Last years team vs this years team

[KerryRhodes]

Last years team didnt win much, however they competed for 40 minutes.

This years team gets a lead and folds like a cheap suit.

Wake up KP supporters.
Help us cut the cord. Its not going to get any better next year.

Cut the cord

 

[TheRealVille]

I've never seen anything more obvious in sports history. No way would any traditional top program/organization put up with such ineptitude.

Just admit the mistake and eat the cost. Hire some experienced coach from the OVC or Missouri Valley Conference.

There is simply no way the fans are going to support a coach who goes 2 and 29, or 5 and 26.

It's over.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Last years team didnt win much, however they competed for 40 minutes.

This years team gets a lead and folds like a cheap suit.

Wake up KP supporters.
Help us cut the cord. Its not going to get any better next year.

Cut the cord

He’s gonna get another year. The economics of firing him yet just don’t work out. He will be given another year, we will hear how he’s gonna transform things. Most season ticket holders will stay on out of guilt or being blinded by the ******** sales pitch. When things get really bad again next year, an exit strategy will be worked out.

 

[Thecycle27]

It is doesn’t make any sense to compare last year to this year. Give KP last years roster they are probably .500.

 

[KerryRhodes]

It is doesn’t make any sense to compare last year to this year. Give KP last years roster they are probably .500.

He could have an equal or better roster but he whiffed or in most cases actually didnt recruit the needs.

Even if he had a better roster , he cant coach.

Stop wasting our time as this proud program WASTES away.

 

[LouCards13]

He’s gonna get another year. The economics of firing him yet just don’t work out. He will be given another year, we will hear how he’s gonna transform things. Most season ticket holders will stay on out of guilt or being blinded by the ******** sales pitch. When things get really bad again next year, an exit strategy will be worked out.

Fire him @ the end of the season and stretch his buyout to the length of his contract.

 

[Cardiac Red]

The economics of firing him yet just don’t work out

Neither do the economics of keeping him. Time to cut bait. He's never going to be what we need. Look at how far he has to go just to get to 500 and being 500 ain't it. This is Louisville not podunk U.

 

[Thecycle27]

Ok so the next coach can’t be .500 next year? We are going to fire him if he isn’t .500.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Ok so the next coach can’t be .500 next year? We are going to fire him if he isn’t .500.

Id take .500 over the .117 winning percentage they have now.

Stay on the titanic, BKA
the S.S. Payne

 

[Cardiac Red]

Ok so the next coach can’t be .500 next year? We are going to fire him if he isn’t .500.

KP is never going to be more than a 500 coach. It would probably take him 3 or 4 years to even get to that point.

Can't believe you support this **** show..

 

[Thecycle27]

According to everyone teams can be fixed over night. Have to hold the new coach to the same standard.

New guy should easily build a a roster. .500 wouldn’t acceptable for Payne so can’t be acceptable for new guy.

See what kind of rabbit hole this could be.

 

[sdslba228]

It is doesn’t make any sense to compare last year to this year. Give KP last years roster they are probably .500.

Just no

 

[sdslba228]

According to everyone teams can be fixed over night. Have to hold the new coach to the same standard.

New guy should easily build a a roster. .500 wouldn’t acceptable for Payne so can’t be acceptable for new guy.

See what kind of rabbit hole this could be.

The portal. This can be turned around immediately with a energetic experienced coach vs an overweight low energy assistant

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

@Knucklehank1 and I haven't agreed on much, but he's right about Payne and how this will play out. His buyout is too big, and the costs of the NEXT coaching staff will be millions more to keep fans from marching on the Rotunda.

Thanks to the last AD in large part, this department has nowhere close to the money and remaining season ticket holders to justify that expense. It's pitiful--WE'RE pitiful--but it's the truth. We just have to suck it up and watch this bus crash come to a complete stop...

 

[Cardiac Red]

@Knucklehank1 and I haven't agreed on much, but he's right about Payne and how this will play out. His buyout is too big, and the costs of the NEXT coaching staff will be millions more to keep fans from marching on the Rotunda.

Thanks to the last AD in large part, this department has nowhere close to the money and remaining season ticket holders to justify that expense. It's pitiful--WE'RE pitiful--but it's the truth. We just have to suck it up and watch this bus crash come to a complete stop...

Waiting another year for him to prove he's a failure only saves $2 million. Attendance (lack of) next year is going to cost you more than 2 million..

 

[LouCards13]

@Knucklehank1 and I haven't agreed on much, but he's right about Payne and how this will play out. His buyout is too big, and the costs of the NEXT coaching staff will be millions more to keep fans from marching on the Rotunda.

Thanks to the last AD in large part, this department has nowhere close to the money and remaining season ticket holders to justify that expense. It's pitiful--WE'RE pitiful--but it's the truth. We just have to suck it up and watch this bus crash come to a complete stop...

Honest question since you have a firmer understanding of UofL finances than I do.(no sarcasm)
Is it plausible for UofL to stretch Paynes buyout through the end of his current contract without a complete devastation of the financial situation?

It just seems to me that the lost revenue and the warp speed at which the basketball program has fallen off that the end would justify the means!

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

Waiting another year for him to prove he's a failure only saves $2 million. Attendance (lack of) next year is going to cost you more than 2 million..

Someone here can research the exact terms in Payne's contract because I haven't. The difference in gross amount you're talking about is not how the buyout is usually paid. Buyouts are cash flowed. It's generally paid over time in a form that represents salary continuation. For ease of discussion, if Payne is owed $9 million and he makes $3 million annually, U of L would simply continue his salary for three years.

In that respect, the ENTIRE SALARY of the new coach is the additional money that must be paid out to the two basketball coaches for the duration of the fired coach's buyout.

I'm guessing that no one here is gonna be happy with a coach who will be paid less than $5 million or so annually. No chance we're covering a $5 million annual difference with attendance. By my math, that's 5,000 fans per game. Almost no chance attendance jumps by that amount...

 

[CARDSAgainstHumanity]

It is doesn’t make any sense to compare last year to this year. Give KP last years roster they are probably .500.

It does when you consider he ‘encouraged‘ those guys to transfer.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Someone here can research the exact terms in Payne's contract because I haven't. The difference in gross amount you're talking about is not how the buyout is usually paid. Buyouts are cash flowed. It's generally paid over time in a form that represents salary continuation. For ease of discussion, if Payne is owed $9 million and he makes $3 million annually, U of L would simply continue his salary for three years.

In that respect, the ENTIRE SALARY of the new coach is the additional money that must be paid out to the two basketball coaches for the duration of the fired coach's buyout.

I'm guessing that no one here is gonna be happy with a coach who will be paid less than $5 million or so annually. No chance we're covering a $5 million annual difference with attendance. By my math, that's 5,000 fans per game. Almost no chance attendance jumps by that amount...

The way I see it for Heird to move on Payne you need around 10% of the lower bowl season ticket holders to be adamant that they will not renew their tix. That would be justification for firing Payne. And then to cover incremental, etc for new coach you’d need to retain those 10% and then pick up another 10% in season tix throughout the arena. Brohm has that kind of gravitational pull in football. I don’t see anyone out there that could immediately do the same for bball (and no Pitino isn’t coming back).

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood_rivals307205]

I could end up being wrong, but it feels like we are having the same conversation here we had before he got hired - there's a difference between what the majority want, and what the majority are going to get.

I agree with everything being said here.

But, he's not talking like a guy that's going to resign. Now things can change, he's still got a few months to go believe it or not it actually could get uglier and he may look for the exit. But it just doesn't feel like he plans on leaving.

And I agree with the fans that are saying he's going to get at least another year. I don't want you guys to hate me I really don't but it's also possible he is here for a long time.

I get it. I do. This is a dark era and I'm expecting nothing good to happen for the program anytime soon.

 

[Cardiac Red]

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Someone here can research the exact terms in Payne's contract because I haven't. The difference in gross amount you're talking about is not how the buyout is usually paid. Buyouts are cash flowed. It's generally paid over time in a form that represents salary continuation. For ease of discussion, if Payne is owed $9 million and he makes $3 million annually, U of L would simply continue his salary for three years.

In that respect, the ENTIRE SALARY of the new coach is the additional money that must be paid out to the two basketball coaches for the duration of the fired coach's buyout.

I'm guessing that no one here is gonna be happy with a coach who will be paid less than $5 million or so annually. No chance we're covering a $5 million annual difference with attendance. By my math, that's 5,000 fans per game. Almost no chance attendance jumps by that amount...

I get all that. But if he does get another year and is terrible again, everybody is going to be on board with canning him. So you've only delayed the inevitable by one year. Is that one year worth all the money you're going to lose and fans you may lose forever while enduring another year of this **** show

 

[nccardfan]

It does when you consider he ‘encouraged‘ those guys to transfer.

I don't think he encouraged players to transfer, he just didn't have anything to encourage them to stay... He sympathized with the players who wanted to leave rather than act like a HC who wanted them.

 

[J_Lewis0117]

We'll never know, but Williamson, Cross, Locke, Dre and Tae Davis would have made this team at least a little bit better

 

[OldhamCard335]

“And I agree with the fans that are saying he's going to get at least another year. I don't want you guys to hate me I really don't but it's also possible he is here for a long time.“

I don’t hate you, but I do hate this thought. If he’s here for a long time then I need to find another basketball team to support. Can’t take one more day of this once the season ends.

 

[LouisvilleKid79]

KP - “I’m trying to build a culture.”

Legit on his way to 2-30. Crazy stuff.

 

[CardsDan]

KP - “I’m trying to build a culture.”

Legit on his way to 2-30. Crazy stuff.

He's building a culture of losing.

 

[KerryRhodes]

According to everyone teams can be fixed over night. Have to hold the new coach to the same standard.

New guy should easily build a a roster. .500 wouldn’t acceptable for Payne so can’t be acceptable for new guy.

See what kind of rabbit hole this could be.

If the new guy effs up like Payne, then the cry for his job will be the same.

This aint intramurals brother.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

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I get all that. But if he does get another year and is terrible again, everybody is going to be on board with canning him. So you've only delayed the inevitable by one year. Is that one year worth all the money you're going to lose and fans you may lose forever while enduring another year of this **** show

I agree with the inevitability of this process. Unfortunately, that’s usually not a compelling enough argument. Seldom does a coach this bad turn things around, but seldom is he also fired without more time. It frustrates fans, but that’s the normal process.

IMO if the case against Payne continuing after this season is widely supported, things may accelerate. It’s why I keep monitoring his inner circle. U of L administration is part of that group, as is the black community and former players. National media will also weigh in.

So far, I see no one but fans demanding a change. Immediate action isn’t cost justified based on the analysis I’ve done. And there aren’t enough other factors at work against him yet.