Getting Thompson as a deep threat and all that is good, but if you don’t have the lineman with the skill set to pass block for a full 3 seconds it’s a waste of time. It’s like buying a corvette but you can’t afford the insurance to go with it. If you can’t afford the insurance to go with it, you need to commit to drive something else. Other words, this **** ain’t gone work here consistently at state, except against Alcorn state and others, without all the required pieces for Lebby’s offense we to work. I’m on record for someone else that has a proven track record at offensive production with less talent against superior talent. Lebby’s resume never showed that. Anything and anyone that has ever had consistent success here at state has had success at other places that was always the underdog. They always had a resume of production against better talent. That’s the kind of guy you need here at state.
Lebby’s offense requires 3 seconds of pass blocking…
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Also to add, you’re always going to have a lineman go down at some point. If one lineman down affects the offense to not be able to execute, then again the point stands. If you’re offense requires all lineman to be able to pass block for 3 seconds to work, then again the you need backups with that same elite skill set that can do the same.
The offense doesn't throw deep on every play. There are plenty of plays that can go for 5 to 15 yards a pop. Shapen just loves the deep ball it seems. Remember how everyone griped about Will Rogers throwing underneath and never deep? I'm happy we try and have quick strike capability. We have injuries. That's it. When we were healthy, we nearly beat TN.
When was Mullen, under Urban Meyer "always the underdog" ? Not at Bowling Green, it Utah, or at FL, but not "always the underdog".
Matter of fact on the other hand, who "has ever had consistent success here"? I guess it's how you define consistent success
What if you have an oline that can block 1.5 secs, a qb that can rollout to buy another 1.5 secs. Would that work? If so, I know a guy. He will be qb next yr.
Mullen’s offense absolutely overachieved at Bowling Green and Utah. Not to mention it’s overachieving this year at UNLV. And obviously here at State he proved he could do more with less. Then defensively Joe Lee Dunn carried us for a little while, doing more with less here. He also did the same at Arkansas and Memphis.
Where has Lebby proved or shown that he and his offensive can do more with less?
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Line has always been an issue with State, which is why so many default to RuNdAbAwL and are happy with going 8-4 once in a while. Danny Boy is one of the few who found a way to pair up the pass game. And obviously Leach, many were skeptical if he could bring in the guys needed, similar to what you're saying about Lebby, and I'm be damned if he didn't do it, and quickly. Just a shame we couldn't have had 5-7 years with him.
But yeah, Lebby's tenure will be defined on whether he can get what's needed, as usual. Funny how when you say that sort of thing, it generally does work. See Croom and Moorhead.
Leach didn’t ask his o-line to hold their blocks for prolonged periods for slow developing long pass plays. That’s one reason his scheme worked at a lot of different places, most of which usually didn’t have the superior talent across the board. It was basically the air version of the triple option. He didn’t need NFL tackles to run his system.
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Why can't you realize that Lebby was starting below 0 rebuilding this team. He definitely has it going in the right direction.
I'm not saying what Lebby is doing won't work here.
However I do believe your best Ingredients for success at Mississippi State are... to load up the defense with athletes.
Get an athlete for a QB with some good RBs. Run a ball control offense with a good defense.
MSU football has never been a finesse program and been successful.
However I do believe your best Ingredients for success at Mississippi State are... to load up the defense with athletes.
Get an athlete for a QB with some good RBs. Run a ball control offense with a good defense.
MSU football has never been a finesse program and been successful.
I agree 100% about Lebby.
But your statement was about Mullen teams being an underdog, i.e. not favored to win. When were teams that Mullen worked with before coming here, ever underdogs? They were probably favored in MOST every game they played at all 3 stops (Bowling Green, Utah and FL) Meyers HC record at those 3 stops was 104-23. They didn't overachieve and upset 104 teams in that period.
You're right. He also did things to mitigate like big OL splits. I mean you can see how this works in simple flag football.......when you have a fast DE getting around you, line up wider.
I used to think it was best to do the athlete at QB thing, but nowadays I'm of the opinion that you just need something different. Option, Air Raid, whatever.
One thing is for certain, you do have to move the football. So while I agree on defense......remember, Croom had pretty good defenses too. Still went 3-9.
What dumbasses lol!
Mike Leach teams at State averaged 26 points per game. Mullen averaged 29 points per game. Lebby teams are at 30 points per game so far with two of the toughest schedules in America during his time here.
Mike Leach teams at State averaged 26 points per game. Mullen averaged 29 points per game. Lebby teams are at 30 points per game so far with two of the toughest schedules in America during his time here.
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I haven't seen anything that would tell me Lebby's offense is not going to ever work at MSU. It looks like to me, two SEC caliber tackles gets you there. MSU has had those guys before (Derek Sherrod, Charles Cross, Pork Chop, ect).
On the INT against TAMU when Shapen's arm got hit, he had Thompson wide open and was throwing the ball less than 1.5 sec after the snap. He still got hit because the OL is so bad.
Two SEC caliber tackles don't just fall out of the sky at MSU.
I agree, he just needs more players. If he can get them, his offense will score. The D is almost there, and should be better next year.
With all those guys coming back on defense (assuming), we should have a little extra to spend on OL
Most of Lebby’s is garbage time points and stats. We’ve been over that from last year. Last year games were down multiple scores early.
Lost by 3 to ASU (playoff team)
FL- only a 2 score game after 3 qtrs
TX- only a 2 score game after 3 qtrs
GA- only a 10 pt game after 3 qtrs
A&M- only 2 score game after 3qtrs
TN- only 2 score game after 3 qtrs
OM- 1 score game after 3 qtrs
We didn't score more than 7 in the 4th qtr except against ASU., At least research your trolling BS so you don't look as much like an idiot
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Half time score with our total yards:
Arizona St. 3-27. (82)
Toledo. 3-28. (150)
Florida. 14-28. (210)
Texas. 6-14. (165)
Georgia. 10-27. (130)
Texas A&M 17-21. (273) (2nd half- 80)
Arkansas. 10-31. (244)
Tennessee 7-20 (?)
Ole Miss 14-10 (we didn’t score in second half)
Garbage time inflated offensive numbers, points per game numbers you posted, because most were put up when we’re behind multiple scores and in garbage time, and include the doo do schools we ran up the score on
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Actually at Bowling Green in his first season he helped one of the greatest turnarounds, going 8-3, while the season before they went 2-9 before he got there. Then his first season at Utah he helped them to a best ever recored 10-2 for new coaches and helped win the schools first ever conference championship. After that he helped Florida improve to 9-3 in his first season and 13-1 in his second season, after they won 6 games the season before he got there. My point stands
A 2 score game isn’t a close game. Those games were over at halftime.
And that was at a neutral site
Not sure why folks think Noodle couldn’t throw the deep ball. That capability is generally about your WRs. I remember him hitting quite a few to RaRa alone.
Champion?
And who was the guy from Columbus that flipped signing day to Alabama but then transferred to us later? Not sure if he ever did anything
And who was the guy from Columbus that flipped signing day to Alabama but then transferred to us later? Not sure if he ever did anything