Kevin Scarbinsky and Doug Secrest mock Dan Mullen
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a better nucleus of players than us. Nick Fairley was a beast. We wouldn't of made the SEC Championship even with Cam. We beat Auburn and Arkansas but still lose to LSU and Bama. Think that puts us against Ohio State and Pryor. We lose that also finishing 10-3. Auburn suffers greatly though going 7-6 range. I realize that contradicts my first sentence in a way but that's how I see it playing out.
With the uphill battle that we face, I believe it is highly unlikely that we will be SEC football champs in my lifetime.I also expect any outsiders to have an even more negative view about State's odds of winning the SEC/national championship. With that said, it is unthinkable that we would pay a man $2 mil a year and him not do everything in his power to at least give the appearance that he was doing his best to win the SEC championship.
What do these guys think Mullen--or any SEC head coach at UK, VU, SC, UM, MSU--is supposed to say? "Well, we're never gonna win big, so we are anticipating a mid level bowl each year. Please don't consider us as in the running for the SEC championship. Since we know it will never happen, we're not even gonna have that as a goal." Of course, Mullen knows better than anyone how unlikely it is, but there is nothing else for him to publicly say. For those guys to jump on that as if it's crazy for Mullen to say that makes them sound more like Bama sidewalk alums than like journalists. (I didn't hear what they said, just read the original post above.)
What do these guys think Mullen--or any SEC head coach at UK, VU, SC, UM, MSU--is supposed to say? "Well, we're never gonna win big, so we are anticipating a mid level bowl each year. Please don't consider us as in the running for the SEC championship. Since we know it will never happen, we're not even gonna have that as a goal." Of course, Mullen knows better than anyone how unlikely it is, but there is nothing else for him to publicly say. For those guys to jump on that as if it's crazy for Mullen to say that makes them sound more like Bama sidewalk alums than like journalists. (I didn't hear what they said, just read the original post above.)
especially given the way that the SEC refs consistently shaft us in SEC games on judgement calls (and even on 4th down measurement non-judgement calls) plus it appears that Dan Mullen refuses to cut corners on recruiting. That means that beyond our built in limitations in things like budget and winning tradition, we also are at a disadvantage on getting a fair shake from the SEC officials and in recruiting the talent we need to win a championship because I can assure you we are in the minority in this conference if we are determined to recruit the elite players strictly by the book. That's a LOT to overcome but hey in 1998 we were 6 minutes from an SEC championship and though Jackie did likely cut some corners in recruiting, we weren't exactly reeling in top 25 recruiting classes under him either. And I believe it will cycle around to where LSU, Bama, Ark and Auburn won't be Top 15 teams every year.
First, Awbarn is as lame as Ole Piss Webels Pitiful. Funny on Gene's Page maybe.
Second, you act like last year was Awbarn's only championship. They won another one in 2004 under Tuberville, and several under Dye in the 80s.
I'm all for Mullen, but until he actually beats one of these four Western Division teams, he's going to open himself up to this kind of stuff.
Second, you act like last year was Awbarn's only championship. They won another one in 2004 under Tuberville, and several under Dye in the 80s.
I'm all for Mullen, but until he actually beats one of these four Western Division teams, he's going to open himself up to this kind of stuff.
One of the reasons that I like Mullen a lot is because I'm a big believer in focusing on the things that you can control, and he seems to have the same philosophy. He doesn't ***** and moan about having three FBS teams in the state, the Mississippi school systems, or even gameday officiating(at least not often). The problem, though, is that while I like that in a head coach, those hurdles are still there and they're significant.
It's great that we're building new facilities and finally filling DWS, but we're in recruiting battles against countless teams that have national titles on their resume, absolutely ridiculous stadiums/facilities, NFL hall of famers left and right, and college towns that are considered to be some of the best in the country. Not to mention that even the schools that don't exist in talent rich states have an utter stranglehold on the talent that is there. I think that Byrne/Stricklin/Mullen have done an admirable job in doing what they have. There is now a vision that I've never witnessed in my lifetime as an MSU fan, but it's still not a level playing field and I can't imagine how it ever will be. It is going to take a perfect storm to get us back to the SEC championship.
I keep hearing that we're either going to have to cheat or win consistently to start getting high profile recruits, but I'm still skeptical. Even if we do churn out another 9 wins this year, I don't know that I see much change other than maybe snagging a couple more of those 50/50 guys from schools like Ole Miss or UT. Not trying to be a wet blanket, but my point is that I think we're going to have to get used to being happy with 7-9 win seasons because that's pretty much the peak as I see it.
It's great that we're building new facilities and finally filling DWS, but we're in recruiting battles against countless teams that have national titles on their resume, absolutely ridiculous stadiums/facilities, NFL hall of famers left and right, and college towns that are considered to be some of the best in the country. Not to mention that even the schools that don't exist in talent rich states have an utter stranglehold on the talent that is there. I think that Byrne/Stricklin/Mullen have done an admirable job in doing what they have. There is now a vision that I've never witnessed in my lifetime as an MSU fan, but it's still not a level playing field and I can't imagine how it ever will be. It is going to take a perfect storm to get us back to the SEC championship.
I keep hearing that we're either going to have to cheat or win consistently to start getting high profile recruits, but I'm still skeptical. Even if we do churn out another 9 wins this year, I don't know that I see much change other than maybe snagging a couple more of those 50/50 guys from schools like Ole Miss or UT. Not trying to be a wet blanket, but my point is that I think we're going to have to get used to being happy with 7-9 win seasons because that's pretty much the peak as I see it.
Good leadership (vision, hiring coaches, uniting fanbase, PR, SCHEDULING, etc) is crucial. It appears we now have that. So, lets not go crazy if we have a tough loss to one of the SEC titans. We are on the right course--the only reasonable course. Just win the winnable games, win bowl games, and take advantage the next time the SEC West titans are down like in the late 90's. This is all we can do.In the meantime, Mullen should proclaim far and wide our loftiest goals. What big time recruit wants to play for an SEC coach telling them that winning the SEC is out of the question?
the responses here, as far as I know, were strictly to Mullen's comments about winning the championships. And I'm glad he has those goals. Just because I might currently be satisfied with 7 to 8 win seasons I don't know that I want my coach to be satisfied with that.
it's weeding out the douchebags. They look the same if you actually are a douchebag, but to normal people the difference is night and day.