It seems that Robert Kirby will be a thorn in Coach Stansbury's side for some time to come. Gavin Ware states that Georgetown is in the lead for his services. Georgetown is also in the running for Devonta Pollard out of Kemper County. Gavin Ware statements in this article about Georgetown gettting him NBA ready seems similar to what Tyler Adams said last year during his recruitment. Pollard states that location will not be an issue with his college choice. It's obvious that Kirby is using certain verbiage like this against Coach Stansbury. My question is, who has Coach Kirby (who coached the big men when he was with us) ever coached that is in the NBA? That question seems to be a moot point now that Georgetown has hired Othella Harrington( former Georgetown great, and Jackson native, and NBA veteran) as apart of their staff. It could be tough to land Jackson area big men from here on out. What do you guys think?
Kirby Will Be A Thorn For Coach Stansbury
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It seems that Robert Kirby will be a thorn in Coach Stansbury's side for some time to come. Gavin Ware states that Georgetown is in the lead for his services. Georgetown is also in the running for Devonta Pollard out of Kemper County. Gavin Ware statements in this article about Georgetown gettting him NBA ready seems similar to what Tyler Adams said last year during his recruitment. Pollard states that location will not be an issue with his college choice. It's obvious that Kirby is using certain verbiage like this against Coach Stansbury. My question is, who has Coach Kirby (who coached the big men when he was with us) ever coached that is in the NBA? That question seems to be a moot point now that Georgetown has hired Othella Harrington( former Georgetown great, and Jackson native, and NBA veteran) as apart of their staff. It could be tough to land Jackson area big men from here on out. What do you guys think?
The success of baseball and football is causing the complete lack of quality and the total lack of competency in running a basketball program to really stand out. And I get overly pissed off just thinking about it.
In my opinion, bury had better have his *** worried about more than Georgetown's bagman. Anthony Grant is establishing something 90 miles east. And he's a competent floor coach in addition to being an up and coming recruiter.
In my opinion, bury had better have his *** worried about more than Georgetown's bagman. Anthony Grant is establishing something 90 miles east. And he's a competent floor coach in addition to being an up and coming recruiter.
and this has me worried big time. I saw Grant at Starkville High not to long ago rubbing elbows with Ware. Shumley is right though, Grant seems to be a good coach and also recruiter.
I was thinking more along the lines as Kirby was Coach Stansbury's Ace for recruiting, now that he's left, he seems to only target players in our area that we go after. If Anthony Grant duplicates his success from last year, I'll start to worry more about him. It just kind of irks me about Kirby though.
Just kidding. I see your point but Stansbury still managed to bring in one of the better classes we have ever had without Kirby this year. We have always had some of the big boy schools in our backyard when we have nationally ranked recruits. If it wasn't Kirby then it would have been someone else.
Understandably, Kirby was brought to Georgetown to recruit the South; however, there are plenty of great players in the South. He is locked straight on Mississippi. Another thing, since they brought in Othella Harrington, you would guess they won't need Kirby much longer. As you stated, Kirby is definitely is not at Georgetown for his coaching ability.
I'd think that even while he was a coach at MSU he was scouting, visiting, and recruiting these guys when they were sophomores in highschool. So even after he left to go to GT he had already built relationships with these guys. Esp Ware who was in his back yard.<div>
</div><div>So after a year or so will he no longer have the deep contacts or relationships with the Mississippi recruits and he'll focus his attention elsewhere?</div>
</div><div>So after a year or so will he no longer have the deep contacts or relationships with the Mississippi recruits and he'll focus his attention elsewhere?</div>
counting the 4 years at Northwestern State is a joke- %%!+%!*+@% never spent any time coaching at Belmont
His 5 years at Kentucky were like him taking over Mississippi in basketball and winning the SEC- something they have never done before.
So, to be fair about it- you can say he is 1 for 8- but the guy has taken over 2 extreme rebuilding jobs and done really well with them- it's pretty impressive
His 5 years at Kentucky were like him taking over Mississippi in basketball and winning the SEC- something they have never done before.
So, to be fair about it- you can say he is 1 for 8- but the guy has taken over 2 extreme rebuilding jobs and done really well with them- it's pretty impressive
If Stansbury had made the Sweet Sixteen at a smaller school before he came here, would that really change how you feel about him as our coach? Assuming it wouldn't, you can't hold the opposite situation against Cohen.
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</p><p class="post-count"><span>Posts</span>: 5595</p><p class="post-date"><span class="date">12/01/10</span> <span class="time">01:43 PM</span></p></div></td><td class="lastcol post-content" colspan="4"><div class="post-body"><div class="scrolling"><div>There I said it. It has only taken Cohen 2 years to exceed the number of losing records that Stansbury has had in 13 years. You got me. Does our baseball team look better to you than it did 3 years ago? I couldn't stand Polk and I thought Cohen would be a good hire but he has not improved jackshit and needs to go if he does not get over .500 this year.Danhandled5 said:
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I dont give 2 ***** what they did elsewhere. We could hire jim calhoun in bball and if he had the last three years stans has Id be ready for him to pack his **** too.
I just cant grasp how there is anyone left defending stans...last year, on top of the others, was embarassing. It went WAAYYYYY beyond stans continued lack of knowledge on the court. Our off the court issues were embarassing. I mean we have them every year but what happened last year is inexcusable. Stans should have been on the flights back with sid and bailey and his fate should have been the same as baileys.
This is do or die this season. He has NO excuse this year...none.
I just cant grasp how there is anyone left defending stans...last year, on top of the others, was embarassing. It went WAAYYYYY beyond stans continued lack of knowledge on the court. Our off the court issues were embarassing. I mean we have them every year but what happened last year is inexcusable. Stans should have been on the flights back with sid and bailey and his fate should have been the same as baileys.
This is do or die this season. He has NO excuse this year...none.
The fact that you guys can't see the difference in how much harder it is to make the Sweet 16 in basketball compared to baseball is mind numbing, comparing the two is apples to oranges.
Basically the only people we're competing with in baseball would be the top half of the ACC, Big 12, and Pac 12 and a few other random schools. When's the last time you remember the Big 10 or Big East consistently having a team making a Super Regional?
I'd guess that there have been 2 or 3 times as many schools that have made a basketball Sweet 16 over the last 10-15 yrs than baseball, b/c so many more schoolsare able to compete in basketball and care about it.
I believe we pay a top 5 national salary to our baseball coach, and how many teams outside of the SEC come close to our average attendance or have facilities and support like we do?
Basically the only people we're competing with in baseball would be the top half of the ACC, Big 12, and Pac 12 and a few other random schools. When's the last time you remember the Big 10 or Big East consistently having a team making a Super Regional?
I'd guess that there have been 2 or 3 times as many schools that have made a basketball Sweet 16 over the last 10-15 yrs than baseball, b/c so many more schoolsare able to compete in basketball and care about it.
I believe we pay a top 5 national salary to our baseball coach, and how many teams outside of the SEC come close to our average attendance or have facilities and support like we do?
you cant mistake a bunch of mediocre basketball teams competing against each other for "it's harder" in basketball. 50% of the NCAA bids go to the power conferences- and the Sweet 16 and Final Four's are dominated by the power schools every year. Just like baseball is
I'm like Munson- it just amazes me how anybody can be defending The Recruiter at this point
I'm like Munson- it just amazes me how anybody can be defending The Recruiter at this point
"Last year's addition of former Mississippi State assistant Robert Kirby
to the staff paid immediate dividends, as Georgetown was able to land
forwards Otto Porter (from Missouri) and Tyler Adams (from
Mississippi), both ranked in the top 100 by Rivals. Kirby had played
high school basketball with Porter's father, and his ties to Mississippi
brought Adams to Georgetown after initial interest from Duke."
He now is after Pollard and Ware b/c of his relationships he has made with them while coaching at MSU. We need to land one if not, both of them, if Kirby gets Pollard and Ware, that will be a Big Blow to Stands... Gtown made a smart hire, but in 3 or 4 years Kirby will be gone from Gtown unless he keeps pulling in BIG Time recruits...
to the staff paid immediate dividends, as Georgetown was able to land
forwards Otto Porter (from Missouri) and Tyler Adams (from
Mississippi), both ranked in the top 100 by Rivals. Kirby had played
high school basketball with Porter's father, and his ties to Mississippi
brought Adams to Georgetown after initial interest from Duke."
He now is after Pollard and Ware b/c of his relationships he has made with them while coaching at MSU. We need to land one if not, both of them, if Kirby gets Pollard and Ware, that will be a Big Blow to Stands... Gtown made a smart hire, but in 3 or 4 years Kirby will be gone from Gtown unless he keeps pulling in BIG Time recruits...
Sure there are a few small conference teams that are good in baseball, just like there are in basketball. But the big difference is the Big 10 and Big East aren't even close to being competitive conferences in baseball. In basketball, they'll usually take up a half dozen Sweet 16 spots. In baseball, maybe 1 super regional.</p>
Every year in the CWS you'll have 4-5 teams from the SEC/ACC, then 1-2 Texas area schools and 1-2 California schools more or less, obviously you'll have an exception once in awhile.
I don't really ever remember a school north of the Mason-Dixon competing in baseball, basically you're cutting the teams in half that can compete for a title.
There's so much more representation from mid majors as well as teams from the major 6 conferences in the final 32 in basketball every year than there is in baseball. It's not even an arguable point, either c34 is trying to pull off a great spin job to get his dumbass sheep to buy into what he's selling or he's just a dumbass himself
I don't really ever remember a school north of the Mason-Dixon competing in baseball, basically you're cutting the teams in half that can compete for a title.
There's so much more representation from mid majors as well as teams from the major 6 conferences in the final 32 in basketball every year than there is in baseball. It's not even an arguable point, either c34 is trying to pull off a great spin job to get his dumbass sheep to buy into what he's selling or he's just a dumbass himself
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Also, we had been to 30 (THIRTY) NCAA tournaments in baseball before Cohen got here. I'd say our history and fan support would attract better players to a consistent winner like we've had in baseball. Just a hunch.
Compare that to basketball. Only 4 NCAA tournaments in our history in basketball. 4. (FOUR). Before Stansbury became head coach.......and he had a VERY BIG HAND in 2 of the 4 before he got the head coach position. Stansbury has been to 6 NCAA Tournaments in his 13 seasons, so in his 13 seasons he's gotten 150% more tournament births than we had gotten in our ENTIRE FUKCING HISTORY! But we're just going to automatically go get us a better coach, right?
Riiiiiight. We may get a better coach, but I will guarantee you he won't have near the success that our current coach has had.
Also, we had been to 30 (THIRTY) NCAA tournaments in baseball before Cohen got here. I'd say our history and fan support would attract better players to a consistent winner like we've had in baseball. Just a hunch.
Compare that to basketball. Only 4 NCAA tournaments in our history in basketball. 4. (FOUR). Before Stansbury became head coach.......and he had a VERY BIG HAND in 2 of the 4 before he got the head coach position. Stansbury has been to 6 NCAA Tournaments in his 13 seasons, so in his 13 seasons he's gotten 150% more tournament births than we had gotten in our ENTIRE FUKCING HISTORY! But we're just going to automatically go get us a better coach, right?
Riiiiiight. We may get a better coach, but I will guarantee you he won't have near the success that our current coach has had.
I wrote that in December. What about last year's worst in school history SEC season made you expect a regional this year? I said if Cohen did not get above .500 this season thenwe need to start looking around. I stand by that. Would yoube on here fellating Cohenif we went6-24 in the SEC again this year?scrapdawg said:<table summary="user post and replies"><tbody id="post-id-421370" class="expandable thread-post odd post reply Hanmudog post-read"><tr><td class="th firstcol poster-name"><span class="user-name"><font color="#000000">Hanmudog</font></span></td><td class="th post-subject"><span class="post-title">Stansbury is better than Cohen.</span></td><td class="th post-number">#13</td><td class="th post-url"><a name="reply-421370"></a><font color="#660000">[url]</font> </td><td class="th toggle lastcol"><span class="collapse-button">[-]</span></td></tr><tr class="collapsible-content"><td class="firstcol poster-detail"><div class="avatar-block"><p class="user-avatar">
There I said it. It has only taken Cohen 2 years to exceed the number of losing records that Stansbury has had in 13 years. You got me. Does our baseball team look better to you than it did 3 years ago? I couldn't stand Polk and I thought Cohen would be a good hire but he has not improved jackshit and needs to go if he does not get over .500 this year.Danhandled5 said:
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Cohen has shown that he can get it done at State and I hope he is at MSU for a long, long time. However, he deserved some criticism at the time for the way we played the prior two seasons. Most of the blame lied with Polk but Cohen made some head scratching decisions also.
PS: For youoverly sensitivebastards that get sandy snatches when anyone does not blast a huge beam of sunshine up Cohen's hind quarters, I was just pointing out that this was Cohen's first "Sweet 16" in his twelve years of coaching. No critique. No hidden meanings. No nothing. Just stating a fact. I don't think it willbe Cohen's last time in a Super Regional either meanwhile Rick may never reach a Sweet 16 if he does not do it next year.
first of all, while theBig 10 and Big East are weak in baseball, the SEC/ACC compensate for that by being so deep. 10 SEC teams could have legitimately made the NCAA's in baseball this season- SEC basketball has 4-5 teams worthy each season. The Pac-10 is a great baseball conference, but ****** in basketball- getting just a few bids the last few seasons. Not to mention some of the other conferences like Conference USA is a much better baseball league than it is a basketball league and so forth.whatever said:
College basketball has what- 340 teams in D-1? College baseball has 280-something in D-1. Both sports have alotof bottom feederswith about 100 programs that are worth a ****.
And one point you cant refute- the Sweet 16 and FF in basketball is always filled by the power conferences-just like baseball. Just look at the last 5 years of Sweet 16's- 59 power conference teams to 21 mid-majors- and the mid-majors are usually the same ones- Butler, Memphis, Xavier....there just aren't more than 100 basketball teams out there that can compete. Same with baseball
You say it takes one bad game to be out in basketball- that works for the other team as well. They play bad and you get to move on. Try beating teams with your 3rd and 4th best pitcher needing to advance- basketball teams start their best 5 every game.
Bottom line- the power conferences have the advantage in both sports- and there is no excuse for The Recruiter to have not made one by now. SEC baseball is the toughest in the country, just like football- basketball? Not so much.
But I agree. I think it is harder to make a Super Regional than it is to make a Sweet 16. The SEC is just so damn tough in baseball that it is hard enough to even qualify for post season play.
We also see teams that are not all that great that reach Sweet 16's in basketball just about every year. You don't see that in baseball very often. That is why I have just never seen a Sweet 16 as a huge benchmark for a coach. Stansbury should have been to one by now but just because a coach reaches it does not mean they are a particularly great coach.
We also see teams that are not all that great that reach Sweet 16's in basketball just about every year. You don't see that in baseball very often. That is why I have just never seen a Sweet 16 as a huge benchmark for a coach. Stansbury should have been to one by now but just because a coach reaches it does not mean they are a particularly great coach.
good teams will prevail in the long run. But it's really the same in basketball:
50% of the NCAA field is made up of power schools- but 75% of the Sweet 16 is from the power schools- the mid-majors dont really make it that tough on them when you look at the numbers.
50% of the NCAA field is made up of power schools- but 75% of the Sweet 16 is from the power schools- the mid-majors dont really make it that tough on them when you look at the numbers.
"it's harder to make it in baseball because, good teams will prevail in the end"
Right. Wait, what?
and then to just be clear which is harder, you add:
"But it's really the same in basketball"
Gotcha. It's harder, for some reason, but it's really the same. Brilliant 17ing logic there.
Right. Wait, what?
and then to just be clear which is harder, you add:
"But it's really the same in basketball"
Gotcha. It's harder, for some reason, but it's really the same. Brilliant 17ing logic there.
The ACC's not deeper in baseball, how many baseball tourneys has Wake, Duke, Maryland, BC, or VaTech made? Those 5 and normally NCState don't even field competitive teams, whereas in basketball all 12 ACC teams outside of maybe VT have made the NCAA's the last 10-15 years.
Same goes for the BigXII, how many times do you remember a team in a Super other than Texas, and maybe OU or A&M on occasion (Do Iowa St, Kansas, or Colorado even have a team?) In baskeball, Nebraska's the only team I can think of that hasn't made the NCAA's the last 10 years, maybe Iowa St, not sure which year they had Fizer and had a 2 seed.
The reason 10 SEC teams should make the tourney is b/c they don't have competitive teams in the Big 10, Big East, or the bottom half of the other conferences.
Yes the latter half of the baseball tourney is filled by about the same number of major conference teams as basketball, but the difference is that those major conference teams are always from the same 3-4 conferences, and they're the same teams every year, unlike basketball, where different teams fill those slots each year and MORE of the teams in those conferences can step up in any given year and go to the NCAA's. More teams care about and can field good basketball teams, making it easier for the schools that do care about baseball to do well. That should be very, very obvious to anyone that understands sports.
In baseball you're competing with the SEC/ top 6 in ACC, 1 or 2 Big XII schools, and the Pac 10 and California powers. In basketball, everyone can be competitive, and different teams step up all the time.
Also, this isn't to defend Stansbury, it's just to make an obvious point that the case you guys are arguing to make Stans look bad is inaccurate, and that the "anti" crowd will spin anything that way to make Stans look bad, even if it's a huge reach like this argument
Same goes for the BigXII, how many times do you remember a team in a Super other than Texas, and maybe OU or A&M on occasion (Do Iowa St, Kansas, or Colorado even have a team?) In baskeball, Nebraska's the only team I can think of that hasn't made the NCAA's the last 10 years, maybe Iowa St, not sure which year they had Fizer and had a 2 seed.
The reason 10 SEC teams should make the tourney is b/c they don't have competitive teams in the Big 10, Big East, or the bottom half of the other conferences.
Yes the latter half of the baseball tourney is filled by about the same number of major conference teams as basketball, but the difference is that those major conference teams are always from the same 3-4 conferences, and they're the same teams every year, unlike basketball, where different teams fill those slots each year and MORE of the teams in those conferences can step up in any given year and go to the NCAA's. More teams care about and can field good basketball teams, making it easier for the schools that do care about baseball to do well. That should be very, very obvious to anyone that understands sports.
In baseball you're competing with the SEC/ top 6 in ACC, 1 or 2 Big XII schools, and the Pac 10 and California powers. In basketball, everyone can be competitive, and different teams step up all the time.
Also, this isn't to defend Stansbury, it's just to make an obvious point that the case you guys are arguing to make Stans look bad is inaccurate, and that the "anti" crowd will spin anything that way to make Stans look bad, even if it's a huge reach like this argument
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Wake- 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2007, 2009
BC- 2009
Virginia Tech's baseball coach just retired with 300 more wins than losses in 28 years
You have nothing but your ******** to support what you are saying
There are schools up north that just compete in basketball and not baseball- but there are alot of schools in the South that do the exact opposite- Dallas Baptist for example. They are Sweet 16 in baseball- but play D-II basketball
Just quit- you are embarrassing yourself
Wake- 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2007, 2009
BC- 2009
Virginia Tech's baseball coach just retired with 300 more wins than losses in 28 years
You have nothing but your ******** to support what you are saying
There are schools up north that just compete in basketball and not baseball- but there are alot of schools in the South that do the exact opposite- Dallas Baptist for example. They are Sweet 16 in baseball- but play D-II basketball
Just quit- you are embarrassing yourself