McConnell. McConnell is pushing through conservative judges at light year speed which is the most important thing on America's agenda. When Trump stacks the court baby killing may come to a screeching halt. Isn't that a good thing?
that’s where you are wrong. They weren’t paying him to campaign. They were paying him to do his job. He was paying all expenses of his tour. Simon and Shuster were paying him to right a book. He chose to go to every county to research the book on his own and paid for it out of his own pocket. The radio show had nothing to do with the trips other than he did the shows from the counties he was in. They didn’t pay for him to go to the counties either. If he was campaigning, and that’s a big if, he was doing it on his own dime because he financed the tour himself. If it wasn’t an equal time issue, they would have asked for verification that he was paying for the tour himself and not kicked him off a radio show that had nothing to do with why he was traveling the state in the first place.
it’s not a good thing if you believe in a woman’s right and her autonomy to choose for herself. It’s not a good thing if you don’t think your beliefs should be forced on other people.
So I could pay Mitch McConnell $5 million for a book about how his political opponent sucks, so long as McConnell wasn’t running yet wink wink, and as long as McConnell was the one cutting the checks while traveling around the state talking about how bad the guy he isn’t running against yet is, we’d be all good?
According to campaign finance laws as in place, you could. We can argue all day long as to whether they are appropriate or not. The flip side is what if Matt never went anywhere to write his book. You can guarantee that Mitch would still be a chicken **** and file a complaint.
Until Jones actually declares for the race, Mitch isn’t a political opponent. He’s just someone that Matt is researching for a book about how he has done nothing for the state. He can’t help coal jobs in KY but he sure has been paid well to assist in coal coming in from Colombia.
just admit that you are anti-Jones. It’s ok that you are. Mitch has latched onto a BS complaint that can’t even be heard because the FEC doesn’t have the proper number of members smokey because Mitch has refused to approve any even if nominated by Trump. That tells you all you need to know about Mitch. He has held this country politically hostage for years. Everyone says his putting conservative judges on the bench is the most important thing. I disagree. The most important thing is letting those elected do what they were elected to do even if you don’t like the outcomes. Mitch refuses to let most of Congress do that. That is a slap in the face of the system that the founding fathers designed and for that reason alone he needs to go whether he is beaten by a Republican or a Democrat.
Until Jones actually declares for the race, Mitch isn’t a political opponent. He’s just someone that Matt is researching for a book about how he has done nothing for the state. He can’t help coal jobs in KY but he sure has been paid well to assist in coal coming in from Colombia.
just admit that you are anti-Jones. It’s ok that you are. Mitch has latched onto a BS complaint that can’t even be heard because the FEC doesn’t have the proper number of members smokey because Mitch has refused to approve any even if nominated by Trump. That tells you all you need to know about Mitch. He has held this country politically hostage for years. Everyone says his putting conservative judges on the bench is the most important thing. I disagree. The most important thing is letting those elected do what they were elected to do even if you don’t like the outcomes. Mitch refuses to let most of Congress do that. That is a slap in the face of the system that the founding fathers designed and for that reason alone he needs to go whether he is beaten by a Republican or a Democrat.