our program is in worse shape now, than it was pre Kragthorpe when they were considering down grading to D2
Kevin Wilson
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I don’t agree with that statement. Our talent level is better now but young. Not saying a change isn’t warranted but we are not Burns level.
No it isn't thrower of dung against the wall. It is not Burns bad, it is not at the levels it was at then. Everybody quit using superlatives when they are not warranted. Any low point in the program is not as bad as the worst. Quit the woe is me act. Everybody needs to quit speaking from their emotional side except aTUfan. The side everybody else should be accessing is their rational side.
And this is why I still have hope. The right coach (Kragthorpe) took the mess that Burns left behind and had us in a bowl game the first year with a conference championship two years after that.
The right coach can fix this mess too, it just doesn’t look like we picked the right guy this time. I just hope we don’t wait too long to retry.
We are not anywhere near Burns level. Now is the product on the field ***? Yes. Is coaching ***? Yes. BUT the program/athletic department overall is in a much better place than it was during the burns era. That doesn’t mean it’s good, but we’re not rock bottom like we were then.
Do not misconstrue what I’m saying as things are good… because they aren’t.
Do not misconstrue what I’m saying as things are good… because they aren’t.
Burns I believe had the honor of being essentially name enemy of The Oklahoma Coaches Association and wasn't allowed in a good number of schools to do any recruiting. The states coaches like Wilson, and it's allowed him to bring in some of the states best high school talent.
It's not Burns bad, but it damn sure needs to improve in a hurry. Ditching the DC would be a good start; not sure how we can be that bad....
Lest I remind you N Texas was probably the 3rd toughest team on our schedule. The only team left on our schedule that is as tough as N Texas or tougher is Army. Then it gets way easier. We could pick up three wins in a row after Army.(Temple, UTSA, UAB) Then we'd be one win away from a bowl. E Carolina & USF are not that great. And FAU is about at the level of Temple, UTSA, UAB. A bowl is not by any means out of the question. Especially if the team improves.
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I was worried about our offense when the season started, but not because of the skill positions. I was worried about the defensive line too, but it appears those worries were not needed. If our OL comes out better by the time we play Temple, thru 6 games of experience then our offense should pick itself up against Temple. That'll be about the time that some of the Freshman stop playing like freshmen.
so are you of the mindset he should get another year and you think getting older will solve the problems? Honestly asking
Not really, but he will be given at least another year. We only have a real chance of getting 6 wins because the league is really crappy. I think getting older might solve some of the problems. I think between Francis & Carpenter, we have a decent QB on the roster. I think he needs the young OL to grow up, and bring in a fuller roster of OL next year, with a few better transfers(not easy in today's environment w/out nil)
I think he needs to let our very young DB's grow up, and ditch several of them in the offseason. It really pisses me off that the DC we had left us in the learch, going to Indiana at the last minute. I think if Wilson thinks he can get a better DC then he should do so, but not just fire the one we've got to get one that is the same or worse. We really have a decent DL, which is an amazing recruiting job. I hope nobody goes after DB Green next year.
I think we won't have a decent coaching pool to pick from if we can Wilson after year 2, and I think we should use next year to gauge whether this year was caused by a young team, as much or more than Wilson's coaching ability. I think we should seriously be having this conversation after game 7 next year. I think that the reaction after this game is not serious and is a knee jerk reaction.
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I have said before any team on our schedule but 1 could beat us and we probably can beat every team on our schedule but possibly 1. The key is to have a good game plan, not make mistakes and have good in game adjustments. I still believe that. Unfortunately our offensive game plans have not yielded the success we need and our O-line is young and not providing us with consistent good running lines or pass protection. The special teams coverage and protection has sucked. The defense has had decent games plans, except OSU (chose to sell out against run vs. pass) but our in game defensive adjustments were not good against ASU, LTU or NTU. Special teams coach needs to be removed and give the job to another assistant. The D-coordinator should be replaced at the end of the season. Wilson should turn the play calling over to Spurrier (I suspect Wilson is calling the plays). You can’t do both jobs. If you want to be the HC be the HC not the OC.
Whether they are right or not, I think he should continue to call the jerks D-Bag Clowns. I think it has kitsch for him to ignore the teams performance and throw insults regardless of reality.
but now we are being left out of all the conference D1 realignment conversation.
KDub talks all the time about changing the "culture" here (no discipline-penalties, and the worst grades in the AACK! and the country from Monty's years and, and developing young players.....27 3-star recruits from HS-most of which are playing now. I give him one more year to get this straightened out. But there needs to be a change in that special teams coach &/or personnel, now!
The long and short of things is that he signed a five year contract and not a shorter three year contract. We're in year two and he's accomplished a couple of the primary goals he was hired to do. One, get kids to class and improve the academic disaster left by Monty and two, improve recruiting. He was also hired to win football games and we have yet to see that, which will be the nail in his coffin if the doesn't start happening in a hurry. He'll get another year based on the previous and the fact that he has three years left on his contract and, this is speculation, the buyout and cost of the man that would replace him would be prohibitive.
I don’t believe I ever stated that it was $1 million per game on tailgates. If I posted something that implied that, please accept my apology for the imprecision. However, the university has spent in excess of that on game day improvements, including Homecoming and lots of stuff you don’t notice besides free hot dogs. The funding for those events comes from a variety of sources.
Endowment funds, whether the corpus or investment proceeds, restricted or unrestricted, typically cannot be spent on athletic department contract buy outs for reasons too lengthy to detail here.
I hope this helps.
Endowment funds, whether the corpus or investment proceeds, restricted or unrestricted, typically cannot be spent on athletic department contract buy outs for reasons too lengthy to detail here.
I hope this helps.
He asked me for my opinion on him, and I didn't feel like getting terribly creative with 1000 ways to say I think.
So I didn't.
Wilson’s previous record as a head coach should have been a major red flag. Why fire Monty only to hire another loser?
Nobody who actually lived through the Burns era could say this is as bad as we were then.
When I first read this, I thought you meant that KW getting a year older might help. I was like, what?? But I get it now. I don't see how we could give KW less than 3 years for the reasons you and others mention in your other posts.
I don't get the people who support Konkol but want KW fired. This is obviously damning KW with faint praise, but I think KW has been better than Konkol. They're both at about 35% win rate but FB has played a higher % of body bag games.
Whoever was in charge of our last set of hiring shouldn't be allowed in the same time zone as our next selection committee.
Whoever was in charge of our last set of hiring shouldn't be allowed in the same time zone as our next selection committee.
The D2 talk is stupid... at one time, i might have considered it an option.. but, we cant afford to run a full athletic program funding all title ix requirements without the media $ that a D1 program brings in... my son played D3 baseball and the funding provided by the school was minimal, we raised money like a travel ball team to fund operations.. their FB team played in an empty HS stadium... we have marginal D1 facilities, but they will look like a slum in a few years without maintenance $$ and 500 fans per game wont pay that..
We're not nearly as bad as the Burns era but to quote Marcellus Wallace, "we're pretty f***in' far from ok."
Our first #1 choice, the guy from Arkysaw, got fired from Misery and he's 13-5 at UNLV, tied for conference title last year and is 4-0 and ranked. I'm not sure your rule is a general rule.
It hurts when you get stuck in the "we know he's bad and he won't get better but we can't afford to fire him" cycle that we've been in for both FB and BB.
Ya I really don’t understand the Konkol extension, why would you extend it when he hasn’t done anything special yet
Well, I was thinking Monty, Haith and Woj! I hope you end up not being right.
Same here ! At least with Konkol , his 2nd year was much improved then the first year, Kevin Wilson is in a major downfall
Konkol at least has a historic track record of running a competent program at La Tech….
Wilson sucked at here just as bad or worse than he did at his last stop.
Wilson sucked at here just as bad or worse than he did at his last stop.
Meh, Konkol was better in a much, much worse conference. KW was worse in a much harder conference and much worse program. I'd say their track records, all things considered, were pretty similar.
Had a blast last weekend in Phoenix watching the Detroit Lions/ AZ Cards game. And they played another very entertaining game last night vs the Seahawks.
Is college football done this season yet? I haven't been paying attention.
Is college football done this season yet? I haven't been paying attention.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I prefer the NFL because of player loyalty and team continuity.
I would say we had two relatively good years among the many bad. We even spent six weeks in the top 25.
I like the NFL just because they are up front about getting paid.. college plays the game pretending that they are "student athletes".. seriously.. at any level other than D2 & D3 and a few smaller D1 programs, these kids are pseudo pro right now. The programs are pseudo pro with GM's and massive media contracts.. the players play potentially 15 games per year.. i dont blame the kids for chasing the bag.
And one of the biggest reasons for those 6 weeks is sitting in Waco, TX coaching high school football.