Give me Quinn Cook and Amile Jefferson type players any day of the week. Those guys understand what wearing the Duke jersey means.
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If you think Duke has had mediocre seasons this year and last, then you are badly mistaken. You should probably rephrase it with "mediocre by Duke standards ". 97% of the programs in the NCAA would love to have the past 2 years Duke has had.
You understand what I mean, yes, by Duke standards. The thing that sets Duke apart is we usually do not base our success off 97 percent of the other programs, we set the bar.
You're right, tyus, jah and Justise have no clue what it means.
We are two years removed from winning it all. Spoiled much?
Additionally, you take away the injuries and I'm pretty sure we aren't talking about mediocrity by Duke standards. Call it an excuse if you want, but it doesn't take away from the reality of the situation. This team never really had a chance to grow together- very sporadic season to say the least.
Last year we had one single OAD. We had a transfer as well. This is actually the first year we recruited multiple OAD guys- tyus and Justise were not considered OADs coming in.
Clearly having a mix of OAD and veterans is the recipe- I think that's right. Can't let the frustration of everything that adversely affected this season to be overly critical of the entire timeframe. I don't think that is necessarily a true outlook.
Again, I do not think you read all of my posts. Those freshman you mentioned are and were exceptions to the rule as I stated in a couple other posts. I agree that this season has been a strange one but good teams figure it out and do not use injuries as a crutch. Every team in the country is banged up, I just don't think we have adjusted well. Are we as Duke fans spoiled, you bet we are.
I read the one I replied too, I'll give you that. I guess one of my points is- while yes every team has injuries or is banged up, we had nearly our entire team, all but Luke and Matt sustain injuries this season that held them out of games. Additionally that three of them were true freshman that were slated to be focal points of the team. That is a huge setback and cannot be understated. Is it an excuse- yes but it doesn't mean it's false or lacks merit. This season had more adversity than any season of my fandom.
But it's Duke, and no one cares what has happened this year to team, unless you play for Duke or pull for them. Season's not over yet, and all it can take is that one spark to roll forward. Until it's over, I still believe
I am by no means throwing in the towel, I hope we go on a run but it is just hard to fathom that happening with our lack of consistency and our in ability to turn transition offense into points.
So back to the topic...
It's interesting that no one has updated their CB picks since the Knox visit. You'd think that if the folks on here who say Knox is a strong UNC lean are correct, some of the Duke and national analysts would have picked up on that by now. Still, I do sense that momentum is in UNCs corner on this one.
I suppose a correction is overdue in terms of our recruiting success, getting almost every player we want, but I hate for that correction to happen with the crummy school down 15-501 benefiting.
It's interesting that no one has updated their CB picks since the Knox visit. You'd think that if the folks on here who say Knox is a strong UNC lean are correct, some of the Duke and national analysts would have picked up on that by now. Still, I do sense that momentum is in UNCs corner on this one.
I suppose a correction is overdue in terms of our recruiting success, getting almost every player we want, but I hate for that correction to happen with the crummy school down 15-501 benefiting.
Yeah this part is always confusing. Lots of things are pointing towards or starting to point towards unc apparently, but like you say this isnt being reflected yet in the national "crystal ball". However there have been recruits in recent memory who were above 80 percent to one school the day before they commit to another, so who knows. All I know is Unc needs Knox perhaps more than any of the other 3 schools, so I hope we are able to turn the tide a bit and finally win one of these recruiting battles.
I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the Knox family is pretty tight lipped. However, butter is right in that quite a few picks can be guessed incorrectly on 24/7 and many of the ones for Knox were made awhile back.
We will see. It's certainly not a done deal but I like our chances.
You're DAMN RIGHT! If we don't get smashed by injuries this year We're top 5 ALL SEASON.
The level of injuries we dealt with aren't the norm and they had a huge affect on this season. Laugh and call that an excuse if you'd like but if you know anything about basketball you know damn well it's true.
It feels like last year with Marques Bolden. All of us were almost sure he was going to U.K. but then Jerry Meyer got us all fired up the day before his commitment and said he had strong sources saying he was coming to Duke My point being is who knows and I as well think it is strange we haven't seen any movement in the CB after his visit to Duke!
I'm aware of that! They have messed up in some recruits recently the most noteworthy of this recruiting class being Ayton. They were off in Deng Gak, and Lonnie Walkers recruitment as well!
And don't the so-called 'experts' get more points based on how far out they make a prediction? That probably prevents some of them from changing their mind....it's an ego thing.
Yeah I believe so. Plus a lot of those picks are made years prior to the actual decision.
Kentucky is definitely in the mix. Cal is coaching team USA U19 starting this year. Knox was already teamates on USA with 5 guys that have signed with Kentucky that are on that USA team
Kentucky/USA Members (already signed with Kentucky)
Jarred Vanderbilt F 5 star
Nick Richards C 5 star
P.J. Washington F 5 star
Quade Green G 5 star
Hamidou Diallo F 5 star (enrolled in December)
And Kentucky is getting Mohammad Bamba for sure (teamates and best friends with Quade Green)
Knox could join these guys because Kentucky is losing like 8-9 players this years
Kentucky/USA Members (already signed with Kentucky)
Jarred Vanderbilt F 5 star
Nick Richards C 5 star
P.J. Washington F 5 star
Quade Green G 5 star
Hamidou Diallo F 5 star (enrolled in December)
And Kentucky is getting Mohammad Bamba for sure (teamates and best friends with Quade Green)
Knox could join these guys because Kentucky is losing like 8-9 players this years
duhon,
Agree 100% and please don't tell me Duke cannot land these type kids. Villanova does it every year.
We just need guys with great ball skills to complement our hosses. Tyus and Quinn had the ball on a string AND had great vision. The three S's had great peepers too. 2001 featured three amazing passers including Dunleavy. We have no one like that. We just straight line drive and crossover and kick it out if cut off. That's too predictable. You're not going to get great D out of future lottery picks all season long. You'll get it in a handful of the biggest games. So you need a consistent offense. Duke is missing a Joel Berry or a Lonzo Ball. We need Duval. Knox would be great. We need Duval.
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I see your point. But I think basketball IQ, and coming from a basketball state or playing for a good high school program/coach is more important. Example; Kentucky and Duke get the 1 and done players more than everyone. Kentucky lives off of them. But....the years when it 'works' and we go to the final 4, title game or win it all is when those 1 and done players came from New York, Chicago, New Jersey, etc and they play for good coaches. Basically, it works with the 1 and done when they have high basketball IQ's.
It doesnt work when the 1 and dones come from places like New Hampshire (Nerlens Noel), Archie Goodwinn (arkansas).
And, when Kentucky has good years they typically have one of those guys return for their sophomore year (Terrence Jones/Doron Lamb) and or mixed with a senior (Darius Miller).
And sometimes Mcdonalds All Americans stick around 4 years and Amile Jefferson/Duke, Marcus Lee/Kentucky and it doesnt benefit you like you would think.
The best potion is player that can score AND play lock down defense. You cant have a team with guys that can score but cant guard anyone (Luke Kennard/Duke, Derrick Willis/Kentucky)
I as a Kentucky fan can tell you that we always heard that Ingram was going to Duke, we never thought of him to UNC either. Always considered him a Duke lean. And, we thought Luke Kennard was coming to Kentucky. He grew up a UK fan, and would attend UK games quite often but ended up at Duke.
never know I guess
Have to love these lame *** insecure kitty kat fans. So insecure and afraid of being out of the running for ONE top 20 guy they have to go to rivals boards and flat out make up stories to make sure everyone knows they still exist. so pathetic.
Well some of the thr guys feel Knox is unc bound. If so we will deal with it. We did with barnes. The thing is can thr deal with it if Knox comes to Duke. I'm not sure if he can play for a coach that tells people he's going to jump off a roof even though it may be a shack. OFC
Latest blog from Knox just talks about Duke and UNC. Looks like a two-horse race to me. Hope he was watching the ACC tournament! Go Duke!
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-kev...vs-duke-decision-looming-kodak-black-and-more
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-kev...vs-duke-decision-looming-kodak-black-and-more
If I were Knox I'd be more concerned with getting hit Roy's jacket or him throwing a chair at me.
If I'm K I'm sending Knox the game tapes from this weekend and saying, "you want freedom in an offense? Watch these and pay special attention to the Tatum kid."
I get it... sorry to dukiejay, timo, show, and dukehokie cause I know your feelings and you guys are pretty dead on.... but this still is interesting to me... with the thought of a lot of people leaving could he possibly, somehow, maybe change his mind with the playing time available:
Totally agree with you laettner.... just think it's interesting with K, but if UNC gets him (never going to say done deal until a player signs) we are all going to hear that Roy is back in the recruiting game.