Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat.......REALLY

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You are using an ad hominem argument here. No, I didn't read or watch what you posted, you know as good as I do that neither one of us is going to change our position on this subject, there is nothing the links could contain that would change my opinion. Just as there is nothing I could link that would change your mind. Every argument for evolution can be disputed, every argument for creation can be disputed, so we could go around and around all day.

Let's say a close family member of yours had cancer and had the choice between going to one of the most prestigious cancer hospitals for care and a clinic run by a man with no formal medical training and a degree in Biblical studies. Both cost identical money. Would you consider it an ad hominem argument to disagree with your family member's decision? And even if you technically thought it was an ad hominem, would that practically matter?

If nothing would change your opinion on the topic, then why did you ask for evidence of evolution twice? Wasn't that a bit disingenuous on your part? I actually did change my mind on this topic many years ago. It can be done.

Yes, you can make an argument to try to disprove evolution. Just because you can formulate an argument, doesn't mean the argument you are formulating contains accurate information. Again, I'd implore you to do some independent research on the topic (TalkOrigins is a great resource).

Evolution is an adherent to the scientific method, "a method of procedure consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses." The Theory, look up the scientific definition of theory, of Evolution was built using the scientific method, the scientific method was not built to accommodate evolution. Evolution is the cornerstone to our modern day, scientific understanding of biology. YEC is not.
 

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I don't believe the flat earth theory but 9/11 was absolutely an inside job. No doubt about it. Anyone who thinks our government isn't capable of this kind of stuff are definitely asleep.

 

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I would feel bad for these people but they are just so pseudo-intellectual. They really think they are just smarter and see what others cannot. Then they try to make you feel dumb and call you names like "sheep" because "you just believe what your told and what you see in the media".
They also have ponytails or manbuns and go to Starbucks. Stupid bastards
 

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I wouldn't be so quick to pull the tin-foil on ubtrapper. I mean, from what I've learned from posters ITT, if an argument, such as 9/11 was not perpetrated by the US government, can be disputed (and we all know the official 9/11 line has been disputed by lots of people), then there's no real way know of discerning who's right and who's wrong. I mean, hell, you can actually find lots of Youtube videos that are really, really long describing how the government set the whole thing up. You could just go around all day with it.
 

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Here are my cut and paste skills:

http://creation.com/creation-scientists

There are thousands upon thousands of scientists who know your secular religion is bunk. I know many of them personally. Here are just a few of the ones who are so wildly successful in their respective fields that they can publicly voice their views and still withstand the resultant attacks on their careers.

Nothing in my other posts was copied at all. It stands to reason you'd claim it all was, though, since you obviously are not conversant enough with the facts to respond to any of my actual arguments. Go ad hominem when you can't go logic.
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I wouldn't be so quick to pull the tin-foil on ubtrapper. I mean, from what I've learned from posters ITT, if an argument, such as 9/11 was not perpetrated by the US government, can be disputed (and we all know the official 9/11 line has been disputed by lots of people), then there's no real way know of discerning who's right and who's wrong. I mean, hell, you can actually find lots of Youtube videos that are really, really long describing how the government set the whole thing up. You could just go around all day with it.

You could, but conspiracy theories always require a giant logical leap. It's never A+B = C with conspiracy nuts. It's A + 36 + J + dust mop = C.

Basically, conspiracy nuts think Alex Jones and his ilk are credible and that is a credibility killer for me, which is consistent with my belief system. I don't do religion because I haven't seen the proof the magic man in the sky is real. Just like with the 9/11 stuff, it's mostly speculation from the "I live in a bunker and think the government has tapped into mah brain" type. They're fun for a laugh but I'd never take those people seriously.
 

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You could, but conspiracy theories always require a giant logical leap. It's never A+B = C with conspiracy nuts. It's A + 36 + J + dust mop = C.

Basically, conspiracy nuts think Alex Jones and his ilk are credible and that is a credibility killer for me, which is consistent with my belief system. I don't do religion because I haven't seen the proof the magic man in the sky is real. Just like with the 9/11 stuff, it's mostly speculation from the "I live in a bunker and think the government has tapped into mah brain" type. They're fun for a laugh but I'd never take those people seriously.
These same people believe that big Pharma likes cancer and that there is an actual Illuminati. Dumb fu@ks
 
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People who dismiss scientific evidence as "ad hominem" are a new kind of dumb.

Seriously, if science and empirical evidence can't "change your mind" and you somehow equate that as being equal to having "faith" you're quite possibly an idiot.
 
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You could, but conspiracy theories always require a giant logical leap. It's never A+B = C with conspiracy nuts. It's A + 36 + J + dust mop = C.

Basically, conspiracy nuts think Alex Jones and his ilk are credible and that is a credibility killer for me, which is consistent with my belief system. I don't do religion because I haven't seen the proof the magic man in the sky is real. Just like with the 9/11 stuff, it's mostly speculation from the "I live in a bunker and think the government has tapped into mah brain" type. They're fun for a laugh but I'd never take those people seriously.

I agree. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but my post was dripping with sarcasm and more of a response to TheKentuckyKid's logic than anything else.
 

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Methodists are pro-temperance. John Wesley was, and the church has been for at least 100+ years. Thomas Welch created the Welch's company to give Methodists a way to receive the Eucharist without drinking alcohol. This is especially true for broad and low church Methodists

It's not the first time we've been called hypocrites. Most Methodist I know in my congregation turn'em up.
 

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Another thing:

To quote that great, right bastard Harlan Ellison...you're not entitled to an opinion. What you're entitled to is an INFORMED opinion.

This thread sorely lacks that...as do most on the internetz.
 

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I guess pictures from space and the fact that the Earth is rotating, giving us night and day are inconsequential. I wonder why there are no photos taken at the edge of the Earth???

Did you take those pictures yourself? How many times have you been to outer space?
 

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The Foucault pendulum experiment proves the earth is a rotating sphere; no amount of cognitive dissonance is going to overcome fundamental math, it's a case of simple geometry and vector calculus.

A quick flat earth Google search and I can't find a cogent flat earth argument explaining it, unsurprisingly.

You can run this experiment yourself, do it at different latitudes youll get different results because of math... It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever in a flat earth snow globe.
 

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The Foucault pendulum experiment proves the earth is a rotating sphere; no amount of cognitive dissonance is going to overcome fundamental math, it's a case of simple geometry and vector calculus.

A quick flat earth Google search and I can't find a cogent flat earth argument explaining it, unsurprisingly.

You can run this experiment yourself, do it at different latitudes youll get different results because of math... It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever in a flat earth snow globe.
Uhhh, so? Pendalams don't mean ****.
 

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Does anybody remember the kids that had trouble in grade school with math and science classes?
 

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Are you really citing as your authority a lecture by a proven con man and criminal who's been convicted of over 50 felony counts and believes, amongst a long list of other loonybird things, that the US govt is responsible for 9/11, the Oklahoma City Bombing and implanting supersecret microchips in us?

It's amazing how easily folks fall for charlatans if the charlatans say things they wish were true.
 
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Does anybody remember the kids that had trouble in grade school with math and science classes?

I rememeber the brainwashing of the department of education. Sort of like evolution. All of those empty dots connecting one sequence to the next. :joy: And you bought it.

I bet you think 6 to 7 million Jews died in WW2 as well.
 
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This thread has me so confused. So does this mean Tubby never really found the fax from Randolph Morris? Did it just evolve on his desk or was it laying on the edge of the earth when the wind caught it?
 
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This thread has me so confused. So does this mean Tubby never really found the fax from Randolph Morris? Did it just evolve on his desk or was it laying on the edge of the earth when the wind caught it?

It's means Tubby may have never existed in the first place. We have no concrete evidence besides atom waste masquerading as reality.

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I rememeber the brainwashing of the department of education. Sort of like evolution. All of those empty dots connecting one sequence to the next. :joy: And you bought it.

I bet you think 6 to 7 million Jews died in WW2 as well.
I think you've proven what you think but I wonder how many Jews if any at all do you think died at German hands in Europe during WWII?
 

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There is no such thing as a ring species, there are no known cases. The last one attempted to be (Phylloscopus trochiloides) used as and example was debunked.
This is actually a good write-up on why this might be the case. Though the mechanisms of speciation are still apparent in what were previously consider ring species.

Just to make sure we're on the same page, what do you consider the definition of macroevolution to be?
 

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Do I deny that 6 million Jews were murdered during the reign of Hitler?

Yea, I do. Research in college kind of made that number impossible. Try it.

"Research" at the same "bible college" that implanted your other nutty beliefs? You'll have to forgive those of us with degrees from more respected and credible institutions for expressing skepticism at your oddball research results.

Man, it can get scary to learn who some of you guys are when the talk strays away from UK basketball. A friggin Holocaust denier. Good lord.
 
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"Research" at the same "bible college" that implanted your other nutty beliefs? You'll have to forgive those of us with degrees from more respected and credible institutions for expressing skepticism at your oddball research results.

Man, it can get scary to learn who some of you guys are when the talk strays away from UK basketball. A friggin Holocaust denier. Good lord.

I only went there for 1 year. I got my degrees from Memphis. Just so you know.

It's not my fault you've bought into department of education propoganda.

I said 6 million didn't die. Not that I didn't believe it happened.

The governments education system didn't help with your lack of comprehension skills.
 

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"Research" at the same "bible college" that implanted your other nutty beliefs? You'll have to forgive those of us with degrees from more respected and credible institutions for expressing skepticism at your oddball research results.

Man, it can get scary to learn who some of you guys are when the talk strays away from UK basketball. A friggin Holocaust denier. Good lord.
I think he is talking from behind a sheet. At any rate he is saying "it was only 3 million". Seems way out there to try and argue numbers about genocide as if it has some bearing on anything.
 

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It's not my fault you've bought into department of education propoganda.
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It's not "department of education propoganda", you dim bulb, instead it's the consensus view of the world's leading research historians all around the globe. Hmmm, whose view should I believe, theirs or the dude with the nutty views posting on the basketball message board? Gee, that's a tough call.

But, what the hell, I'll give you a fair hearing. Lets see the evidence and sourcing behind your claim that only about two or three million perished in the Holocaust. This oughta be fun.
 
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It's not "department of education propoganda", you dim bulb, instead it's the consensus view of the world's leading research historians all around the globe. Hmmm, whose view should I believe, theirs or the dude with the nutty views posting on the basketball message board? Gee, that's a tough call.

But, what the hell, I'll give you a fair hearing. Lets see the evidence and sourcing behind your claim that only about two or three million perished in the Holocaust. This oughta be fun.

I stated earlier, I don't play "research for me" games. Don't care enough about what you believe.

At one time the "consensus" was the earth was flat. It was a "consensus" that Saddam Hussein had WMD's. It was a "consensus" that homosexuals had a brain disorder and were listed as such in the dsm. A science thing, ya know. Your God.

How much of that do you still believe?