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I want to hate Vandy so bad, but man, Lea does all the right things, looks composed, gives quality responses.
He does look and sound like a real coach...but nobody was saying that about him until Pavia arrived. He was 9-27 (2-22) pre-Pavia.
So then you put him in a program with more money, better players, and a higher ceiling. My bet is on PSU next season.
Yeah. Everyone thought Belichick was a great coach too. Maybe it’s more about the players than the coaching
Nah. He will lose several more games this year and the luster will fade
Bingo; it’s absolutely more about the players. Spurrier himself did squat until the instate early round nflers popped up. You send Lea to a PSU you better send a Pavia with him.
I think at some point after his first Superbowl win with Brady, Brady became the unofficial co-OC, and had veto power on all the play calls. Probably the same situation with Peyton Manning while at Indianapolis.
Yeah, the Spurrier worshippers tend to overlook his seasons outside of the three 11 win seasons.
His record through 5 years was not that great here. What made it palatable is that we were picking up some wins against UF, UT and UGA, the first 2 of which were virtually unheard of since we joined the SEC.
Good thing we caught Oklahoma in a down year -- they have already "rebuilt," it looks like.
Well, his good years certainly changed the definition of "squat" for this fan base.
Yeah, that made his mediocrity much more palatable. Of course, UT and UF were far from the juggernauts they had been and UGA under Richt always managed to lose a game or two every season they should have won.
Spurrier was good but by the time he got to Columbia, his "revolutionary" offense was old hat in the SEC. Every team was running similar offenses to the "Fun and Gun". When he went to UF, the SEC was like the Big 10 on offense, three yards and a cloud of dust. Spurrier brought in the concept of multiple wide receivers and throwing to the backs out of the backfield downfield to create mismatches in coverage, forcing LBs to cover WRs and RBs. SEC defenses had no answers for that for years. By the time he got to Carolina, those concepts were the norm in all of college football.
Hard to say. They are certainly vastly improved. Their schedule is pretty light up front but very back heavy, playing Ole Miss, UT, Bama, Missouri and LSU in a row to finish out the season.
And also having the QB throw to a spot on the field more than looking for an open receiver. That never worked in the NFL.
It is interesting that Carolina fans as a whole now expect 10+ win seasons and championships based on three seasons that happened 12 years ago. There is nothing in the history of gamecock football that should lead anyone to those expectations.
We never saw anything close to an offense like we thought we'd see and Spurrier's track record here with QBs is spotty...putting it mildly (Beecher anyone?). I give SOS credit for adapting to win with the personnel we had, which meant leaning more on the defense than offense.
True, and when he was at UF, the program was a magnet for top WR and QB talent. Spurrier was a lazy recruiter his whole career but the talent pool in FL was loaded and the top talent wanted to play in that offense.
When he had Shaw, Alshon and Lattimore he had plenty of offensive talent to go along with a defense anchored by Clowney and Ingram and great DBs. He won big when he stumbled onto a very talented roster but he couldn't (wouldn't?) recruit talent to reload those teams.
Then, when the going got tough, he quit.
The fact that we look back at those years as "not that great" is a testament to how he changed the expectations around here. It's also a testament to just how bad our program was before his arrival. At the time, those 5 years were arguably the best 5 year stretch in our history. They remain the winningest first 5 years for any coach we've had. One of those seasons earned him SEC coach of the year honors.
Hopefully real USC fans/posters are keeping up with these BOT exchanges which occur singularly in Botman's head.
He's now shifting his narrative most of Spurrier's tenure was a bust too.
Compared to what Doubtfire? What's your comparative?
He never had a losing season until the year he resigned mid-season. No other SC coach in modern history was able to do that.
I don't think we should diminish Spurrier. The dude was a winner, and a proven coach.
He had his issues, and certainly floundered about when he first got here, but he brought us our one true "glory years" run.
Yes, they did.Can’t argue with that. Lea/Vanderbilt beat Carolina like a drum in Willie B.
He definitely wasn't "bad" but his tenure wasn't the nonstop glory and success some recall.
His legacy here is somewhat complicated, mainly b/c there is such a stark contrast between 2010-2013 and every other season he had here. You also have the factor that aside from Shaw, he never recruited and developed a single QB here, and that was considered his bread and butter. Outside of Shaw, his track record with QBs here, particularly recruiting evaluation, was pretty lousy.
I think a lot of his reputation for developing qbs was fabricated. The good qbs he was credited with developing were already very talented when he got them at UF. Wuerffel was USA Today's player of the year in Florida in HS, Grossman was a Parade All American, Matthews was Mississippi player of the year. Spurrier also famously rotated Palmer and Johnson, both of whom were talented. Spurrier really didn't have to develop those UF qbs as much as he had to avoid messing them up.
I think his reputation as a qb whisperer wasn't fully earned. His biggest talent was in game play calling. He was an expert at seeing what a defense was doing or not doing and calling plays to take advantage of it.
Spurrier's qbs at florida also had consistently high first round picks at wide receiver; makes a huge difference. When he got here he thought he could still have the qbs play 'spurrier' instead of letting the qb himself play qb; messes with the mind and confidence, particularly when you don't have the blue chips at WR and RB. By the time Shaw was installed there were some actual blue chips here as well; the Mitchell, Newton, Smelley, and Garcia to a lesser extent didnt have that luxury. Blake Mitchell in particular was totally brain fawked by Spurrier.
Erik Kimrey had a podcast a few years back that was really good; can't remember the name. One of his guests was Syvelle Newton whjo had some very revealing things to say.
There's a lot of potential money there. Cornelius Vanderbilt was one of the first 1%-ers . Things could change if they decide they want to pay for football, especially if they have a good coach.
The year the defense was trash was our best offense. The Dylan Thompson year. We scored so many points that year... and gave up so many more. That was the year the KY back had to be taken out to rest because he ran for so many yards.
Ugh...that UK game. JoJo Kemp...the name is seared into my memory.
No, not really. A lot of great college qbs don't pan out in the NFL and a lot of obscure college qbs do well. I don't think Spurrier cared much about his qb's NFL future, he wanted them to win while he had them.
I feel the same way about college qbs.
Shaw is our own example of that - Arguably the best to ever play the position here, but couldn't catch on the the league.