Leach's High Octane WSU Offense only has 6 points
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I've been as against leach to Kentucky as anyone. Have had multiple lost on why he wasn't an option and rightfully so. But bowl games are not a great indication of a coach Can actually coach. Was just one year ago Eddie gran at Uc was terrible in a bowl. How does everyone feel about that hire now.
One bad night doesn't mean anything. Besides they are totally getting jobbed by the refs in this game. How that replay on the punt didn't get over turned I'll never know. That's plain and simple incompetence, or the refs have money on Minnesota one. The last play on 3rd down I can sort of get the missed replay but they should have got that one right on the field. He clearly caught the ball and was laying on his back for a couple seconds before it got stripped away.
Yes including FIVE defensive backs and two linebackers and one more DB left the game injured in the 3rd qtr. WaState should have put up 50 on that defense - absolutely horrible effort.
Mike Leach plays to much like Mumme ball. It worked fo a couple of seasons at UK, but was a complete flop at the last. It didn't work when he went to New Mexico. A coach must call some running plays to keep the defense honest. Leach doesn't, and Mumme didn't. I'm thankful we didn't get Leach. I have no doubt he would win 6 games most years, but I hope Coach Stoops can do a lot better then that.
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Three or four calls that would not of been oveturned if they had been called the other way. Still a good called defensive game by Minnesota. These mid-tier bowl games are hard to pick. It's hard telling who is going to come out with the mindset to win. Not a whole lot to play for.
I found coach Leach to be very smart but a little quirky! He could articulate on the battle of Antietam as well as Mumme ball. As for me I never lobbied for Mike as my WILDCAT coach!
He's about a 60/40 pass to run ratio...not over the top, but a little too much passing. I've never been a die-hard Leach fan like others, but there is zero doubt he has been successful. Mummy had a couple good years, Leach has had 10 seasons of 8 or more wins at two programs not really known for winning. Give him credit for success even if you don't want him here.
Leach or bust!!!
Petrino or bust!!!
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Petrino or bust!!!
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I actually only saw maybe a quarter total of this game but I was greatly surprised the WSU QB struggled as much as he did. Think he was rated 4th best QB if he came out but announced he was returning for his sr year. Wise move.
Where are the posters calli,g anyone who doubted Leach's greatness sunshine pumpers?
This is one of several losses in a row for WSU and the greatest coach in college fb.
This is one of several losses in a row for WSU and the greatest coach in college fb.
Yea but he lost his qb and was playing a young guy with no experience. This QB was supposed to be NFL good.
they ran the ball 1/3 of the time last night. what % of running plays must be called?
Yea Leach runs it more than you think just like Mumme but most all are draws or delays meant to sneak yards when the defense might be looking pass. Anthony White made a living on those and dumps out of the backfield. The problem with that is it struggles when in short yardage or in the short field goal line situations. Mumme always struggled there too but there's not doubt the dink and dunk moved the chains between the 20s.
His success is impressive. I think people think his style can't win national championships, which is fair. The problem is we're probably not going to win national championships with Stoops either. I think Leach would have made for a fine coach here. 7-9 win seasons would have been the range I think Leach would have accomplished, which I believe to be Stoops' mark as well.
Pretty sure that was Tooberville's team. Not a shocker though. Gran and Hinshaw were leaving. Keil had basically been "suspended". It was a game in Hawaii on Christmas Eve in front of a handful of fans, and against a pretty good San Diego St team that was on their 2nd trip to Hawaii for the year and had zero distractions.
As for Leach, he's a good coach, but needs the right "fit" and I think he has that in Pullman. I've always likened him to that crazy relative that we've all had at one time or another in that you love them and like seeing them from time to time, but you're never going to take them out on the town or invite them over for a big gathering because you just never know what they will do or say.
Crazy outcome last night though. With a depleted Minnesota secondary, I would have thought WSU would roll.
Leach beat up on the bad teams and average teams on his schedule and took it hard from the better teams like Colorado, Washington, Boise ST and Minnesota. The Big Ten is good, as we all knew. So far it has been very good in the bowl season.
I'm about convinced Leach's "style" really can't win anywhere.
That said, now I have to ask myself why in the world would Bob Stoops choose someone like Mike Leach from Kentucky and his "style" of offense as his first hire when he got the Oklahoma HC job? This is a complete mystery to me. I mean here you get your first big coaching break at a football tradition rich powerhouse school why would you take a chance on an offense that you can't win with? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
And what is even more puzzling is when Leach left to take the HC job at TTU, Bob Stoops had every chance to get rid of that "style" of ball and go with a more winnable "style", but for some reason chose to instead keep playing that unwinnable "style" of ball, tweaked the run to pass ratio a bit and managed to somehow win a National Championship with it.
I just don't see how that is possible.
That said, now I have to ask myself why in the world would Bob Stoops choose someone like Mike Leach from Kentucky and his "style" of offense as his first hire when he got the Oklahoma HC job? This is a complete mystery to me. I mean here you get your first big coaching break at a football tradition rich powerhouse school why would you take a chance on an offense that you can't win with? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
And what is even more puzzling is when Leach left to take the HC job at TTU, Bob Stoops had every chance to get rid of that "style" of ball and go with a more winnable "style", but for some reason chose to instead keep playing that unwinnable "style" of ball, tweaked the run to pass ratio a bit and managed to somehow win a National Championship with it.
I just don't see how that is possible.
WSU was in about as bad a shape recruiting wise as UK when he got there, maybe worse considering UK was in the SEC and had more tradition etc AND a good fan base that made several think we were a sleeping giant-------And those several might very well be right. I think he has done a remarkable job since he got there, I don't think his QB was very highly recruited at all.
I think that's fair, good coaches who get a lot of time to bisect the team they are playing, can be very tough in a bowl game.
What I find funny about those defending Leach because it was a bowl game and yada yada, is that when Brooks lost a bowl game, or Joker, or ever if we lose with Stoops, they will be on here talking about how we had a month to prepare and still can't win. The hypocracy and double standard is crazy.
For all the "it's just one game, one bowl game, one bad night" stuff...
He also lost to Eastern Washington this year, which is an FCS (Div 1-AA) team.
The amount of excuses I see on this board when Mike Leach loses a football game is hilarious. You'd think this was a WSU board. By the way, Minnesota had a depleted defense with suspensions, etc. but hey, just a bad night for WSU.
He also lost to Eastern Washington this year, which is an FCS (Div 1-AA) team.
The amount of excuses I see on this board when Mike Leach loses a football game is hilarious. You'd think this was a WSU board. By the way, Minnesota had a depleted defense with suspensions, etc. but hey, just a bad night for WSU.
Pass happy offenses have had mixed success in the bowls this year, just like most years. It can win, in the right circumstances, just like any offense. Whether it can win championships, I can't say, since we haven't really seen a top tier team with that kind of offense since OK or FLA, in the Spurrier years -- I guess one might say that is why we haven't seen a top tier team be full on Air-Raid. It will be interesting to see how OK State does tonight against a pretty good defense in Colorado.
One of the best FCS teams that often beat P5 teams.
Should we have fired all our offensive AND defensive coaches after the Florida game?
Florida and E. Wash are a little bit different. Just a little bit. Also, I never said anything about firing anyone. Though many on this board flipped out that we lost to Florida but the same ones still praised Leach after he lost to a I-AA team.
It's just interesting the love Leach gets on here. E. Washington is a bad loss. Scoring 6 points vs. a depleted Minnesota is not good either.
Leach or bust!
Teams have a much higher chance of beating an unorthodox offense (ones that you don't see very often) with a month to prepare. Isn't that what a lot of people have been saying about Georgia Tech and their bowl games? Especially when you are the more talented team. It doesn't mean the other team's coach isn't any good. It just means the offensive advantage they used to help them during the season was somewhat negated and it then reverses back to talent and teams like Washington St and Georgia Tech tend to be huge underdogs on talent.
For instance, the past 4 years of recruiting classes for us averages about 27th. I believe Georgia Tech has averaged around 59th. Only one year did they come within 30 of us in the rankings. So we likely should win in a straight up game, but they run the unusual offense to give them a better chance at beating a more talented team. Can we shut them down with a month to prepare? At the very least will we beat them due to our talent advantage? Coach Stoops has faced them before and with the talent advantage I would think this would be a disappointing loss if we don't win.
For instance, the past 4 years of recruiting classes for us averages about 27th. I believe Georgia Tech has averaged around 59th. Only one year did they come within 30 of us in the rankings. So we likely should win in a straight up game, but they run the unusual offense to give them a better chance at beating a more talented team. Can we shut them down with a month to prepare? At the very least will we beat them due to our talent advantage? Coach Stoops has faced them before and with the talent advantage I would think this would be a disappointing loss if we don't win.
Something to think about.
His classes the past four years have ranked, in the nation:
2016, 52th
2015, 49th
2014, 69th (the year we finished 18th coming off a TWO win season).
2013. 51st
GREAT coach at a school very hard to recruit at, and also very intelligent in every way, has a law degree.
But he wouldn't have solved what I think has been UK's main problem for decades, especially during mitch's reign (Probation AND lack of support), no way I would want to trade for him now, although winning at UK SINCE we have made a commitment to football would let him upgrade his recruiting tremendously.
I really enjoy watching all the four (and a five star!!!) players we are putting on the field now, and it should get better.
His classes the past four years have ranked, in the nation:
2016, 52th
2015, 49th
2014, 69th (the year we finished 18th coming off a TWO win season).
2013. 51st
GREAT coach at a school very hard to recruit at, and also very intelligent in every way, has a law degree.
But he wouldn't have solved what I think has been UK's main problem for decades, especially during mitch's reign (Probation AND lack of support), no way I would want to trade for him now, although winning at UK SINCE we have made a commitment to football would let him upgrade his recruiting tremendously.
I really enjoy watching all the four (and a five star!!!) players we are putting on the field now, and it should get better.