We were damn lucky to win that game. I truly thought that Beamer could get it done here but what he's done is keep us at a mediocre level. Carolina football will never be a contender. I've seen it with my own eyes now since the late 1960's. Go ahead and toss your garnet shades in the trash.
Last week I kept saying anything less than a blowout would be unacceptable
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Beamer may be a nice guy, but he is not Head Coach material. 2 games, the 2022 Tennessee and Clemson games, is what he hangs his hat on. Tennessee obviously overlooked us in 2022. Clemson's QB imploded in that game and transferred out after that season. It's nothing personal against Beamer. It's just business.
The way Beamer talked about the fans after the game kind of made it personal for me.
Sorry, I guess I missed that. Was he being negative about the fans?
He made a snide comment about we celebrate wins around here and we will celebrate this one even though some of yall don’t think we should something to that effect. The fans are understandably frustrated especially the ones that pay nil and/or donate money to the school or spend a lot of hard earned money on premium seats etc. Beamer should look inward and apologize not bash the fans that was a Dabo move all the way!
He also implied that the fans THINK we're OL gurus that can't see that the OL played well and were physical as heck. Beamer thinks he's the guru and the fans don't have eyeballs.
I think the reason sellers threw so many into the ground was he was felling the pressure
Pressure from a Sun Belt defense. Our coach thinks the OL played well and was physical as heck while giving up 10 TFL. Against a Sun Belt team.
USC has been mediocre at best for most of the 100+ years it has played football. With the exception of Spurrier, it didn't matter who USC brought in to coach. That's just a fact. Spurrier was a generational coach and most programs don't get more than one of those. I didn't think USC would win more than 5 this year because of their schedule, but I thought they'd be more competitive with the good teams. Will see how it plays out.
Only way Beamer gets canned is if they go 1-11 or 2-10.... otherwise, a program like USC can't keep replacing coaches every few years. Gonna have to let things go for 6-7 years to see if a particular coach can get it done at a place where so many have failed.
Only way Beamer gets canned is if they go 1-11 or 2-10.... otherwise, a program like USC can't keep replacing coaches every few years. Gonna have to let things go for 6-7 years to see if a particular coach can get it done at a place where so many have failed.
Is there any other team that is compelled to hold onto a coach for 6-7 years who is failing?
USC keeps firing coaches every few years and nothing changes. What's the harm of giving someone an extra year or two? It's not like it has ever been a consistently good program. Restarting with new coaches every 5 years doesn't work either. Spurrier was the greatest coach and era USC ever had in football.... and USC still didn't win a conference title!
It's kind of like Vanderbilt... football exists to fund the other programs. It sucks, but that's how it is until USC gets lucky to find the right guy... that's what Kentucky did with Stoops (remarkable that he's never left.). Too many "can't miss" coaches end up missing more times than they are successful (See Tom Herman, Billy Napier, etc.)
Agree that it's a gamble hiring a new coach. Disagree that you should keep a failing coach because things might change.
I would rather have to gamble on getting someone better than a known failure.
Beamer does not exhibit coaching skills. On Saturday, that was quite obvious. Beamer is NOT a coach. He is a cheerleader. That might work in a basketball-first league like the ACC where you have one of the few SEC-type programs. But, in the SEC, you are going to get eaten by sharks if you have no coaching skills. Yes, we could hold on hoping for the best. But "hope" is never, never a good plan. EVER!!!!! Yes, we could hold on for 5,6,7 years to see what happens. But in the meantime, recruiting will be in the dumps. Our program will be buried so deep in the ground, it will take an oil rig to find it. Are you willing to take that kind of chance? Or if we continue on Saturday's trajectory, would it be better to cut our losses, acknowledge we took a foolish gamble on someone who had never even been an OC or DC, much less a Head Coach? I know which option I choose.
By the way, I agree that hiring a proven winner of a Head Coach is no guarantee of success. HOWEVER, it's undeniable that hiring a proven winner increases your chances of. at least, decent success. THAT has been proven true for the University of South Carolina. Look at our history:
Paul Dietzel : won our only conference championship
Jim Carlen : produced our first 8-game winning seasons (twice) when that was a hurdle to clear here, plus recruited a Heisman Trophy winner
Joe Morrison: produced (twice) our first nationally-ranked teams
Lou Holtz: produced 2 nationally ranked teams
Steve Spurrier: produced our first Top 10 teams ( 3 times).
Paul Dietzel : won our only conference championship
Jim Carlen : produced our first 8-game winning seasons (twice) when that was a hurdle to clear here, plus recruited a Heisman Trophy winner
Joe Morrison: produced (twice) our first nationally-ranked teams
Lou Holtz: produced 2 nationally ranked teams
Steve Spurrier: produced our first Top 10 teams ( 3 times).
And that's not any different than what it has been for 100+ years. Dabo is a cheerleader and it worked there.
Dabobhired the right coordinators.
Venables was key, Morris made his offense exciting and brought 8n good players.
You do realize that Dabo has a SEC-type program in the basketball first ACC right? Coaching in the SEC is major league. ACC is minor league in comparison. Just compare the number of Top 25 programs in the SEC to that in the ACC. Cheerleading can work if your program is head and shoulders ahead of the competition. That won't work in the SEC. Texas A&M and Arkansas have won 34 football conference championships between them. Do you know how many they have won since joining the SEC? ZERO.
In the modern era of college football.... Morrison and the program would have been on probation had he not died. That's well known. Good coach... but steroid scandals and other cheating would have come out. ANyone close to the program is well aware of that. Holtz did a nice job for a short time and then left the program in shambles. Spurrier - best coach we ever had or ever will have. Would love to find a coach that can make us a consistent 8ish win team every year (with some better seasons possible)...the point is, there just aren't many success stories. You mentioned 6 coaches... Dietzel went 42-53-1 at USC. Carlen 45-36-1 at USC. JoMo 39-28-2. Lou 33-37. Some nice seasons here and there as you mentioned, but small pockets of success overall.
Not saying we shouldn't go after a high profile coach... the difference is whether a high profile coach wants to come to a place that loses a lot more than it wins. Plus, USC cannot compete in the NIL arena compared to the Texas schools, UGA, and Florida and it never will, so USC is less attractive to a high profile guy who would have better offers elsewhere. We can take a chance on the next hot OC from somewhere or the next mid-major stud, but clearly those don't always work as noted earlier with Tom Herman, Billy Napier... even Muschamp was seen as a can't miss when he was the coach in waiting at Texas. Brad Scott was deemed a good hire here, didn't work out either. It's kind of a crapshoot with a program like USC that just doesn't have the resources that other schools do and a very small in-state population etc.
And that's what Beamer needs to do. He can recruit and kids love him. Now he needs to prove he can hire the right coordinators. This year will be very telling to see how much better the offense gets from game 1.
I saId "DECENT" success. Compare their achievements, at SC, to first-time FBS Head Coaches Bell, Woods, Scott, Beamer and proven failure Head Coach Muschamp.
Doesn't matter. He still won in the postseason. USC has won zero as well. USC has been in the league since '92 and is just a step above Vanderbilt and not much better than KY. USC hasn't really contributed to the success of the SEC for most of its time in the league... just riding the coat tails and collecting a check, but we'll take that check!
Yep. Small pockets of success. Hey, if you can get a big name here, great... don't see it happening as mentioned in previous post since USC can't keep up in the NIL space etc. Just not going to happen. USC is not as desirable to a big name coach. Maybe they get lucky and get the next mid-major stud and he gets it done. Don't see it happening.... and until it happens, it's just a fact that USC has sucked at football for most of 100+ years. As a great coach said, "it is what it is."
If decent success is 1 or 2 good seasons and the rest is crap, than that's all we'll ever be, right?
Dabo knew what he didn't know and hired accordingly. A very good trait for a cheerleader coach.
Agreed! This year will be telling ... if USC offense improves greatly from week 1 the rest of the way, then we will know what kind of hires we have on that side of the ball.
You have given the exact reason why any coach here must be able to do "more with less". We are never going to have the player talent of our competitors. The only coaches who have had decent success (multiple years) or unprecedented success here are Dietzel. Morrison, Carlen, Holtz and Spurrier. What they all had in common was their reputations were made on "coaching chops' not recruiting skills. Bell, Woods, Scott, Muschamp and Beamer all came here with reputed recruiting abilities, not known for their coaching skills. All were fired (the jury is still out on Beamer). What I'm saying, and I think others are saying, is that if Beamer does not demonstrate those coaching skills, we need to cut our losses before our program becomes "Vanderbilt-East" (football-wise). Most of us are not impressed with Beamer's coaching abilities. Are you, so far?
Are you impressed with Beamer's coaching skills? If you are, fine. Most of us are not. If Beamer is fired, I'm not saying we necessarily need a Big name. Find someone who is a proven Head Coach at a lower level FBS. Right now, for SC, things are not looking good. That's undeniable.
Dabo went 10-4 in his 4th year and won the conference championship. Do you think Beamer will come anywhere near that in Year 4 (this season)?
Now you are talking. "This year will be telling". That's what we are saying too.
Jury is still out for me. To me, he over-achieved in years 1 and 2 with very little talent and somehow got to bowl games. He got a bowl game using 4 QBs one year. That tells me there is some coaching ability to get those teams to the postseason. Last year was disappointing. This year will be very telling, not just in W-L record but in how they compete. With a first year QB and so much turnover on offense this year, my expectation was for offense to struggle but defense to be solid, which is what we saw in week 1. The big thing will be how much this team improves on the offensive side of the ball moving forward. While, I wouldn't be happy with another 5-7 record, I thought that was where they would be before the season started. If they did that and were competitive with teams that clearly were better (I think USC plays 5 straight ranked teams at one point this year), we will have a better idea of where the program is and it would be fair to determine if the program is moving in the right direction. He's not an on-field X's and O's guy for sure. He's a recruiter, , game-planner, motivator and decision maker. His biggest decisions to be judged will be whether he has all the right coordinators in place.
As noted previously, those coaches you noted... most of them only had small pockets of success here and overall record wasn't much to brag about. If Beamer can have a couple of seasons like that, great, that fits in with our history of mostly bad/mediocre with a couple of seasons to hang our hats on. Sad.
Saying I think the team will go 5-7 isn't just accepting failure, it's just being real. If the team bombs this year, I could see why a change would be made, but I doubt it will be. I think given his previous seasons, Beamer gets a minimum of 5 years as HC.
Time will tell on Beamer, sooner rather than later. His path is similar to Muschamp's here. Beamer has to show he can beat more talented teams. The ONLY coach who can succeed here is THAT kind of coach. I hope Beamer has that in him. If his team plays like it did this past Saturday, the fan base will become apathetic. And when they become apathetic, they don't show up at the games. If fans don't show up to the games, Tanner's hand will be forced.
I am really hopeful Sellers just lost his touch on the ball being his first game. If he does indeed have it, and finds it, it could mean a world of difference in a short amount of time.
Because as many of us said when he was first hired, he can't do the job. I have virtually no interest in the program, and I certainly will not be donating money as long as he and Tanner are around.
That's the harm.
If Beamer can hang on long enough, he'll be coaching here when the sun expires.
It really is a "coin toss" as to which was the dumbest hire: Muschamp or Beamer. Should we be surprised at the ineptness in our coaching hires? Chadwell was there gift-wrapped for us. He has now won at 4 different schools. SMH