Red Cup Rebellion take on Grove Bowl - "we won't be wanting for a decent quarterback"
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Red Cup Rebellion take on Grove Bowl - "we won't be wanting for a decent quarterback"
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Brunetti are both good atheletes, lets say better athletes than Tyson Lee for sure but about the same height. I think they will be serviceable at QB but the real issue is going to be on defense where there appear to be issues in all areas. They may surprise me but I really could see their defense being worse than it was last year which is going to make the offense and the QB's a moot point.
Due to the fact that red and blue sheep would flock to another writer that gave rosy news.<div>
</div><div>But that one thing that does not seem to be troubling them is that the offenses could not manage more than 17 points on that split defense. </div>
</div><div>But that one thing that does not seem to be troubling them is that the offenses could not manage more than 17 points on that split defense. </div>
but I doubt any of their options will be even as good as Masoli was last year (who all in all had a very good statistical year). And even with him they still only won 4 games. The question is all about their defense. Last year they had one of the higher scoring OM offenses ever but still couldn't win because they couldn't stop anybody.
add to that what they lost in sheer talent on the D-line and throw in two rookie SEC QB's and it's not likely they will beat Arkansas, LSU and Bama....or State in Starkville for that matter. Houston will have to coach his man-boobs off just to get to 6 wins this year. </p>
RCR has gone down the toilet since they expanded contributors. The original guys were pretty good at being snarky, but no one there has every really done very good football analysis. The guy who wrote the piece linked here didn't even get some of the players names right, not exactly hard hitting analysis. For most OM fans I think there is cautious optimism regarding the quarterbacks precisely because we all expect the offense to rely on the running game quite a bit. We're deep and fairly experienced on the OLine. Bolden is legit and Scott and (sometimes) Enrickey do a good job complimenting him. None of our folks expect the qb to throw it more than 20 times a game and so yes, there's guarded optimism that Mackey or Stoudt, or Brunetti if cleared, will be effective, not great, but effective withing what is expected to be a conservative offense. Not a lot of wool on our side of the fence. <div>
</div><div>Those of you who wrote that the defense will decide OM's fate in 2011 are correct. There's a good bit of young talent in the front seven. As much as everyone hammers Nix, I'm not sure many people realize how little he had to work with last year. Trust me 4 senior defensive tackles and a bunch of guys who were either young (DE's), fat (Allen Walker) or hurt (most of the secondary) does not a good defense make. Tyrone's weaknesses (especially against ya'll) are well documented and I think he could have done a much better job at damage control last year, but the guy turned in two top 20 units in 08 and 09. Not saying we're back to that, but we'll be better. Doubt we're better enough to influence our record more than a game or tow. </div>
</div><div>Those of you who wrote that the defense will decide OM's fate in 2011 are correct. There's a good bit of young talent in the front seven. As much as everyone hammers Nix, I'm not sure many people realize how little he had to work with last year. Trust me 4 senior defensive tackles and a bunch of guys who were either young (DE's), fat (Allen Walker) or hurt (most of the secondary) does not a good defense make. Tyrone's weaknesses (especially against ya'll) are well documented and I think he could have done a much better job at damage control last year, but the guy turned in two top 20 units in 08 and 09. Not saying we're back to that, but we'll be better. Doubt we're better enough to influence our record more than a game or tow. </div>
you've still got to deal with the fact that Nix doesn't know how to handle the spread.I think people are underestimating how good UM's offense ifgoing to be, so I think UM will handle their out of conference schedule. ButUm still has to win 2 out of 4 againstVAndy, Auburn, UK, and MSU. Not being able todefend the spread makes puts MSU in Starkville as out of reach as agame between MSU and UM can be (short ofCroom's last year) and makes Auburn much more difficult. I think six wins is possible, but it will require Nutt to get his team to play much closer to itspotential than it has since the last six games or so of his first season at UM, basically winning every game where the talent is comparable.rebelthustra said:
his 08 / 09 games. If they don't make a bowl game again I would think they would clean out the bear cave....I also think folks don't give Nix brother the respect they should for his recruiting in the state. I do realize a golden hand shake does help in recruiting the top talent....
we reallydon`t know if it would have mattered to CJ who was at State when the Ole Missmoney started hitting the table.
If you take last year out of the equation, and only because we were equally bad against all offenses, the only "spread" team we had a bad game against in 08 and 09 was ya'll in 09. And our offense certainly helped your offense quite a bit with turnovers. <div>
</div><div>I would also invite you to watch the clip of Relf's run against us last year. If you think Tyrone Nix had anything to do with Relf's run you are mistaken. 5 guys playing base Nickel misread the option and ran themselves out of the play. The far side receiver blocked our corner and it was Relf against nobody for 70 yards. A well blocked that should have netted Relf 6-8 yards went all the way. The defensive coordinator has nothing to do with that play. Bad players playing bad defense do. That said, the two big screens ya'll ran were all on Nix. </div>
</div><div>I would also invite you to watch the clip of Relf's run against us last year. If you think Tyrone Nix had anything to do with Relf's run you are mistaken. 5 guys playing base Nickel misread the option and ran themselves out of the play. The far side receiver blocked our corner and it was Relf against nobody for 70 yards. A well blocked that should have netted Relf 6-8 yards went all the way. The defensive coordinator has nothing to do with that play. Bad players playing bad defense do. That said, the two big screens ya'll ran were all on Nix. </div>
played pretty well last year and should be better and we all know that is key to success. I disagree with you on your defense. I don't look for you guys to be much better, especially with the loss of Shackelford who I think is a very fine player. I know it was the spring game and you can't draw many conclusions from that; I also know there were people sitting out for a variety of reasons but there just seemed to be a general lack of tackling, speed, and overall ability. I also hold the opinion that Nix is marginal and did a very good job with a very talented bunch of players in 2008 and 2009. When helacks the talent he doesn't have the ability to pull anything out of his hat like an Ellis Johnson for example. We will see how it goes.
I would also add that Masoli was a very talented player and he often turned chicken **** into chicken salad with his pure atheleticism last year which led to alot of your offensive production. I am not sure the current QB staff can pull some of the things he did off which could be a caveat to your offense being improved this year.
I would also add that Masoli was a very talented player and he often turned chicken **** into chicken salad with his pure atheleticism last year which led to alot of your offensive production. I am not sure the current QB staff can pull some of the things he did off which could be a caveat to your offense being improved this year.
You may want to consider that the offense was split also. They basically had a draft. There are lots of names in the stats that you will never see on the field.
I've yet to even read a write up on it this year. If you're looking for something bad, you can find it. If you're looking for something good, you can find it. No one has a "great" spring game because on every play, your team is having a failure somewhere and a success somewhere. That's why you hear awkward cheers throughout a spring game.
You typically have spring games set up a few different ways:
1) Ones on one team and reserves on the other team with the reserves spotted points (the way we did our most recent few games)
2) One defense and two offense on one team versus the one offense and two defense on the other team.
3) A draft of players where coaches pick and choose players splitting the top talent between the teams and also splitting units (the way we did it this year)
If you're going to draw anything from a spring game, format 2 is the only way to really see much, because you have units playing with their proper unit, and they're facing somewhat equal competition on the other side.
Even still, if you score a lot of points in format 2, is it because your offense is good or your defense is bad? If you don't score, is your defense great or your offense bad? I go back to the LSU 2003 team that won the national title. All spring and fall their offense struggled to get anything going in 1s vs. 1s drills. Turns out they had the best defense in the country and one of the best offenses in the SEC, but even their solid offense couldn't crack their defense. The only thing you draw from spring games is comparatively whether your offense is ahead of your defense or your defense ahead of your offense. If you have a unit returning almost completely in tact, you can draw a little bit more from it because you have a good idea what that unit can accomplish in real competition, and comparatively, you can get a bit of a gauge on the other unit.
I'll still occasionally read a practice report or two just to see what people are saying, but after last year I've given up on it. We were supposed to be a team that relied on a solid defense (worst defense in the modern era at Ole Miss), and we were supposed to be scraping to find an offense (some of the best offensive production out of any Ole Miss team in the modern era that didn't have Eli). I'll give you a good read on how our season is going to play out after 3-4 games. After we've played BYU and one or two SEC games, you'll know whether our defense is improved enough to give us a shot at a decent season, and you'll know whether the new QB (whoever he is) will be good enough for the offense to maintain production. I refuse to get caught up in judging the spring game or reading the practice reports. If you expect to see a good team, you'll see a good team. If you expect to see a bad team, you'll see a bad team.
You typically have spring games set up a few different ways:
1) Ones on one team and reserves on the other team with the reserves spotted points (the way we did our most recent few games)
2) One defense and two offense on one team versus the one offense and two defense on the other team.
3) A draft of players where coaches pick and choose players splitting the top talent between the teams and also splitting units (the way we did it this year)
If you're going to draw anything from a spring game, format 2 is the only way to really see much, because you have units playing with their proper unit, and they're facing somewhat equal competition on the other side.
Even still, if you score a lot of points in format 2, is it because your offense is good or your defense is bad? If you don't score, is your defense great or your offense bad? I go back to the LSU 2003 team that won the national title. All spring and fall their offense struggled to get anything going in 1s vs. 1s drills. Turns out they had the best defense in the country and one of the best offenses in the SEC, but even their solid offense couldn't crack their defense. The only thing you draw from spring games is comparatively whether your offense is ahead of your defense or your defense ahead of your offense. If you have a unit returning almost completely in tact, you can draw a little bit more from it because you have a good idea what that unit can accomplish in real competition, and comparatively, you can get a bit of a gauge on the other unit.
I'll still occasionally read a practice report or two just to see what people are saying, but after last year I've given up on it. We were supposed to be a team that relied on a solid defense (worst defense in the modern era at Ole Miss), and we were supposed to be scraping to find an offense (some of the best offensive production out of any Ole Miss team in the modern era that didn't have Eli). I'll give you a good read on how our season is going to play out after 3-4 games. After we've played BYU and one or two SEC games, you'll know whether our defense is improved enough to give us a shot at a decent season, and you'll know whether the new QB (whoever he is) will be good enough for the offense to maintain production. I refuse to get caught up in judging the spring game or reading the practice reports. If you expect to see a good team, you'll see a good team. If you expect to see a bad team, you'll see a bad team.
In the first year of Malzhan's offense? Still a pretty small sample, and no doubt the players overran a ton against MSU both years, but even though it's execution by the players, it seems like that ultimately falls on Nix.
And did Wake Forrest run a spread type offense? Can't remember what the score was in that game or whether that was even in'09?But I was thinking they ran a spread type O</p>
And did Wake Forrest run a spread type offense? Can't remember what the score was in that game or whether that was even in'09?But I was thinking they ran a spread type O</p>
ability. I think we have more talent on the front 7 than you realize. It's just all young. We had seven starters on D out for the spring game not counting Shackleford. So you basically saw all backups between two teams. That said, the secondary will be dicey if healthy. If not, it will be awful. Again.
olemissbydamn said:
I did take it into consideration. The first unit defense is razors edge thin to begin with and then you split it. And one of the qb's that is part of that improved offense couldn't score more than 17 on them. So what is the worry? Offense or defense?
Powe, Scott, Laurent, Armour, Brown, Ingram, Walker, & Cornell? Because that's who composed the shitastic defense last year. Please don't let a perfectly good thread degenerate in to a Hogville style, "Just wait til Hootie croots have to play."
I agree with thustra on all points. I expect Ole Miss' defense to be better if for no other reason than the fact that it's difficult to imagine it being worse. Nix's job is also probably on the line. The D is talented, but it's young. That's obviously not ideal, but I would rather have young guys screwing up by going full tilt rather than watching Walker struggle to keep up with FBs out of the backfield.
The offense will be fine. Nutt's offenses generally are. Ole Miss struggled against good defenses last year like Bama and State's, but who didn't?
I agree with thustra on all points. I expect Ole Miss' defense to be better if for no other reason than the fact that it's difficult to imagine it being worse. Nix's job is also probably on the line. The D is talented, but it's young. That's obviously not ideal, but I would rather have young guys screwing up by going full tilt rather than watching Walker struggle to keep up with FBs out of the backfield.
The offense will be fine. Nutt's offenses generally are. Ole Miss struggled against good defenses last year like Bama and State's, but who didn't?
IfI recall, the Brown decision was delayed a few games to give him a "de facto" suspension be the league office. Wasn't it about one half the year? Anyway, that might have been different because he transferred from one SEC schoolto another.dawgstudent said:
XP return. So I don't know if 24 points of offense was really lighting us up. Wake scored 30 on 348 total yards again helped out by 3 OM turnovers, OM has 360 total yards. Again hardly getting thrashed. That's what people forget when trashing Nix, our D has not been helped by the turnover machine that is our offense.
is improved. I just don't know enough about those players to even offer a comment. I do believe Nix is a good recruiter but a pretty poor coach but that might be offset some by Burns who by all accounts is a pretty good coach. I feel like we will win seven games next year but it won't be easy and I am most concerned about our offensive line and whether our defense is as well organized and schemedunder Collins and Wilson as it was last year.
your observations/opinions of OM should be given. However, I agree with your assessment of your team, although I'm not venturing guesses on win totals for anyone.
..this ******** left.
I mean the ******** where Bear fans run over here telling us they are not going to suck as hard as all the factual data suggest they are.
Note to Ole Miss Rebel fans: Your football team is going to suck this fall. And I mean suck hard.
All the factual data points to you sucking hard, so forgive me if I dismiss out of hand all the magic dust you keep trying to sprinkle over your disaster of a football program.
I mean the ******** where Bear fans run over here telling us they are not going to suck as hard as all the factual data suggest they are.
Note to Ole Miss Rebel fans: Your football team is going to suck this fall. And I mean suck hard.
All the factual data points to you sucking hard, so forgive me if I dismiss out of hand all the magic dust you keep trying to sprinkle over your disaster of a football program.