I watched a piece by this guy yesterday. He did a very interesting analysis of QB play and concludes that Kotelnicki's scheme and Allar's skill set are at odds. He cited two minute drills where Penn State goes to pretty much a spread offense where Allar's skill set shines. He contrasted this with the second half of the Wisconsin game from last year where Pribula shined due to his skill set matching Kotelnicki's scheme. It was an interesting presentation
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Landon is a former PSU OLineman who had to stop playing due to injury. I enjoy his analysis and I think he has good connections in the program and knows what he is talking about.
I agee that I enjoy his insight. Are we saying he knows more football after playing 4 years of high school and 3 years of college than all the PSU coaches (offensive) combined?
There is no doubt that Franklin and AK are more comfortable with dual threat qbs. Allar is a pocket passer who is athletic enough to pick up yards when needed. McSorely and Clifford were both better runners. Allar would have been better off with the quick tempo of a Moorhead offense vs this one. But regardless of scheme, Drew is still not doing what he needs to do to succeed. There is no excuse for missing wide open wrs and easy throws to the flat. It is telling that our wrs portal out to much greater success elsewhere.
What I don't understand is that this is the basically the same offensive personnel, minus Warren and the receiving group, which probably is better this season, that scored a lot of points against Oregon on a fast track and physically dominated three playoff teams with the running game. I just hope that a lot of this has been apathetic play in games in which they had basically no chance of losing.
Based on the makeup of the o-line, the offensive scheme probably should be similar to what the Cowboys ran under Jimmy Johnson when they had a physical o-line and played power football. Our o-line is big but not athletic. Rather than have them try to execute elaborate moves, they just should be blocking straight ahead and wear down the d-line as the game proceeds. With that said, the most important player on offense needs to be better plain and simple.
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Yeah. The BIG question though is how this mismatch came about. Who thought that pairing Kotelnicky's RPO offense with a 5-star drop-back, pro-style passer would be a good idea?
UGA, Michigan and OSU haven't run a RPO offense in years, yet they've won the last four NCs. To me, I don't see any difference between what those teams ran and what we're running right now. The scheme probably is good enough to win, but some of the players executing it, especially the qb and o-line, need to do it better.
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All QBs miss some easy throws
Those WR are having success in different scheme. In our scheme, it requires precise route running which Trey couldn't do.
It's telling you have no clue what you're talking about
If AK adapts his offense to his talent we'd be infinitely better but he's stubborn. It's why I was hoping he'd leave after last year.
The OP neither said nor implied that. He said LT's analysis was interesting and explained why. Have you watched or listened to any of Tengwall's shows? I think he is both refreshingly candid and very insightful.
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I'm willing to guarantee Allar starts running the ball vs Oregon. Whether it's designed QB runs or keeping it on the read option. For this offense to be fully effective and to take some pressure off the RBs, Allar is going to need to run it. He wouldn't have lost all that weight and Franklin talked about how he transformed his body all offseason, for him to show no threat.
I guarantee Franklin told him no running in these first 3 games to keep him healthy. Franklin even made a comment in his presser after Nevada that he thought Allar wasn't smart on one of his scrambles.
I guarantee Franklin told him no running in these first 3 games to keep him healthy. Franklin even made a comment in his presser after Nevada that he thought Allar wasn't smart on one of his scrambles.
No Paywall. Just Tengwall. He is great. I love his Sunday morning show with Goon Conlin. It is pure fun. Tengwall appreciates the history that Goon carries with him.
This is why there was a message thread on rivals board asking the moderators to ban you. But on ignore you go, didn’t take long.
FFS!!! How the hell did you interpret my comment into this stoopid arse question?
Don't agree with the last part. AK definitely adapted his offense to Warren when he saw how good he was.
No, he is good, but he's also creating content for clicks.
Drew hands the ball off when doing the read option because against the cupcake part of the schedule that is what he has been told to do. Things will change a bit there moving forward.
I don't think he really changed it. He just uses Warren in his wildcat package. Sure there were some special plays for him but the entire offense should be designed around strengths.
That's still not RPO because there's no pass option
Allar shouldn't be running read options
I do agree that's what he's been told to do.
Of course that had to be CJF. I think Coach K will be HC somewhere after this season.
They didn't want Drew to run the first 3 weeks. If James and AK believed the Beau was the better fit...they could easily have kept him.
Imagine losing Allar for the season running in one of the first 3 games. It would have sent the BWICAC into emergency executive session. LOL
I enjoy him. He has more insight than all the other similar programs. My suggestion is that if he thinks the disconnect is scheme vs skill set, his theory isn't correct. I don't know how good PSU can be. No one does yet. But I do believe the running game for 3 weeks was 10 vs 11 by design.
Perhaps he's one of CJFs super secret agents disseminating football disinformation. LOL
No. I think he has transitioned from athlete to media person. He needs to produce a show that fans find interesting and more importantly entertaining. I think he's doing a pretty good job.
Works for me
Kind of a little confusing 🫤 right
All we ever hear is how JF likes dual threats
All we ever hear is his AK’s system is better with dual threats
yet the only one we really ever had was kind of by mistake
if that’s what you want to do then why wouldn’t that be the type of QB you recruit
OR
change your system to fit the personnel you do recruit
There is a big distinction between a running QB that can throw and a QB that is primarily a passer but is able to run. I think Franklin prefers the latter. It's been about a decade since a true running QB has won a NC. No?Kind of a little confusing 🫤 right
All we ever hear is how JF likes dual threats
All we ever hear is his AK’s system is better with dual threats
yet the only one we really ever had was kind of by mistake
if that’s what you want to do then why wouldn’t that be the type of QB you recruit
OR
change your system to fit the personnel you do recruit
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Landon Tengwall part II. More analysis of the passing game showed that EIGHT TIMES the same pattern was run. The farthest wideout would go straight out and the inside receiver(the target) would do an out pattern. Drew was locking in on the out pattern and Villanova began to sit on it. The other piece of film was the running game and Singleton missing the opening compared to Allen setting up blocks and making the right cut. Tengwall was adamant about no more RB 1 and RB 1a. It has to be Allen. Feel free to shoot this messenger but I would encourage you to check out Tengwall's analysis of the Villanova game
I agree with you
semantics aside we have not been recruiting (and keeping) a passer that is able to run
Listen - I love DA - but it kind of feels like a little bit of a square peg round hole situation doesn’t it
Drew's problems have more to do with the amount of time it takes him to make a read.... and the quality of the read he ultimately makes... then AK. The play last Saturday where Drew butchered his read directly off the snap (Kyron Hudson ran a Flag Pattern from the left-slot and immediately broke open and was running by himself 15 yards behind the closest defender as the Villanova secondary blew their matchup coverage assignments), then took forever to go through additional reads in a panicked fashion to the point where he began to feel pressure, when the ball should have been out long prior (it had zero to do with the OL or pressure) and then he finally chooses to throw it to the TE on the sideline where the defender has near insurmountable inside-out leverage was a MICROCOSM of Drew's problems at QB.
Drew's best throw of the entire game is also instructive - the throw to Trebor Pena running a Skinny Post just prior to halftime. Drew made the CORRECT read off the snap, saw that Pena had "inside leverage" on the DB (i.e., advantage receiver on a Skinny Post) - he immediately committed to the correct throw (a heater), got the ball out quickly.... made a great throw and threw a TD pass.
Against Oregon, Drew is going to need to take off after 3 to 4 seconds in the pocket if he has not committed to something.... he should keep his eyes downfield and throw on the move if something breaks open, but he has to stop sitting in the pocket with happy feet and patting the ball for an eternity until pressure develops.... and then throwing extremely late to 3rd and 4th reads that are no longer open by the time he throws it. If Drew takes off after 3 or 4 seconds, it will put far more pressure on the defense as he now has the addition option of threatening the defense by just continuing to run which often will allow receivers to break open late as the defense breaks down trying to address the QB in the open field.
In essence, Drew does not "extend plays" like great QBs do, but rather just "delays" plays/reads with no meaningful improvement.
Drew's best throw of the entire game is also instructive - the throw to Trebor Pena running a Skinny Post just prior to halftime. Drew made the CORRECT read off the snap, saw that Pena had "inside leverage" on the DB (i.e., advantage receiver on a Skinny Post) - he immediately committed to the correct throw (a heater), got the ball out quickly.... made a great throw and threw a TD pass.
Against Oregon, Drew is going to need to take off after 3 to 4 seconds in the pocket if he has not committed to something.... he should keep his eyes downfield and throw on the move if something breaks open, but he has to stop sitting in the pocket with happy feet and patting the ball for an eternity until pressure develops.... and then throwing extremely late to 3rd and 4th reads that are no longer open by the time he throws it. If Drew takes off after 3 or 4 seconds, it will put far more pressure on the defense as he now has the addition option of threatening the defense by just continuing to run which often will allow receivers to break open late as the defense breaks down trying to address the QB in the open field.
In essence, Drew does not "extend plays" like great QBs do, but rather just "delays" plays/reads with no meaningful improvement.
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Did you complain when ak was hired?
If allar was such a bad fit then what was your prediction for psu last year and this year?
But Moorhead's office wasn't really quick tempo. They'd get up to the LOS right away then look over to the sideline to get a play, then get set, then look over again, then change the play, then hand off to Saquon 5 yards deep at a stand still.
