Kodi Tells Veazy He Does Not Know If He's Coming Back
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He said that our guys need to get stronger, and if everyone comes back that is supposed to, we can have a very good year next year. I felt like even he wasn't sure about the situation. I'm sure he already knows one way or the other right now. Stansbury knew during the first exhibition game last year that Gordon wasn't coming back. Hope we can keep Kodi. He would be a dumbass to transfer to another D1 and sit a year. He'll get 20-25 minutes a game for sure next year.
"Hope we can keep Kodi. He would be a dumbass to transfer to another D1 and sit a year. He'll get 20-25 minutes a game for sure next year."
My quote from another thread:
"As far as Kodi and the "why would he want to sit another year?" crowd- Answer this- Why would Kodi want to come back to State and play 15-18 mins as Turner's back-up another year? What has happened that would make Kodi think Stansbury is going to bring Ravern off the bench and start him instead?"
My quote from another thread:
"As far as Kodi and the "why would he want to sit another year?" crowd- Answer this- Why would Kodi want to come back to State and play 15-18 mins as Turner's back-up another year? What has happened that would make Kodi think Stansbury is going to bring Ravern off the bench and start him instead?"
Stans has made the comment that he doesn't necessarily start his "best" starting 5. Whether Kodi starts and plays 25 minutes per game or comes off the bench and plays 25, it really doesn't make a ****. It's just the title of "starting". Kodi's role can just be expanded next year with him gaining confidence. Kodi is good, but he isn't Hakeem Olajuwon as some on here act like he is. He definitely is a talent and we need him back.
And yet, college players care about starting.JacksonDevilDog said:
So while it may not matter to the coach who starts, the players are different...and they are the ones who transfer or stay.
With an answer like that it more or less seems like he is just dodging the question until he can get back to Starkville
The defections continue, there is something wrong in S-Vegas.... Stans makes too many promises he can not keep. The players catch on and leave, Kodi could have really made a difference for this team. I wonder now if SWAT will leave too. We will live and die by the 3 pointer next year, great..........
I don't think Varnado is going anywhere. He sure didnt help his cause yesterday. I just hope Osby and Bailey learn how to play over the next 9 months
than just living and dying by the 3. Brian Johnson is gone and Stansbury currently has no one committed to fill his role, much less Kodi's as well. Assuming Jarvis comes back, he will literally be on an island by himself.
I don't have a problem with being a small 3 pt shooting team. My concern is how in the world we're going to play defense and rebound with a Kodi-less roster. I cannot remember ever being so concerned about a Stansbury lineup. We've worried about not having stars before, but definitely not whether we'd even have anyone on the roster to play a specific position.
I don't have a problem with being a small 3 pt shooting team. My concern is how in the world we're going to play defense and rebound with a Kodi-less roster. I cannot remember ever being so concerned about a Stansbury lineup. We've worried about not having stars before, but definitely not whether we'd even have anyone on the roster to play a specific position.
he seems to be a mental case. You can't reason with people like that. It sucks and I'm not happy about it, but he's gone.
I do think however that Osby can take those minutes. I think he will easily be the most improved player on the team. Plus, I think he's a team player and a hard worker.
I do think however that Osby can take those minutes. I think he will easily be the most improved player on the team. Plus, I think he's a team player and a hard worker.
Stans has had these kinds of problems before. Charles Rhodes and Phil Turner became vocal leaders. Jerrel Houston and the Delks never heard from again. Robert Jackson went from being the man to a man off the bench for a final four team. I don't know how much he actually played, I just know he didn't start. I really don't know how much is on Stans for being tough on some guys but we know it is an issue. But he did recruit them to begin with.
Kodi's old AAU coach basically said Kodi was a punk but Stans knew it when he recruited him.</p>
Kodi's old AAU coach basically said Kodi was a punk but Stans knew it when he recruited him.</p>
You're probably right. But, the problem is the fact there are players that have Kodi's thought process. It's not like we are UNC where a really talented player can get lost on the bench for 4 years because he's playing behind superstars. It's MSU - a "solid" team. If you can't find a way to earn a starting spot here, or a way to play significant minutes, you are straight up retarded thinking you have NBA potential. RETARDED.
Stans may have his faults (what coach doesn't?) - but I refuse to believe he is that blind in evaluating talent. A NBA talent will not be benched on a MSU team unless they are a relentless piece of **** - and I doubt that would even happen. If that was the case - fine, transfer. Otherwise, I suggest that Kodi give Reggie Delk a call at Louisville and ask him how his 5.5 minutes/game are treating him. If riding the bench at a power school where championships are more likely is his cup of tea, #%#$ him, he should have committed to Texas when he had the chance.
Stans may have his faults (what coach doesn't?) - but I refuse to believe he is that blind in evaluating talent. A NBA talent will not be benched on a MSU team unless they are a relentless piece of **** - and I doubt that would even happen. If that was the case - fine, transfer. Otherwise, I suggest that Kodi give Reggie Delk a call at Louisville and ask him how his 5.5 minutes/game are treating him. If riding the bench at a power school where championships are more likely is his cup of tea, #%#$ him, he should have committed to Texas when he had the chance.
ckDOG said:
What the hell is this voice of reason doing in this thread? You're not playing the Stansbury is a stupid coach game properly dude.
Very good post. People on here act like Kodi is Michael Jordan and that he was the reason we won the SECT.ckDOG said:
He's not playing 35 minutes b/c he's not good enough. If he's looking to transfer b/c he wants to start and play 30+ minutes a game, then he better go to a crappy basketball school that doesn't have a chance to compete for championships. If he goes somewhere like Reggie Delk did, then he'll never be heard from again either, especially if he continues to have an attitude.
This ******** about the players running the program is ridiculous. It's ruining the sport. It seems as if there is no loyalty to the school at all.
or at least you keep saying "Kodi should have started". First off, you don't know, second off, it's college basketball players not NBA players so coaches can be a little more demanding in what they expect from players not only on the floor but outside of the lines. There was some very strong words exchanged between Kodi and Stans, and you being an ex-coach should know, the coach is usually right. It's not that Kodi WASN'T given a chance to start and perform but rather he took another road and thats what started the rift. Now, me being an ex-coach as well, I believe Stans did the right thing under the circumstances that I have been told. Kodi finally woke up and decided he needed to play and showed in practice first he was willing to play a complete game and thats when Stans started playing him again.
I want Kodi back and I am certain Stans and the team wants him back. I'll say it again, if he leaves he's pretty stupid to want and sit again as he played one year at a "extended high school" then sat last year cause he wasn't ready for "prime time basketball" and he sat half the year for saying stupid **** to the HC but mostly not saying he wanted to play team ball. He's a decent player and maybe one of our better players but to think or say he is a pro player isn't in the cards "right now". He'll play a lot if he comes back and IF he leaves it's 50-50 we will ever hear from him again. Btw, if he does leave it hurts recruiting and our scholarship numbers, but if he leaves and he isn't on track to graduate it hurts the team he would go to. Mid level school taking him, yeah, big time program taking him, no way!
I'm thru taking about Kodi on SP, I hope you are thru talking about something you don't really know about as well, the situation with Kodi.
P.S. Calling "GoatHerder"
I want Kodi back and I am certain Stans and the team wants him back. I'll say it again, if he leaves he's pretty stupid to want and sit again as he played one year at a "extended high school" then sat last year cause he wasn't ready for "prime time basketball" and he sat half the year for saying stupid **** to the HC but mostly not saying he wanted to play team ball. He's a decent player and maybe one of our better players but to think or say he is a pro player isn't in the cards "right now". He'll play a lot if he comes back and IF he leaves it's 50-50 we will ever hear from him again. Btw, if he does leave it hurts recruiting and our scholarship numbers, but if he leaves and he isn't on track to graduate it hurts the team he would go to. Mid level school taking him, yeah, big time program taking him, no way!
I'm thru taking about Kodi on SP, I hope you are thru talking about something you don't really know about as well, the situation with Kodi.
P.S. Calling "GoatHerder"
Yes, Augustus came on strong - I won't disagree with that. But to throw out a blanket statement saying Augustus should have been playing 25 minutes a game all year is crap. Prove to us that Augustus was practicing better, putting in the effort, and outproducing the others that got playing time throughout the year and you have an argument. But, don't assume that just because he played well late in the year that means he automatically deserved minutes early in the year. That's extremely lazy logic. Ever fathom the possibility that he improved over the course of the year? Or maybe proved that he deserved to be on the court? </p>
but we were 6-3 with him starting, and 2 of the losses could easily be pinned on Stewart and his piss poor shooting (6-31 in our 3 losses)...I just dont see how losing two close games with Stewart shooting that horribly can be blamed on poor play by Kodi. We had a Freshman PG who was learning how to play, and Kodi was also working on getting valuable experience to be ready for the SEC wars. It just really doesnt look right. If you know who was yelling at me and Stewart was shooting the ball like that, I wouldnt be very happy either.
I understand what a coach has to do to get players to respond, and obviously you know who wasnt getting it done with Augustus. The thing is, things didnt just magically change between player and coach during the Florida game and Kodi suddenly had an epiphany. You know who had no choice in having to play Augustus more minutes to make the team better once Bailey went down. This wasnt a choice by a coach- he was left without one. And once that choice was made for him, we got alot better as a basketball team.
Ravern's defense is worse than Kodi's ever thought about being. He is weak as rainwater as well. Yet he rarely sat. Why does Turner never play the 3? He did some at the end at it paid huge dividends Some of you "apologists" need to wake up. If we end up losing more players this year, it just cant be justified. It is hurting the program. Period.
I understand what a coach has to do to get players to respond, and obviously you know who wasnt getting it done with Augustus. The thing is, things didnt just magically change between player and coach during the Florida game and Kodi suddenly had an epiphany. You know who had no choice in having to play Augustus more minutes to make the team better once Bailey went down. This wasnt a choice by a coach- he was left without one. And once that choice was made for him, we got alot better as a basketball team.
Ravern's defense is worse than Kodi's ever thought about being. He is weak as rainwater as well. Yet he rarely sat. Why does Turner never play the 3? He did some at the end at it paid huge dividends Some of you "apologists" need to wake up. If we end up losing more players this year, it just cant be justified. It is hurting the program. Period.
someone posted on here that Kodi missed a week of practice in December. IF that's true, then Stans did the right thing by not playing him at all for 5 games (I assume 1 game suspension for every practice missed). But you are correct that he probably should have been put back into the rotation sooner than he was.
Edit to add: Quit using "we were 6-3 with him" to back up your argument. It makes you look like an idiot when 4 of those 6 wins were against Centenary, UL-Monroe, North Alabama and Fairleigh Dickenson.
Edit to add: Quit using "we were 6-3 with him" to back up your argument. It makes you look like an idiot when 4 of those 6 wins were against Centenary, UL-Monroe, North Alabama and Fairleigh Dickenson.
but if the benching led to the missed practices, why wasnt all this worked out in September and October? Did you know who just figure out in the 9th game he didnt like the way Kodi was playing? Did he just miss the way he played and practiced in October?
As far as the 6-3, its all we have to go by. Stewarts poor shooting cost us two of those games, yet he just kept firing and playing 30 minutes a game. So we bench Kodi...It doesnt make sense....
As far as the 6-3, its all we have to go by. Stewarts poor shooting cost us two of those games, yet he just kept firing and playing 30 minutes a game. So we bench Kodi...It doesnt make sense....
If his benching and lack of play after that was due to missed practice, then why didnt we hear about it from the coaches? They have a history of being more than willing to say someone is benched for violating team rules. Hell this year alone, B Johnson, Bailey, and Holcombe have all been suspended from play for violating rules and the coaches were willing to talk about it.patdog said:
That explanation makes little sense, seeing as how the coaching staff regularly informs the media of people not playing for those reasons. Remember Sharpe?...he was benched for games, and Stans told everyone why since it was for missing practice(and a plane).
As for the 6-3 with Kodi argument, i agree, it is lame. It is just as lame as those who use our record without him to support their view, seeing as how we played some of the worst teams in the SEC in that stretch.
Any body that says Kodi wasnt an integral part in us winning 6 in a row to roll thru the SEC Tournament wasnt watching us play. Kodi is very solid, and did some good things against a Washington team that made us look awful. Romero will get better with time, but Kodi is ready right now, and he is much more confident than Romero. Losing Kodi would hurt us. All of our players in press conferences were saying how glad they were to have Kodi back on the court. They all know he's good, and he completes our team because we are terrible in a 4 guard lineup when we miss 3's because we cant get a rebound. With Kodi as what I like to call a hybrid 4, a 4 that can shoot the 3 and post up, we are complete. He got so many weak side boards and stretched out the defense alot. We need Kodi. Romero will fill the role, but not to the degree that Kodi can.
He didn't shoot the ball as well in a few of the losses, but to say he lost it for us wasn't because of him. One thing for sure about Stewart, he played much better about midway thru the season. I will agree on Ravern thou, to me he is the only player not to have improved as the season got going. I do think Kodi will start and Ravern will be our 6th man next year unless he really improves his defense and just as important his physical play with more muscle and weight.
Again, it wasn't Stans who put Kodi in the doghouse, it was Kodi. All he had to do was be a yes man and say "whatever helps the team" not "You knew I don't play defense and rebound when you recruited me", thats pretty insane, plus he kept on venting. Stans told Kodi, "fine, when we need a shooter and a someone who doesn't play rebound and play defense I'll play you". Kodi was doing all of the things right up until the 8th or 9th game, then he just about quite hustling and competing in practice. I think what woke him up was his AAU coach, he must have told Kodi to suck it up and prove them wrong then leave, just guessing.
You ask would we have been better with Kodi, of course, but again it's college basketball and team ball and you have to do what the coach wants you to do. Lastly, as for as the players Stans ran off or left on there own, I bet only one or two were ask to not leave, the rest needed to go. I don't like to see players leave either but hey, I use to run them off as well, there's no "I" in "Team".
34, your smarter than what you post about Stans, you should ease off the pedal on Stans, but thats just me, we are better with Stans than w/o. There's two sides to every story and we only have heard Kodi's side, Stans is smart to not say bad things about players.
Again, it wasn't Stans who put Kodi in the doghouse, it was Kodi. All he had to do was be a yes man and say "whatever helps the team" not "You knew I don't play defense and rebound when you recruited me", thats pretty insane, plus he kept on venting. Stans told Kodi, "fine, when we need a shooter and a someone who doesn't play rebound and play defense I'll play you". Kodi was doing all of the things right up until the 8th or 9th game, then he just about quite hustling and competing in practice. I think what woke him up was his AAU coach, he must have told Kodi to suck it up and prove them wrong then leave, just guessing.
You ask would we have been better with Kodi, of course, but again it's college basketball and team ball and you have to do what the coach wants you to do. Lastly, as for as the players Stans ran off or left on there own, I bet only one or two were ask to not leave, the rest needed to go. I don't like to see players leave either but hey, I use to run them off as well, there's no "I" in "Team".
34, your smarter than what you post about Stans, you should ease off the pedal on Stans, but thats just me, we are better with Stans than w/o. There's two sides to every story and we only have heard Kodi's side, Stans is smart to not say bad things about players.
Edit to add: Quit using "we were 6-3 with him" to back up your argument. It makes you look like an idiot when 4 of those 6 wins were against Centenary, UL-Monroe, North Alabama and Fairleigh Dickenson talking AT ALL. It makes you look like a 17ing idiot.
there I fixed it for you.
there I fixed it for you.
Stansfield said:
a lot of these players come in from their AAU programs into college thinking they are the next one-and-done top pick.
certainly, a lot of them are extremely talented, but they hype outruns the production, for the most part.
Are you Kodi's high school or AAU coach? I've never seen someone take up for a player over the coach more than in this instance.
The general feeling around here was that Kodi was sitting b/c of an issue w/ his attitude or something he said to Stans, not b/c of the team's record w/ him on the floor. Do you not support our coach when he sits a player to make a point to the whole team that we're going to play unselfish, team basketball, and if you have an attitude and treat your coach in a disrespectful way, then you aren't going to play?
I support Stans for sitting Kodi, no matter what the reason, which clearly none of us know exactly what that reason was.
And the more simple fact is, he's not good enough to go to a more prominent program than ours and get more playing time than he's getting now. If he leaves, that's fine with me and we'll be fine without him. Stans has won before and will win again.
The general feeling around here was that Kodi was sitting b/c of an issue w/ his attitude or something he said to Stans, not b/c of the team's record w/ him on the floor. Do you not support our coach when he sits a player to make a point to the whole team that we're going to play unselfish, team basketball, and if you have an attitude and treat your coach in a disrespectful way, then you aren't going to play?
I support Stans for sitting Kodi, no matter what the reason, which clearly none of us know exactly what that reason was.
And the more simple fact is, he's not good enough to go to a more prominent program than ours and get more playing time than he's getting now. If he leaves, that's fine with me and we'll be fine without him. Stans has won before and will win again.
aimed at kodi in particular. or at stans, at all.
i was in agreement with stansfield's statement above my post. about how these players come in expecting to start immediately. they have been pumped with nothing other than how good they are, and dont think that they need any coaching. i realize that my post was in a thread about kodi. but i was replying to the post above me...
and, no i am not a coach.
i was in agreement with stansfield's statement above my post. about how these players come in expecting to start immediately. they have been pumped with nothing other than how good they are, and dont think that they need any coaching. i realize that my post was in a thread about kodi. but i was replying to the post above me...
and, no i am not a coach.
Great Post, but you can't tell people that he could have done this all year. They won't hear of it, Coach Stans walks on water and is always right. Well, not this time...mstatefan88 said:
SO you think that if he did miss a weeks worth of practice or didnt do what was expected to get playing time that Stans should have played him anyway? No matter how bad it looks to everyone else? I just want to be clear that you are okay with thisfishwater99 said:
We realize that we could've been slightly better all year if Kodi was playing, but that's not the point. The point is that we support Stans for sitting Kodi, b/c we all know he wasn't sitting him b/c he wasn't good enough to be on the floor, it's not that simple. If he had an attitude problem, he deserved to sit. He doesn't improve our team significantly enough to justify looking the other way when it comes to his attitude.fishwater99 said:
Stans let Jamont do it his way and put up w/ his selfishness, but that was worth it. With Kodi, it's not b/c we're almost the same with or without him. Once again, he is NOT the reason we won the SECT. Quit acting like he is the only way we win that tourney