The difficulty of recruiting at Pedo State needs to be taken into account here. That university has a permanent stain on it.
Larry Brown - claims SC vetting Franklin
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The difficulty of recruiting at Pedo State needs to be taken into account here. That university has a permanent stain on it.
They were all Cutty’s recruits. That win has nothing to do with Clay and more with the talent USC had on the field. Cutty was a great recruiter (horrible coach) but could sell ice to Eskimos. Clay was just the ultimate Hack that was in over his head but he is laughing to the bank.
Wait why? I'm seriously trying to guess what ppl have in mind at this point. lol
Why do the goalposts keep moving?
Against Franklin because of past scandals.
But Meyer is fine despite his past scandals.
Franklin has no championship experience like Meyer. Neither does Fickell but he's fine to get? I don't know exactly why the rules are different for Franklin..... It was mentioned he lost to Helton, but yet Petersen would be fine? SMH
Honestly I don't know if any of the names being thrown around will want to come to USC. Especially with a short term deal.
Against Franklin because of past scandals.
But Meyer is fine despite his past scandals.
Franklin has no championship experience like Meyer. Neither does Fickell but he's fine to get? I don't know exactly why the rules are different for Franklin..... It was mentioned he lost to Helton, but yet Petersen would be fine? SMH
Honestly I don't know if any of the names being thrown around will want to come to USC. Especially with a short term deal.
I doubt whatever is being offered will be short term. But agreed, folks are all over the place with their criteria. To me as long as they have experience, demand accountability, and know how to develop players. To go along with having a plan to get USC back to the top. We should be in great hands.
No longer do I want to feel like the head coach is treating the fanbase like some fools. With the results on gameday not matching up with what's being said after each practice.
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You think kids know or care about that ancient history? Like Baylor can't recruit bball players because once upon a time a player killed his teammate?
Damn. I wish they would make a hire. Y’all mf’s find something wrong with everyone. Urban isn’t leaving early enough to take this job. Saban isn’t coming at all. Cristobal is a dream but would be a nice get. Folks find something wrong with Fickell who is in a low level conference, they don’t like Franklin, O’Brien failed as a GM so therefore he can’t coach, Campbell can’t beat Iowa, Fleck is a cheerleader, Eric B doesn’t call plays, Deion is too swaggy and is not a real coach, CDW has no HC experience, yada yada yada. Geez let it end
I don't have strong opinions on either of the coaches (I'm still on the "anyone will be better than clay" train) but Peterson lost a regular season game to Helton, Franklin lost with a month to prepare.
Let's be clear about how this stuff happens. When you have a big list of potential candidates, you look for filters that can quickly help you to eliminate the majority of them and get down to a manageable list relatively quickly. When I coach my clients on how to evaluate proposals, that's part of the approach. USC is probably still in the filtering stage.
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Absolutely. Both kids and their parents know and care about it.
Penn State is a program with a rich history, but it's not top 5 all-time certainly and arguably not even top 10. So expecting them to bring in a top recruiting class every year, on top of the pedo scandal, is asking a lot.
After a long and exhaustive search for our next Head Coach we select Donte Williams.
The numbers are similar when you don’t apply context. Franklin took over a team that’s a known doormat and team on sanctions. Clay took over stacked roster. Nothing similar about that. Franklin lost to the best SC team in the past 13 or 14 years with the best QB we’ve he since Matt Leinart. He has also beat Urban Meyer and Chris Petersen. The same Chris Petersen that people love who also lost at home to Helton. He’s at the top of my B group with Petersen. The top level is Meyer and Stoops. Next would be Franklin and Petersen imo.How much better than Clay Helton?
Checks all the boxes for people tho.
Head Coach experience
He’s in my B group because I thought he should’ve had PS in the playoffs by now. This years team could do it. Another obstacle is his buyout is going to be insane? He’s like a 6 million a year coach that signed a extension last year?
His coaching record is 63-28
Clay Helton was 46-24
Very similar numbers….Clay even beat him head to head?
Heritage Hall has not spoke with, winked at, or vetted anyone yet. This was as of 7:00pm on 9/22/21.
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They will never end up number 1 they don’t have the base to do that so your whole point is dumb to begin with. Penn State is recruiting at the highest level it ever has period. The points some of you try to make against the man are literally dumb as hell. Penn state has never had a top 5 class before Franklin ever. He had Vandy ranked in the 20s...
They've had to do something but the setting up process must be pretty down the line. It's only been a week.
This surprises me. I thought that Joe Paterno recruited well, especially back when Pennsylvania was also a HS football hotbed.
Franklin doesn't excite me, but he does check a lot of boxes.
Then again, so did Larry Smith.
So no Chris Petersen then? Maybe we should forget urban then because he managed to lose to someone that lost to Helton?
Correct.
I spoke with someone pretty high up the food chain after practice for about 10-minutes. None of the rumor and chatter on the internet has happened.
Yes. Since Clay Helton was the worst coach in the history of coaching, anyone who lost to him is by definition worse.
Jeez - I guess this coaching search has fused and burnt the humor-detection apparatus in many folks' brains.
Currently listed at # 1, but only because Penn St got most of their slots filled early. When the rest of the teams fill out their slots, Penn St will likely slide down to the # 10 Class Nationally.
...it doesn't though.
James Franklin can walk into any living room between Maine and just short of Blacksburg, from NYC to Cincinnati (other than Columbus), up in to Michigan if he wants - ESPECIALLY in the recruiting GOLDMINE that is Western PA - and get taken seriously by a kid and his parents. They are the only real football game in the Northeast. Folks remember and venerate Joe Pa, think Sandusky was a blip, and know how Happy Valley lives and DIES by football, and that their son would be going off to a place that could develop him for the League.
Fickell DOES have championship experience though, under Meyer.
He's got one of them rangs.
Of the four you named, three are paying the $$ to guys who have never won an NC as an HC.
I agree though about paying the necessary bucks when the right HC is found.
You are absolutely right, but they're always in the conversation and in the playoffs. We need to get in the conversation. Tired of being on the outside looking in.
**On my way back to the car, I bumped into someone from Heritage Hall, and we spoke for about 10 minutes, talking about the recent changes and coaching search. Nothing is going on right now. No one has been interviewed or vetted.
from Marc’s Wednesday’s practice notes!
Fight On!
from Marc’s Wednesday’s practice notes!
Fight On!
Helton may not have beaten him, but he certainly lost to Helton. And after having a BIG lead in a BIG game. Should never happen.
