Lack of Skill vs. Bad Luck

DawgNDCity

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I remember Billy Donovan saying a few years ago that the secret to winning it all is just to keep making it to the big dance and eventually the stars will align and you will win one (or in his case two). Considering UM's failures to reach the CWS and our failures to make it to the second weekend of the NCAA, do you think that he is right?

What is it about Stans and Bianco that they cannot get to the next level when they almost always put talent on the court/field and are generally successful? Is it bad luck, bad strategy, lack of talent?

What say you?
 

Mjoelner

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Luck only gets you so far. See our recent trip to Omaha. The stars aligned and we played our asses off for a couple of weeks. Eventually, that runs out and talent/coaching gets you to the next level and wins championships. Even when someone 'lucks' up and wins a championship and snatches victory from the jaws of defeat in a championship game, that 'lucky' team still has the talent and coaching to beat the **** out of your team that isn't there.

Bottom line is: 1. You do not 'luck' yourself to a championship. 2. Talent alone will beat a lot of teams and can get you to post season play. 3. Coaching can take sub-par talent to post season play. 4. You need coaching and talent to be a champion and a little luck doesn't hurt either.

MSU has had all 4 and BAD luck kept us from wining it all in '85. The closest we've come since then was '99 when #4 beat us again. Look for basketball next year and football in 2011 to see if we can finally beat #4. I don't know when we'll do it in baseball. Even though that's my favorite sport, I can't judge our pitchers until I see them in the fire against SEC hitting.

Just one man's opinion. Take it with a grain of salt if you wish.
 

Coach34

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"Is it bad luck, bad strategy, lack of talent?"

There is always something that happens that shows you what went wrong. In Stansbury's case it has been all three:

vs Texas in Dallas?- tough game, but that wasnt Texas' home floor...it was winnable but could be in the bad luck category with the draw
vs Butler? bad strategy. Butler was well-coached and had a very good team, but we were better and should have won
vs Xavier? they got hot and played better than we did that day
vs Dook? bad strategy- zoning Dook to this day is the dumbest thing Stansbury has done. Dook scored on 5 of the 6 trips we zoned them. That was huge in a close game
vs Mempho? lack of talent. We played as well as we could play and still lost. Only question on Stansbury is that we could have started fouling earlier. Who knows?
vs Washington? Got pushed around in the post and was also a very tired team. Probably a closer game with another day of rest. But bad luck was part of this one.

Bianco?? Hard to say. They dont lack talent when you consider the draft picks recently. Their 2nd baseman choked this one away in game 2 by not making that throw. He's not doing something to get the job done. The SEC is the top conference in the nation and they compete for the title each year. Basketball is a different story, the SEC is about 4th or 5th.

Stansbury gets another legitimate shot this coming season- we'll see what happens
 

RebelBruiser

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is when he said that his team didn't have to be better than the other 64 teams in the tournament. They just had to be better than 6 of them on 6 nights.

As for the luck thing, I think you make some of that to an extent. We had a lot of hard hit balls this weekend that didn't find holes. However, if you were at the games, you saw that UVA was shifting their outfield and infield sometimes within the same at bat based on how they were pitching our hitters. You might say it was unlucky that we couldn't find those gaps, but I'd argue that UVA made their own luck by closing those holes and forcing us to hit into the teeth of their defense more often than not.

I think luck can play a role, though I'm a bit of a believer that you make your own luck to an extent.
 

rhs43

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It's all about getting breaks, and then what you can do with those breaks. You have to capitalize on the breaks you get.
 

anon1751035439

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Comparatively speaking, I think that our best baseball teams have had better talent than your best basketball teams. We were often in the top ten in recruiting when Dan was on the staff. Therefore, I believe that Bianco has under-achieved more than Stans.

Having said that, baseball results are more subject to bad bounces and intangibles than basketball. Look no further than Fresno State last year. In basketball terms, they were about a sixteen seed. They barely made a regional and ended up winning the title. No sixteen seed has even won a game in a tourney, much less the title. Also consider USM this year. Their coach is retiring and they rise up and play inspired ball and get to Omaha. I don't think they made the elite eight in Turk's last year. I say this to point out that collegiate baseball is quite different than basketball.

Baseball is more about momentum coupled with coaching and talent. Again, see Fresno State. Basketball is more about talent coupled with coaching and momentum. North Carolina's basketball championship run had less to do with momentum than talent and coaching.

I seriously believe that if you get Renardo on campus next year you will have the talent necessary to make some noise. I also think Stans is an above average coach. Therefore, it will only be a matter of hitting your stride at the right time.

For us in baseball? I seriously don't know what it will take. After the regular season was over I really thought this was going to be the year. But, alas.
 

Todd4State

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On strategy- I do believe that you have to have a good coach that is willing to make the right moves. Look at this weekends SR in Oxford. Other than not bringing in his closer at the beginning of the ninth, O'Conner for Virginia made many aggressive coaching decisions like double steals and things like that, and overall I think he outcoached Bianco, who was doing things like bunting in the first inning. I think you have to have a coach who has a good "feel" for the game and for making a good decision that is against the grain. I think Augie Garrido is a good example of a coach having a good "feel" for the game. Polk, on the other hand did not have a good feel for the game, and while he won a lot of games by being a good teacher, he was not able to make the crucial decision that would be the difference between winning a Championship and second or third place.

On talent- I would rather have unbelivable talent than a great coach. Players can overshadow poor coaching a lot of times. On the other hand, you can put Augie Garrido at Arkansas State, and he might be able to get them to a regional or whatever, but they still won't come close to winning a NC. Why? Their talent won't hold up against a team that is even averagely coached that has a lot better talent. Talent is essential to winning a Championship. Look how far MSU got with Clark, Palmeiro, and Thigpen and Van Cleve and Theisen setting the table. That's only half of a lineup. And then we had two great pitchers in Brantley and Morgan and then Thigpen at closer. Our 85 team was not particulary deep, but our best players were REALLY, REALLY good. If we have one more pitcher, we win a NC in my opinion.

On luck- My feeling on that is that all you can do is control what you can, and you can't worry about what you can't. If you're going to win a Championship, you're probably going to have to knock off a Texas or a LSU at some point. You're not going get a bunch of Alcorn State's. In baseball, anything can happen. You just have to focus on the scouting reports and exectution. If you do that, you'll at least be able to hold your head up at the end of the day. Baseball is hard to play, and you're not going to ever see a game where every single pitch is located perfectly and everything is textbook. You just have to prepare as best as you can, remember the fundamentals of the game, and then go out and do it to the best of your ability. Whenever you lose, it's usually because of a combination of things- it's never one bad call by the umpire or just one bad pitch, or bad at bat. You have to look at the game critically and learn from your mistakes.