KSR listeners.. Podcast from friday (yesterday)

[Lonesome Hippopotamus]

I know there was debate that Dorian Baker was cutting routes short for Towles.. I am not sure if I heard correctly today, but Matt Jones said that somebody "in the know" said that receivers were INTENTIONALLY not running routes correctly when Towles was QBing in practice, hence the reason why the offense is looking so fluent (allegedly) in practice currently. I mean, part of me wants to be happy that the offense is looking like this now in practice then the other half of me wants to think that the receivers wouldn't throw Patty Ice under the bus like that. I don't know what to think, but can someone clear this up.. This is HUGE and the coaching staff to let this go on is very sad.

 

[Dunkapotamus_rivals209832]

So they were cutting routes short and Towles still threw behind them?

 

[Onomatopoeia]

So they were cutting routes short and Towles still threw behind them?

No but it lead to mass confusion.

 

[El Gato Calvo]

I know there was debate that Dorian Baker was cutting routes short for Towles.. I am not sure if I heard correctly today, but Matt Jones said that somebody "in the know" said that receivers were INTENTIONALLY not running routes correctly when Towles was QBing in practice, hence the reason why the offense is looking so fluent (allegedly) in practice currently. I mean, part of me wants to be happy that the offense is looking like this now in practice then the other half of me wants to think that the receivers wouldn't throw Patty Ice under the bus like that. I don't know what to think, but can someone clear this up.. This is HUGE and the coaching staff to let this go on is very sad.

If true those guys need put on the first bus out of Lexington.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Lemmond said sources say practice is going good.

Then someone "in the know", said of course because now the receivers are running correct routes. That source was probably a former player who appears on show a lot and has made that his personal thing. Fat *** Source probably never got in shape his kentucky career and would be an expert on not giving effort. But source also thinks he is mentor to Towles and and probably gives worst advice ever to college quarterbacks when it comes to winning games.

Then another source in the know texted Matt and said receivers running wrong routes was ridiculous and that was that.

 

[TotesMcGotes]

i compare it to a baseball game. when a pitcher walks a bunch of guys the infield starts getting restless and then when a ground ball finally comes they are more likely to make an error. i understand a ground ball is a ground ball is a ground ball... but its difficult to stay focused when the pitcher cannot throw a strike.

when PT throws half of his balls behind receivers or over their heads or at their knees, it creates apathy and frustration in the WR corps, they get tired of running hard on routes for the ball not to be placed correctly, and when they finally get a good ball it puts undue extra pressure on them to make the play...

this apathy and frustration trickles down to the OL

so when people say "can Barker catch passes for the WR, or block".. i hate that... because these guys are not robots, they are human, and they react to the QB Play... the QB is the one guy who can truly elevate everyone else's play... and on a team like KY, when you are out talented against half the teams you play, you really need a QB that can make up some of the difference and elevate everyone's play

 

[hmt5000]

I don't think it's a planned thing. I think the poor accuracy ends up hurting the confidence of the receivers. You start rounding off routes cause "the ball ain't gonna be there".

Just seems the team has regressed this year. I hope it is as simple as changing qb's but I have my doubts.

 

[theoledog]

Maybe Barker goes in and looks "all-that" the last two games.... Great!
But I'll never believe that a HC isn't going to put the best players on the field...
What I want to see is a staff that looks like they know what they're doing,,,,, They looked better their fist year here than now.... That being the case I think the team reflects the staff in performance... I like Stoops and don't call for his job at all... He can stay here as long as he wants... But what I see is what it is.... They play like they're coached...

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Maybe Barker goes in and looks "all-that" the last two games.... Great!
But I'll never believe that a HC isn't going to put the best players on the field...
What I want to see is a staff that looks like they know what they're doing,,,,, They looked better their fist year here than now.... That being the case I think the team reflects the staff in performance... I like Stoops and don't call for his job at all... He can stay here as long as he wants... But what I see is what it is.... They play like they're coached...

We have seen that perhaps happen before though, with a coach not putting his best players on the field or on the court at UK. A certain coach playing his son over superior talented players on the b-ball team comes to mind.

 

[RealCat41]

Here's my take on the situation. This was a long time coming. The players have felt like barker is the better qb since day one of spring ball (he is/was) and when towles got the starting nod it was understandable to everybody because of the experience and the thought that he was going to build on last season. The ideal situation was have towles start this season and next season and have barker take the reigns after that. So the beginning of the season rolls by and the players really didn't care at that point who the starting qb was they just wanted to get out there and do the thing they love most and that's play football. Everything was fine no problems amongst the team, at this point the play was decent. Thru the first 5 games we know the story 4-1 with very mediocre qb play during the span but good enough to get by.

They're now in the middle of the season with a somewhat tough stretch of games not murderers row by any means but decent competition for sure. We got slaughtered by mississppi state. Towles plays an atrocious game and the clamoring for barker hits a new high. Next game was what the Tennessee game? Towles plays yet another atrocious game and barker doesn't sniff the field because he was hurt so why risk it? Next game rolls by we're going against a mediocre UGA team and towles has an very abysmal first half. At this point the players feel like it's time to give barker a shot since they've always felt he was the better qb and towles simply wasn't getting it done. The coaches decide not to make the move at halftime and now this is when the players become pissed because it was evident to them that barker needs a shot. Barker gets to throw all but 2 passes and at that point this is when the players decided if the coaches are going to be too stubborn to play the better qb due to loyalty for god knows what reason. Then they're gonna send the coaches a message and force him to play the better qb.

Vandy game rolls by and towles is named the starter. Players are beyond outraged at this point (understandably so) because everyone on the team knows barker is the better qb they've all known it since the beginning of spring ball and now was the time to pull the string on barker. So they all decided to botch passes from towles. Time after time. Drop after drop. Until they had no choice but to put barker in. Barker comes in. Outplays towles. Then they replace him for towles after having played a much better game to that point. Then they decided to go back to botching passes (example where baker dropped the screen pass. And where baker WALKED on a slant rout and was nowhere near the same area code of where he was supposed to be in correlation to the pass).

The statement was taken by the coaching staff. Now they had no choice but to make barker the starter. Now what to expect? Barker is about to go off against a lowly Charlotte team and we're not going to need overtime to beat them. Mark it down. Also. Against Louisville. I'm telling you the offense is going to explode in that game. Barker should've been the qb all along and he's going to show everyone those same sentiments against Louisville. Hes going to absolutely go off against Louisville. He feels he has a whole lot to prove for not being the starter all along. Just watch and see. The man is about to emerge into stardom starting the Louisville game. I'll eat crow if he doesn't. But I promise you all he's going to so I'm not even worried about it.

Do you actually vote in elections? Like for Governor, President, Congressman etc...

 

[RealCat41]

If this is the case the OC 's job should be easier with the addition of assistant coach Baker, assistant coach Badet, and assistant coach Bone.

We should have Charlotte and Louisville right where we want them now.

 

[merrimanm]

Lorenzen needs to be kept away if you ask me. He has a personal agenda with Towles and IMO is the reason Towles hasn't improved. Jared is in his ear constantly and also goes to the media saying stuff like that, and that doesn't help.

 

[Jacktwncat94]

Lemmond said sources say practice is going good.

Then someone "in the know", said of course because now the receivers are running correct routes. That source was probably a former player who appears on show a lot and has made that his personal thing. Fat *** Source probably never got in shape his kentucky career and would be an expert on not giving effort. But source also thinks he is mentor to Towles and and probably gives worst advice ever to college quarterbacks when it comes to winning games.

Then another source in the know texted Matt and said receivers running wrong routes was ridiculous and that was that.

Why are you being such an ***? Give us QB play like he did and I don't care how fat and out of shape he was.

 

[Jacktwncat94]

If true those guys need put on the first bus out of Lexington.

I wish Dorian stayed on the damn bench because he is suspect #1. Shouldn't playing the way he drops balls anyway. And if true they lost us the Vandy game

 

[RealCat41]

Lorenzen needs to be kept away if you ask me. He has a personal agenda with Towles and IMO is the reason Towles hasn't improved. Jared is in his ear constantly and also goes to the media saying stuff like that, and that doesn't help.

Say what you want about Lorenzen, but he is at least owning what he's saying. Not hiding behind some fictitious username like the rest of us.

 

[Monroe Claxton]

If this is true, why did Baker catch the fourth down pass against Eastern?

 

[RealCat41]

If this is true, why did Baker catch the fourth down pass against Eastern?

It's kinda like cheatin on a test. If you get all of them right the "Teach" is gonna know somethin is up so you gotta make it look good.

Hell I don't know and don't really care anymore.

 

[numberonedad]

Lorenzen needs to be kept away if you ask me. He has a personal agenda with Towles and IMO is the reason Towles hasn't improved. Jared is in his ear constantly and also goes to the media saying stuff like that, and that doesn't help.

How do you know he is "constantly in his ear?" YOU DON'T!

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Say what you want about Lorenzen, but he is at least owning what he's saying. Not hiding behind some fictitious username like the rest of us.

Having your name behind a stupid *** opinion so you can get on the radio and sell t shirts is not some great show of integrity.

 

[Anon1712931820]

Maybe Barker goes in and looks "all-that" the last two games.... Great!
But I'll never believe that a HC isn't going to put the best players on the field....

It isn't that they intentionally did not put the best player on the field, but rather they are so simple and scared to take a risk that they thought putting average experience out there was better than unproven talent. Sometimes you have to pull the plug and Stoops waited about 2 games too late.

 

[Anon1712931820]

If this is true, why did Baker catch the fourth down pass against Eastern?

Losing to EKU isn't worth keeping up the charade I guess lol.

 

[RealCat41]

Having your name behind a stupid *** opinion so you can get on the radio and sell t shirts is not some great show of integrity.

This is not just some stupid *** opinion. This is actually very serious. I would think someone at UK would have to ask him about this one. But they won't have too hard or far to find him.

 

[merrimanm]

How do you know he is "constantly in his ear?" YOU DON'T!

Actually, Lorenzenhas basically said so. Said Towles talks to him all the time about things.

 

[jauk11]

Do you actually vote in elections? Like for Governor, President, Congressman etc...

You should know the answer to that if you see what shape the country is in, him and a lot like him. Of course that is probably a lost cause anyway since the lawyers are already the majority in almost all of our legislative, judicial, and executive positions-------which are supposed to give us checks and balances but don't because they are in it for a higher cause------money.

Back on subject, to me the idea that any player would intentionally and consciously not play his best in a very close and winnable game which would guarantee us a bowl trip is kind of foolish.

 

[Jacktwncat94]

Actually, Lorenzenhas basically said so. Said Towles talks to him all the time about things.

He is one of the best UK QBs ever and was Towles hs QB coach I would hope Towles talked to him

 

[merrimanm]

He is one of the best UK QBs ever and was Towles hs QB coach I would hope Towles talked to him

Talking to him is one things. Telling him things that are against what the coaches are saying is another. And if he is willing to go on media outlets to bash the recieving core, then I wouldn't put it past him to tell Towles things that will not help him with the staff. And I don't care how good of a QB he was. He was not fundamental and did a lot of stupid things too. I love Lorenzen, but he isn't helping things by saying stuff like this in the media.

 

[Jacktwncat94]

What else is there to do besides bash the receiving core? They haven't made basic plays in weeks. That being said I'm glad Barker plays this week because maybe we will see some effort from them. And if they start catching the ball this week his point will seem valid

 

[merrimanm]

What else is there to do besides bash the receiving core? They haven't made basic plays in weeks. That being said I'm glad Barker plays this week because maybe we will see some effort from them. And if they start catching the ball this week his point will seem valid

Well, he shouldn't bash anyone. There is a way to say things without throwing them under the bus. And Barker playing well would not prove his point necessarily. If Barker is throwing it accurately most of the time (something Towles did not do) then maybe that would be the reason.

 

[screwduke]

You don't need to be "in the know" to see it. Just watch how Dorian Baker played last week the second Towles left the game.

 

[Jacktwncat94]

Why shouldn't he bash them? He has more of a right to bash them than any of us do. And don't get me wrong Pat has thrown some crap balls, but there have been many passes that were easily catch-able that have been dropped.

 

[merrimanm]

Why shouldn't he bash them? He has more of a right to bash them than any of us do. And don't get me wrong Pat has thrown some crap balls, but there have been many passes that were easily catch-able that have been dropped.

I agree they have dropped to many balls. But that could also be due to timing being off from so many poor throws. And you are right, he does know more. And as such, he should know what it is like to be under fire and not pile on. Non of us should bash the players as we don't really know what they are doing or why they are doing it.

 

[theoledog]

Talking to him is one things. Telling him things that are against what the coaches are saying is another. And if he is willing to go on media outlets to bash the recieving core, then I wouldn't put it past him to tell Towles things that will not help him with the staff. And I don't care how good of a QB he was. He was not fundamental and did a lot of stupid things too. I love Lorenzen, but he isn't helping things by saying stuff like this in the media.

Ya know the whole KSR thing is a prime example of what happens when you stick a microphone up to someones mouth...... _ _ it happens!
I really don't see this team playing any different the nest two games but if it does especially on offense... That would be weird...

 

[RealCat41]

You should know the answer to that if you see what shape the country is in, him and a lot like him. Of course that is probably a lost cause anyway since the lawyers are already the majority in almost all of our legislative, judicial, and executive positions-------which are supposed to give us checks and balances but don't because they are in it for a higher cause------money.

Back on subject, to me the idea that any player would intentionally and consciously not play his best in a very close and winnable game which would guarantee us a bowl trip is kind of foolish.

In a normal world I would agree with you.

 

[theoledog]

I think we should get off Bakers ***... He's been dropping passes for two years... He's not all that different than PT... Has a lot of physical talent but it just doesn't alway come together for him... When you think about it they are very similar and should be BFF's... And they just might be.....
This football team has regressed... Hell, even the punter, an All-SEC Frosh, has regressed... Landon Foster hasn't exactly put us in a good spot to win games with his foot but I don't see his name being soiled on this message board... Lets not get carried away with making assumptions.

 

[308955]

This offense has been abysmal across the board. If we are not going to allow excuses for Towles, then lets not make them for the receivers, backs and offensive line. Baker has been allowed to make just as many mistakes as anyone on the team without repercussions. As a result, I find the favoritism claims regarding Towles and his family a bit much. With that said, it is time for this program to move forward from any finger pointing and pouting. Drew Barker and this team still have the opportunity to win two games, beat Louisville and achieve bowl eligibility. Becoming bowl eligible takes on even more importance, now. It would provide Barker and extra month of first team reps and an additional game as the starter. Hopefully, today starts a three game winning streak to end a trying season.

 

[BigBluePhantom]

I doubt anybody tanked a ball on purpose. If they did and it is proved, they should be off the team. I think they may be half-assing it because they are not all in with Towles, the play calling and the coaching. I am most disappointed in our two best players. Boom and Baker have been the biggest under achievers imo. Couple that with god awful play calling and very inconsistent QB play and you have a recipe for no offensive production.

 

[LordEgg_rivals16573]

I'm not saying he isn't but how does anyone know if barker is a better qb?

 

[TBCat]

A coach cannot be held hostage by his players.

True but he can't afford to lose them either. Whatever the breakdown is it needs to end now.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

Yes, guys purposely tanked it over and over again in practice and the coaches we ok with it. My guy "in the know" said the coaches actually encouraged it...

 

[brianpoe]

If our receivers are dropping passes that hit their hands because they are so shocked it was a good pass or a timing issue (perfect timing?) or their lack of confidence to catch balls right at them?? Then we need to fire the coach who recruited them, the coach who trains them, and wish the kid a good life at the pros in something other than sports.

Some of the dumbest and lamest excuses for drops I have ever heard.

Earlier this year it was "circus catches", "in traffic", "db hanging on them"... i guess when provided the screen shots and replays some of you had to find new excuses like these?

WTH?

I guess our oline didnt block well because they were shocked that the QB's cadence was perfect on that play?

Our running backs fumbled on plays because they were shocked the ball was handed off too well?


Get out of here with this wussification.

There are enough excuses for PT to be replaced without making up excuses for our horrible wr play.

Some of it is because some of you claimed this group to be the best ever and they stink.

The oline stinks, special teams stink, game preparation stinks, as does game management.

I'm sure these are all PT's fault as well.



WR's shocked that the balls were right at them and have a lack of confidence to catch them... i have heard it all now.