Leach getting a dose of reality

[merrimanm]

Colorado and UW are in the top 10 I believe. USC, UCLA, AZ, ASU, Oregon and Utah are good programs. USC and UCLA of course have great tradition and history. WSU would probably be the last in that conference as far history and destination, so I would say Leach has done pretty good.
YOU think UK could beat most teams in the PAC 12 right now? Leach is sitting at 8-3. Won 9 last year I think. That's pretty good considering what he took over. He's beaten ranked teams while there. Something Stoops has not done.

Arizona, Arizona St. have been average at best the last 20 years. Heck, even USC and UCLA have been down. Colorado hasn't been good since the 90s. Oregon is down this year. So no, I doNT think he has done that masterful of a job. And yes, I do think we could beat most teams in the Pacific 12. Everybody trashes the SEC east, yet most of them are going to bowl games. It isn't like they are slouches. They just haven't been as good as they had been.

But again, it is about circumstances. Perfect example is Charlie Strong. Tore it up at UL, been subpar at UT.

 

[Hjack]

Wash State defense is pitiful.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Nobody did. You said Leach was no Saban which nobody said he was. But keep looking for somebody comparing Stoops to Saban.....[jumpingsmile]

I responded to another poster. You sadly took narcissistic offense, as if my comment had a scintilla to do with you. And, then you misunderstood various other posts in an attempt to chastise me. Making you look supremely foolish, as have your discussions with others here.

Your inability to comprehend, combined by your defensiveness and paranoia, is embarrassing. You are constantly misunderstanding people's posts in this thread. And, you don't understand the concept of sarcasm. That is a literary form you should learn before before you use the term again.

 

[willievic]

Leach has proven he can get it done and in different leagues. Has also coached in the SEC. WSU maybe be a bigger rebuilding project than UK. Admittedly don't know their whole history, but don't remember them being much at all.
Not saying Leach would win the SEC, but I think he's proven to be a better coach up to this point. Imagine trying to recruit there. Leach was really the mastermind behind Mumme's offense.

Cawood, Mumme was good between the 20's, but inside the red zone, he sucked. He thought the NFL was wanting him, but that was a joke

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[reflaine]

Colorado and UW are in the top 10 I believe. USC, UCLA, AZ, ASU, Oregon and Utah are good programs. USC and UCLA of course have great tradition and history. WSU would probably be the last in that conference as far history and destination, so I would say Leach has done pretty good.
YOU think UK could beat most teams in the PAC 12 right now? Leach is sitting at 8-3. Won 9 last year I think. That's pretty good considering what he took over. He's beaten ranked teams while there. Something Stoops has not done.

Who is the PAC 12 beat out of conference? One of their best wins was Texas tech. Usc got beat by Bama by 50. Colorado lost to Michigan by multiple scores. Oregon has four wins and loss to much state and blew out by nearly everyone else. Stanford couldn't score twenty points all year and has one of the better wins for PAC 12 in notre dame

Here is a link with their out of conference record. Even two bad teams someone has to win. The PAC 12 isn't that good of a conference

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Pac-12_Conference_football_season

 

[sluggercatfan]

Our SOS is 65th, (Sagarin)..WSU 42nd. Others...Washington 64th, Houston 80th

Not as tough as usual, but not chopped liver either.

Leach's first 3 years at WSU....12-25. The bashers would have bee screaming for his head.

Bowl game second year I think...17-8 at present for last two seasons and don't look for him to be at WSU next season

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Who is the PAC 12 beat out of conference? One of their best wins was Texas tech. Usc got beat by Bama by 50. Colorado lost to Michigan by multiple scores. Oregon has four wins and loss to much state and blew out by nearly everyone else. Stanford couldn't score twenty points all year and has one of the better wins for PAC 12 in notre dame

Here is a link with their out of conference record. Even two bad teams someone has to win. The PAC 12 isn't that good of a conference

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Pac-12_Conference_football_season

They are down this year kind of like the SEC is down this year. No doubt. UW and Colorado are in the Top 10 I believe, Haven't checked the standings. Oregon Has been really good but down this year, and the same for AZ and ASU. USC and My point was the WSU is probably last in the pecking order in the SEC but Leach has made them competitive and respectable/ Getting 8-8 wins the last two years. He took over a situation possibly worst than UK's, so to act as if he isn't a good coach or in a good league is not really true IMO.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I responded to another poster. You sadly took narcissistic offense, as if my comment had a scintilla to do with you. And, then you misunderstood various other posts in an attempt to chastise me. Making you look supremely foolish, as have your discussions with others here.

Your inability to comprehend, combined by your defensiveness and paranoia, is embarrassing. You are constantly misunderstanding people's posts in this thread. And, you don't understand the concept of sarcasm. That is a literary form you should learn before before you use the term again.

You need to look up irony and then apply it to your post. Useless on my part I know, but maybe you will figure it out. Foolish is pretending you have been right all along and being unaware of your futility....again

 

[football follies]

WSU got beat up by a fast physical defense.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Arizona, Arizona St. have been average at best the last 20 years. Heck, even USC and UCLA have been down. Colorado hasn't been good since the 90s. Oregon is down this year. So no, I doNT think he has done that masterful of a job. And yes, I do think we could beat most teams in the Pacific 12. Everybody trashes the SEC east, yet most of them are going to bowl games. It isn't like they are slouches. They just haven't been as good as they had been.

But again, it is about circumstances. Perfect example is Charlie Strong. Tore it up at UL, been subpar at UT.

All these programs though are/were ahead of WSU which is my point all along. The fact that Leach has WSU where they are proves he is a pretty good coach. So which teams do you think UK could beat?
I don't think the SEC East is as weak as others think personally. UF is 9-2 and should be ranked higher IMO.

 

[1Blouman]

You would be hard pressed to find anyone across this entire country, other than some UK fans,
that think Stoops is a better coach than Leach.

 

[reflaine]

Kentucky would have nearly the same record in the PAC 12 as wash state right now. Possibly 9-3 as we should of beat the fcs team. Losses to Colorado, Washington, Boise state. Could of loss to Stanford on road. But that was without mccaffery

They have one win in conference against anyone .500 or better and out of conference have a good win against 6-4 Idaho. Not counting a loss to fcs team.

 

[merrimanm]

All these programs though are/were ahead of WSU which is my point all along. The fact that Leach has WSU where they are proves he is a pretty good coach. So which teams do you think UK could beat?
I don't think the SEC East is as weak as others think personally. UF is 9-2 and should be ranked higher IMO.

But they weren't as far back as UK to other SEC teams. Remember Vandy beat us by 40. The teams Leach is facing isn't pulling in 5 star talent all over the place.

Which teams could UK beat? Oregon St., Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, UCLA, Oregon, and possibly even Utah and Stanford.

And to the point you made to the other poster, no one is saying Leach is a bad coach. I am just not claiming him to be that great either. I think he is a good coach, not a great one. Also, you said it isn't like he is playing a link a bad league. That is simple not true. Only 6 of their teams have a winning record. 4 of the teams with a winning record have won 8 and have 3 losses. One team is 5-6. 3 teams have only won 4, 1 team has only won 3, and 1 only has won 2. So 6 teams in their conference has combined to win 22 games and has lossed 44. And again, if we go outside their conference, their record is terrible. Even for the winning teams.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Leach has done more with less.

Recruitment rankings
2014 WSU 69 UK 18
2015 WSU 47 UK 34
2016 WSU 52 UK 29

SOS 2016 WSU 26 UK 69

WSU new football facilities budget $61 million
UK $110 million CWS remodel, $45 million training room

 

[Beatle Bum]

Seems Texas, LSU and others are missing the Leach ship. What are they missing?

 

[bthaunert]

Seems Texas, LSU and others are missing the Leach ship. What are they missing?

Leach is an interesting dude. Point blank, if he wasn't so damn weird, I think he would have a top 10 - 15 job.

 

[merrimanm]

Leach has done more with less.

Recruitment rankings
2014 WSU 69 UK 18
2015 WSU 47 UK 34
2016 WSU 52 UK 29

SOS 2016 WSU 26 UK 69

WSU new football facilities budget $61 million
UK $110 million CWS remodel, $45 million training room

You should be comparing their recruiting rankings against the teams they face, not UKs. But, I would be willing to bet that it wouldn't look as impressive they way you want it to. Opponents are a big deal.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

would also like to point out that their loss to eastern washington isn't terrible...nor is that Boise St loss...EW is 10-1 with their loss being to a very good NDSU team...Boise is 10-2...I wouldn't chalk up EW, Boise St, or NDSU as sure fire wins for us...

all in all Mike Leach is doing what we expected him to do at this point. Winning 8-9 games, getting to bowls, scoring points like crazy, having a doormat relevant and respectable.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

But they weren't as far back as UK to other SEC teams. Remember Vandy beat us by 40. The teams Leach is facing isn't pulling in 5 star talent all over the place.

Which teams could UK beat? Oregon St., Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, UCLA, Oregon, and possibly even Utah and Stanford.

And to the point you made to the other poster, no one is saying Leach is a bad coach. I am just not claiming him to be that great either. I think he is a good coach, not a great one. Also, you said it isn't like he is playing a link a bad league. That is simple not true. Only 6 of their teams have a winning record. 4 of the teams with a winning record have won 8 and have 3 losses. One team is 5-6. 3 teams have only won 4, 1 team has only won 3, and 1 only has won 2. So 6 teams in their conference has combined to win 22 games and has lossed 44. And again, if we go outside their conference, their record is terrible. Even for the winning teams.

I don't think Leach is at an elite level in coaching but he is better than Stoops at this point and it is not really close IMO. He did the same thing at TT. Stoops has yet to beat a ranked team in 4 years. The wins this year have come against losing teams with the exception of SC(possibly). Leach has beat ranked teams and fairly consistently. WSU would likely beat UK this year and probably by 10 plus points or more. I think you are underestimating how bad WSU was and has been historically.
If you think the PAC 12 is a bad league then you really are being biased. UW is likely to be in the CFP. The SEC had some really bad losses this year as well.

 

[Shavers48]

Last two weeks WSU has played two pretty good teams and the results have not been good. Solid 8-4 campaign for Leach and WSU, but I just thought I'd mention this as people were talking him up so much earlier this year.

For the record, I like Leach and have no doubt he is a better coach than Stoops, but the guy has his issues.

just pointing out the last two games WSU had to play without their best playmaking receiver. all part of it but to suggest they're just not up to par with 'good' teams is a bit much

 

[Shavers48]

Leach has done more with less.

Recruitment rankings
2014 WSU 69 UK 18
2015 WSU 47 UK 34
2016 WSU 52 UK 29

SOS 2016 WSU 26 UK 69

WSU new football facilities budget $61 million
UK $110 million CWS remodel, $45 million training room

a voice of reason. thank you

 

[reflaine]

I don't think Leach is at an elite level in coaching but he is better than Stoops at this point and it is not really close IMO. He did the same thing at TT. Stoops has yet to beat a ranked team in 4 years. The wins this year have come against losing teams with the exception of SC(possibly). Leach has beat ranked teams and fairly consistently. WSU would likely beat UK this year and probably by 10 plus points or more. I think you are underestimating how bad WSU was and has been historically.
If you think the PAC 12 is a bad league then you really are being biased. UW is likely to be in the CFP. The SEC had some really bad losses this year as well.

False. Mizzu was ranked last season and 4-0 coming off back to back east championships.

 

[football follies]

just pointing out the last two games WSU had to play without their best playmaking receiver. all part of it but to suggest they're just not up to par with 'good' teams is a bit much

It wouldn't have mattered today. They were blown out.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

You should be comparing their recruiting rankings against the teams they face, not UKs. But, I would be willing to bet that it wouldn't look as impressive they way you want it to. Opponents are a big deal.

I know Bama would skew those results how does one calculate Austin Peay?

 

[Black Diamond Cat]

Final score Washington 45 WSU 17, the Huskies may end up in the playoff yet !

 

[merrimanm]

I don't think Leach is at an elite level in coaching but he is better than Stoops at this point and it is not really close IMO. He did the same thing at TT. Stoops has yet to beat a ranked team in 4 years. The wins this year have come against losing teams with the exception of SC(possibly). Leach has beat ranked teams and fairly consistently. WSU would likely beat UK this year and probably by 10 plus points or more. I think you are underestimating how bad WSU was and has been historically.
If you think the PAC 12 is a bad league then you really are being biased. UW is likely to be in the CFP. The SEC had some really bad losses this year as well.

I just gave you the numbers on their league. It hasn't been good at all. If you are only couting Washington as to why they are so good, then realize that Washington lost to USC, who lost to Bama by 50. And what ranked team has he beaten consistently? And the SEC hasn't had any bad losses outside of the conference by the tOP teams.

 

[Xception]

So many on here missed their true calling and should have pursued becoming UK's AD . I blame you for our failures because you did not impart your wisdom to the position and make us successful . I'm disgusted at your suggestions since you were too apathetic or lazy to do the job , thanks for nothing .

 

[merrimanm]

I know Bama would skew those results how does one calculate Austin Peay?

Not sure what you are meaning by this post. We drilled AP.

 

[merrimanm]

False. Mizzu was ranked last season and 4-0 coming off back to back east championships.

So was South Carolina last year.

 

[merrimanm]

just pointing out the last two games WSU had to play without their best playmaking receiver. all part of it but to suggest they're just not up to par with 'good' teams is a bit much

Umm...the announcers said today that one of the guys playing today was the best in Washington history. Oh, and we have been wit out our starting QB, one of our best safeties, starting left tackle at times, and our best lb for a game.

 

[12375CAT]

Pirate should have never been canned @ TT.

 

[gojvc]

Pirate should have never been canned @ TT.

Hey man, they're in Texas. You know, about 300 miles from Dallas. Anybody could win there. Just look at how dominant they've been since Leach departed.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

False. Mizzu was ranked last season and 4-0 coming off back to back east championships.

You are right, my mistake. They were actually 3-0 though.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Umm...the announcers said today that one of the guys playing today was the best in Washington history. Oh, and we have been wit out our starting QB, one of our best safeties, starting left tackle at times, and our best lb for a game.

WSU missed River Cracraft badly today... Dosent mean they would have won, but normally ML teams are money in the red zone.

 

[reflaine]

Just to be fair after I mentioned mizzu they ended up not rated at end of season. That way a preseason ranking wouldn't skew the results. So went and checked leach record and he has also beat zero teams ranked at the end of the year in five seasons as stoops has in four. Stanford could end up ranked but was without their hiesman candidate.

 

[Beatle Bum]

WSU beat Stanford. What other bowl eligible conference teams did they beat?

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I just gave you the numbers on their league. It hasn't been good at all. If you are only couting Washington as to why they are so good, then realize that Washington lost to USC, who lost to Bama by 50. And what ranked team has he beaten consistently? And the SEC hasn't had any bad losses outside of the conference by the tOP teams.

I said he has beaten ranked teams consistently. Meaning several ranked teams. Stoops has beaten one that ended up 5-7 on the year.
Leach is the all-time winningest coach in TT history and took over a team that had won 9 games in 4 years and has them ranked and looking to win 9 games two years in a row. If you think Stoops is on par with Leach right now you are looking at it with bias. Not facts.
Bama has beat the brakes off everybody not named LSU. the SEC is the best conference in football but the PAC 12 ain't chopped liver. Some of their nornally good teams have struggled this year. You act as if the PAC is akin to the the OVC or something.
He never had a losing season at TT. The guy can coach and has proven at not historically good football schools. What has Stoops proven to this point?

 

[reflaine]

I said he has beaten ranked teams consistently. Meaning several ranked teams. Stoops has beaten one that ended up 5-7 on the year.
Leach is the all-time winningest coach in TT history and took over a team that had won 9 games in 4 years and has them ranked and looking to win 9 games two years in a row. If you think Stoops is on par with Leach right now you are looking at it with bias. Not facts.
Bama has beat the brakes off everybody not named LSU. the SEC is the best conference in football but the PAC 12 ain't chopped liver. Some of their nornally good teams have struggled this year. You act as if the PAC is akin to the the OVC or something.
He never had a losing season at TT. The guy can coach and has proven at not historically good football schools. What has Stoops proven to this point?

Apparently you didn't read what I just posted. I discredited stoops win, since they didn't finish the season in the top twenty five. Interesting point is leach hasn't beat anyone who finished the season in the top twenty five. Crazy huh

And stoops sure took over a great roster. Want an interesting tidbit. Stoops is 4-0 against fcs teams at current Job. Leach is 3-2

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Just to be fair after I mentioned mizzu they ended up not rated at end of season. That way a preseason ranking wouldn't skew the results. So went and checked leach record and he has also beat zero teams ranked at the end of the year in five seasons as stoops has in four. Stanford could end up ranked but was without their hiesman candidate.

Wow, you guys really don't like Leach huh? Do you realize how bad historically WSU has been? I'm not saying he is Bear Bryant but he is measurably better than Stoops right now.

 

[Beatle Bum]

He is a good coach. No other P5 program in the country is pining for him.