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Nope. Government has given your employer a choice. They're going to elect to stay open and require you to get vaccinated or to leave.
Now the ball is in your court.
But you 100% have a choice.
Actually these other people have read posts on Facebook and watched Youtube videos so they know more than you
You said the government isn’t forcing the mandate. That’s factually incorrect.
Not sure where the Mod's are today and why this is still up. Having said that, until the geniuses in Washington DC begin factoring natural immunity details into their political knee-jerk decisions, they have no credibility or grounds for making these decisions.
The government isn't forcing you to get the shot. They are giving your employer a choice. Your employer doesn't want to close, so they will comply.
Now you have a choice to get the shot.
This started with the government. I've said that 5 times now. You win. Government involved. But you are not FORCED to take the shot.
Exactly, they’ll comply. It’s absolute horse ****. No matter how you try and spin it.
Not directed at cats192From the same country who condones the murder of innocent children because it’s “her body her choice”.
You guys are on borrowed time. History is going to curb stomp some of you.
I'm a physician. That sees covid patients daily. I'm probably the most up to speed person in this thread.
And I’m fine with your opinion on the virus, but not the politics. That’s one of my fields actually. And you’re dead wrong, people cannot survive without their work, and some people live in very rural areas where there are not a lot of jobs. They CANT leave. Honestly it seems your position in life doesn’t lend the ability to understand the people who don’t have it so good.
Some of the highest rates of anti-vax peoples are black. They don’t trust you, a physician, and they don’t trust the government. You might know why, and if you don’t, research it. What do we do with them? Let’s get down to where this issue isn’t so easy.
what’s going here is politics has completely screwed people up. They want to paint a picture of unvaccinated people being gun toting red neck trump supporters, when the facts are it isn’t true.
So what we need to do is find ways to force the large populations of African Americans to do what their government tells them, and get the shot. Why isn’t this the biggest angle? Because you can’t create infighting this way.
I wish more people would wake up to things that really, don’t have anything to do with the virus.
You guys are on borrowed time. History is going to curb stomp some of you.
I'm a physician. That sees covid patients daily. I'm probably the most up to speed person in this thread.
And I’m fine with your opinion on the virus, but not the politics. That’s one of my fields actually. And you’re dead wrong, people cannot survive without their work, and some people live in very rural areas where there are not a lot of jobs. They CANT leave. Honestly it seems your position in life doesn’t lend the ability to understand the people who don’t have it so good.
Some of the highest rates of anti-vax peoples are black. They don’t trust you, a physician, and they don’t trust the government. You might know why, and if you don’t, research it. What do we do with them? Let’s get down to where this issue isn’t so easy.
what’s going here is politics has completely screwed people up. They want to paint a picture of unvaccinated people being gun toting red neck trump supporters, when the facts are it isn’t true.
So what we need to do is find ways to force the large populations of African Americans to do what their government tells them, and get the shot. Why isn’t this the biggest angle? Because you can’t create infighting this way.
I wish more people would wake up to things that really, don’t have anything to do with the virus.
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Sure. And those with natural immunity that don't want the vaccine have a reasonable stance.
But the majority of people that don't want the shot aren't running around preaching how they've got antibodies. They just don't want to be forced to have immunity.
I think even with an exception for those with antibodies--we're still looking at a very large part of our population that doesn't have and doesn't intend to get the vaccine.
I don't..... I don't think you know how vaccines work lol
You can still get Covid even with the vaccine. Does that sound like immunity to you? Asking for a friend. I’m fully aware of how vaccines are supposed to work.
Doesn’t seem fair if a backed person gets COVID no PTO but a non vaxxed has to. Either way you got COVID, if you have natural immunity do you still have to use PTO? If so, that’s BS.
I have natural immunity. I don’t want the shot.
This is a complex issue that you’re oversimplifying and now claiming you know what people are thinking.
This is the problem with this entire scenario. It’s scary from a historical prospective.
This. Many times over. This.
I don’t get the fuss over the vaccine thing. Vaccine mandates are not something new, we’ve been living with them successfully for over a half century now, and they work (anyone you know die of polio or smallpox recently?). So why are we now acting like this is something new? We just have a society that today seems programmed to look for any excuse to complain.
It’s free, it doesn’t take much time, it’s relatively painless, so just friggin do it and stop whining.
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I commend and stand with the bravery some of these players! IT IS A CHOICE! This madness has to stop or we are all screwed. The vaccine doesn't work, this is an ongoing experiment, natural immunity is atleast 13x stronger than any vaccine known to man and this isn't even a vaccine. The definition of a vaccine is to protect you from infection. The vaccinated are why we have variants and why this coronavirus is still here. You CANNOT eliminate a virus, you have to just let it run it's course like any other cold/flu. Do they want to inject everyone so there is no control group when this all goes south, which it will? Also, what will they say when every person is vaccinated but COVID is still running rampant and worse? Common sense and a little research goes a long way. BTW, Pfizer is still NOT approved.
Yet there is no reasonable inclusion of natural immunity by your politicians into their decisions that affect every citizen.
It's most likely that the vast majority of people either are vaccinated and/or have natural immunity. And, that we are much closer to herd immunity than is being acknowledged.
There are also valid concerns about the erosion of liberty in play here. Whether you agree with it or like it or not.
Everything has to do with the virus. We're talking about a vaccine that was created for the virus. We're talking about mandates because...we're still in a pandemic from the virus. The NFL, NBA, NCAA, MLB, etc. have all had to change how they do business because of the virus. You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think the virus doesn't affect everything.
I grew up very poor. And if my dad lost his job as a security guard at the coal mines--I'm not sure what we would have done. But I also know my dad who had to take a lot of vaccines would just man up and take another one so he could feed his family.
I am indifferent to your choice. When this thing took off--no one asked me if I wanted to take care of patients with a deadly contagious virus. There was no choice. This was the job. I could quit and go make less money doing something else. I care about other people, and I like my job and paying my bills--so I made the choice to do something I wasn't crazy about doing.
And because of selfish people like yourself--this pandemic has raged on for over a year and a half. So I'm constantly getting to take care of people--much like yourself--who knew their own risk. Who all think that they should have taken the vaccine because they didn't understand "THIS IS WHAT REALLY SICK LOOKS LIKE?"
So, no. I'm some rich jerk who is ignorant of your need to work. I'm a guy who stepped up from the beginning. And now annoyed that people like you don't think they should have to do their part in ending a pandemic. So, forgive me if I don't care that you have to choose between the shot and your livelihood. I had to choose between daily exposure and my livliehood.
Employers have mandated vaccines for decades. Was that an erosion of liberty? If so, then wasn't it already eroded?
And Bradley Beal and Jonathan Isaac! This is just getting started, there will be many more!
If I had known you had thousands of hours of clinical research I wouldn't even of responded. My apologies for stepping into a conversation that I did not belong in. I now know more people that have had massive hours of clinical research than passing away from the vaccine.
God bless you and your family!
In 2020, there was no pandemic. Since the vaccine rolled out, NOW we are in one. We have to protect the vaccinated, right?
Yes you can. You can also get COVID again after already having it once before. Both give you an immunity to the virus. The whole point of a vaccine is to train your body to defeat a virus. It teaches your body to create antibodies without actually infecting you with the disease. Natural immunity does the same, but you have to get covid first.
The efficacy for infections has dropped due to the new variant, but the efficacy for mortality has stayed relatively the same
The biggest mistake in all of this was making the vaccine free and accessible to everyone.
If they charged 1,000$ a shot and only health care workers, politicians and millionaires could get it--then people would be irate it was being held from them.
Make it free and easily accessible at every pharmacy and drug store--"I don't trust it."
If they charged 1,000$ a shot and only health care workers, politicians and millionaires could get it--then people would be irate it was being held from them.
Make it free and easily accessible at every pharmacy and drug store--"I don't trust it."
90% of the league is already vaccinated. Including KD, Lebron, and Giannis. The three most polarizing players in the league.
You chose a profession that is now going to require you get the vaccine. Life's hard. Go cry about it cry baby.
What do we do with the millions of Black Americans who do not want the shot because of historical precedent? Half of the white population has encouraged black paranoia, but now? We’re just going to ignore this?
The mandate came out as a direct result of the Afghanistan mess. It was a redirection effort. This is not debatable.
I appreciate your post o your life experiences. I definitely was not saying I know how you came up, but that maybe right now you’ve forgotten that some people can’t quit their job. What do you think we should do with a black man who doesn’t want the vaccine because he doesn’t trust you, but can’t quit his job? Some of you need to start answering this question. It’s pretty important to the discussion.
It has a 99+% survival rate. Open and shut case. Y’all have a good one. I’m exhausted from this thread.
Lakers are fully vaccinated it sounds like. LeBron is in the business of winning and knows that covid disruptions will hurt that.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers--fully vaccinated. Tom Brady isn't missing out on a ring because someone didn't take their shots.
It's around 98.5% in the US. But hey screw those 1.5% am I right. That's only like 4.9 million people
Y’all are some real stupid people. Have a nice day.
We really should just get rid of the FDA and CDC. I have some wonderful tonics that will treat just about anything.
In my lifetime I'm not aware of vaccinations being required by any entity except for public schools and the military. Maybe there are some others I'm not familiar with. Covid has a 99% survival rate and can't or shouldn't in any way be compared to something like polio.
I get you with KD and LeBron, but how is Giannis “polarizing”? I’ve never encountered anyone who doesn’t like that guy.
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