Kyrsten Sinema Just left the Democrat Party.
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My understanding is she can take 'em or leave 'em.
I wonder which side she is going caucus with. Both sides have nuts.
The portal will ruin politics as we know it.
"I know some people might be a little bit surprised by this," Sinema told CNN's Jake Tapper. "But, actually, I think it makes a lot of sense. ... I've never fit neatly into any party box. I've never really tried. I don't want to."
Good question.
I honestly wish everybody up there was an independent and voted on their conscience as opposed to what is dictated to them from a governing body of their party. As it stands now if anyone dares to disagree (either side) they are treated as traitors and publicly shunned. The party will throw their full weight behind ruining them. The only real option is to conform. If everyone up there just answered to their constituents it would be so much better: the problem now is that the constituents are fed bull by the parties (both sides) whenever their representatives don’t stay in line. This in turn makes the constituents turn against them. Once again, you have to do what you are told by the party. It really isn’t the way democracy is supposed to work. And before someone blows a gasket, I know it’s not quite this simple. Also to be clear, I consider myself an independent and think that everyone in DC is worthless.
Also. In before the lock.
also, still haven’t got that PS5
Also. In before the lock.
also, still haven’t got that PS5
Can I watch?I guess for my joke to land, one needed to know she is bisexual.
I guess for my joke to land, one needed to know she is bisexual.
So she was lying when she said she doesn’t fit neatly into a box?
Given she voted with the Biden agenda > 90% of the time, my guess is she caucuses with dems bc she wants to keep her committee chairs/appointments. Question is: what does she think she's going to do long-term politically? She'll get primaried in AZ or lose a general as an independent. Not sure how this benefits her nationally if she thinks she could run for president or be on the ticket as VP one day. Squeaky wheel things, most likely.
Joe Manchin, you are on the clock!
No, this is the reason she did this. She can't be primaried now, because there's no primary. If she caucuses with Democrats, then she can keep them from running a candidate against her in the general (as that candidate would split votes with her, and the Republican would get elected). Democrats do not run candidates against independents that caucus with them, like Angus King and Bernie.
It's a pretty brilliant, and deeply cynical move. She's not stupid. She's couching this in her deep convictions that "the system is broken" but it's 100% just about her ability to keep her job since she's pissed off so many people in 'her party'.
Didn't know who she was until this thread. Since the Senate just swung to the Dems at 51, her moving independent puts it back in potential deadlock giving her some additional power. Is there any chance that she leverages that power for pay to vote one way or the other? The way I see it she has them all by the short hairs now.
The Senate realized long ago that having a 50/50 split is best for all of their wallets
she will caucus with the Dems. Just like Bernie. It won't change the tilt of the Senate one bit. This is all about making her some dough being a "moderate". That's where the money is. There's no money in being a guaranteed vote that can be counted on
I have said it for years. Two parties, once congressional country club.
Right. "Deep convictions", though. Just another way market yourself as being on the take. She'll teeter back and forth as the money dictates.
Forgive me, but I felt she left the party like 2 years ago.
Yep. The whole primary system is rigged to protect the two parties.
It always gives me a bit of a chuckle that Kyrsten Sinema is the dirtiest sounding name possible and she's a US Senator.
Two possibilities:
She's not crazy, and this is all a very cynical, deliberate sell out to Wall Street. She won't run again, and will pick from cushy Board appointments, speaking gigs, and punditry.
She's full of herself and thinks she's the next John McCain, and doesn't realize all she's doing is pissing off everyone. If she actually runs for reelection, her loss will be epic.
There will absolutely be a primary. There has to be, or there's no Dem candidate. The Party can't stop people from running, they can just deny support. She's too unpopular to win as an independent. The Party will not support her, there would be a revolt if they did. She can play spoiler, that's it.
The thing about her that will slip by, cause merica, is that she hasn't even attempted to do anything on any issue that she could say puts her at odds with Dems, other than help her rich donors.
Has to be the former. Surely she's smart enough to know people don't believe her new found centrist schtick. She was a Green Party activist and self described socialist at one point. Not to suggest people don't change over time (I surely have), but that's quite a move right for an elected official. Far from the party shifting left of her. It's 100% opportunistic and not about AZ voters.
Doesn’t really change much. She’s planning to caucus with Dems like Bernie. With the House flipping, the biggest thing the Senate will do over the next 2 years is appoint Dem judges. I don’t see her leaving slowing that down.
She doesn’t have much of a future, IMO. The AZ Dem censured her last year (whatever that’s worth). Kelly has been poster-child, but she nearly tanked the Inflation Reduction Act protecting Wall-Street. It looks like she has her hand out and she thinks this opens doors.
She doesn’t have much of a future, IMO. The AZ Dem censured her last year (whatever that’s worth). Kelly has been poster-child, but she nearly tanked the Inflation Reduction Act protecting Wall-Street. It looks like she has her hand out and she thinks this opens doors.
Gotta be something in the water in Arizona. Kerri Lake was an anti-war Buddhist until relatively recently.
I’d hit the anti-war Buddhist too…
Yep. Before her, there was Evan Bayh.
Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh announced today that will not seek a third term -- a huge blow to Democrats and an opportunity for Republicans to pick up another Senate seat in 2010.
"There are better ways to serve my fellow citizens," Bayh said at a news conference this afternoon. "I love working for the people of Indiana. I love helping our citizens make the most of their lives, but I do not love Congress."
Bayh, who served two terms as governor of Indiana, said he was concerned about the excessive partisanship in national politics.
There is "too much narrow ideology and not enough practical problem solving," Bayh said today, surrounded by his wife and two sons. "People's business is not getting done."
primary ballot vacant for U.S. Senate.
In an interview with ABC News last month, Bayh warned that if Democrats ignored the lessons of the Massachusetts Senate race -- in which Republican Scott Brown emerged as the victor -- it will "lead to even further catastrophe" for the party.
"There's going to be a tendency on the part of our people to be in denial about all this," Bayh said, but "if you lose Massachusetts and that's not a wake-up call, there's no hope of waking up."
In 2008, Bayh was on Barack Obama's short list for vice president, but he emerged as a critical voice in the Democratic party. According to an analysis by Congressional Quarterly, he voted against Obama's position, where clearly stated, more than any other Senate Democrat -- on 23 percent of 79 Senate votes.
ABC News' David Chalian, Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller contributed to this report.
But then.......
According to the Associated Press, Bayh spent a significant portion of his last year in office searching for a job, holding over four dozen meetings with potential corporate employers between February and December 2010.[29] He also cast votes on issues of interest to his future corporate employers.[29] A CNN analysis of Bayh's internal 2009 schedule found that he "maneuvered behind the scenes" and "privately engaged with fundraisers, lobbyists and donors who had a keen interest on the issues dominating Capitol Hill," raising potential conflict-of-interest concerns. His meetings included sessions with lobbyists for the health insurance industry prior to his announcement that he would support the Affordable Care Act.[30]
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