I'm sure many of you can analyze and nit pick a lot of details, but the only thing that got my goat was when he went for it on 4th down leading #12 AZST 17-10 in the 2nd half. We were at about midfield as I recall and I absolutely would not have done that with a 7 pt lead. Why give them the ball back with a short field with the way they had been gashing us on the ground.....make them go 90+ yds to do it instead of 40 or 50. But....I'm sure he had more info than I did which determined his decision. This was a huge game for his and our season's prospects. I'm not ready to say we'll go 6-6, but a case was made that it is possible. One can only hope Jack!
Lebby did pretty good last night.....
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Pretty sure we were trying to draw them offsides and were only snapping it if they jumped. They did jump, we snapped it, but the official didn't call it. Hard to tell if he got back onside or not, but I selfishly felt it should have been a flag.
Agreed. Old school says that field position is very important (see J. W. Sherrill). I hope he doesn’t do it in the future.
Lebby is a very confident guy. He believes he can win every game with explosives plays. Showtime is what he told us we'd see here & that's exactly what he delivered last night. I've been on the Lebby train from the beginning, but I guess once you get to talk to him & hear him out, it's easier to buy in.
He didn't get back, and to add a cherry on top of the ****-officiating sundae, the ASU defender arrived early on the pass as well. Also, they missed a blatant PI on the throw downfield a couple plays prior.
Yep you could see Shapen pleading his case a little to the refs. He totally snapped it because the defense jumped and he thought he had a free play.
Let's also add the BS late hit on the QB that led to their FG.
His clock mgt at the end of the game was pretty darn good. Only big mistake was not punting but as others have said we drew the guy offsides and thought we had a free play.
Yup. We had some go our way too but thought we did pretty well overcoming some bad calls against us.
now the chip block flag picked up was big. I’m not clear on that rule but the announcers seemed to think we should have been flagged.
Does Lebby let the refs have it when they miss a call? Or do they just not show it?
Seems like every other shot of the ASU coach was him yelling at the ref for something.
Neither team played spotless ball. Just curious if anybody thinks how vocal a coach is with the refs ever influenced how the game is called. Particularly if you see “make up” calls tossed around.
Seems like every other shot of the ASU coach was him yelling at the ref for something.
Neither team played spotless ball. Just curious if anybody thinks how vocal a coach is with the refs ever influenced how the game is called. Particularly if you see “make up” calls tossed around.
Important to note that the announcer that was pleading the case so diligently was Brock Osweiler, who played QB at…. You guessed it… Arizona State.
I don’t know the exact rule to a tee, but it did not seem like a clear and obvious chop block to me. Borderline call that could go either way and for once it went our way.
I will still argue that both calls were BS. Our lineman was running without a helmet because an ASU player ripped it off, and the late hit on Leavitt was not late.
As for the helmet call that doesn’t matter. Even if there had been a facemask called, when our guy kept playing that is an automatic penalty by rule.
It was obvious. But I will never apologize for catching a break from the refs. It usually goes the other way for us.
Close but touchdown to me. Ball landed on the goal line.
Right, and that was my point. Should’ve been off setting fouls, but the refs whiffed on that call just like two PIs and an offsides on the ASU defense just a few minutes later
20 years ago that’s how they taught running backs to make that block
seemed legit to me
Yes hit him at the waist/upper thigh and the ASU player tried to lunge over the legal block. Was not at the knees or below.
Ref was right on top of it looking right at it.
Announcers were wilding on that and several other moments like they were teenagers
Was really disappointed with Dave & Brock...They got lost in zona's 2nd 1/2 c/b and completely missed an opp to make the point that Hutzler made a 2024 CFP team completely one-dimensional. That and Dillingham leaving E3 & BT 1v1 way too many times. ASU guessed wrong on both sides of the ball.
I thought he called a great game. I am cautiously optimistic
They never adjusted. The last TD was a carbon copy of the 1st one just to a different receiver. That right CB & safety had d bad night. And it’s not all their fault. They were left on an island vs 2 fast receivers.
Sam Levitt made ASU completely one dimensional. He is a very inaccurate passer.
A chop block is when two blockers are engaged with the same defender and one of them goes low. That’s why it was an illegal block. We were ridiculously lucky they picked it up as the block was illegal
well one of the announcers was a former asu qb. it was close but he argued against State all game
I differ on this one, and will tell you why. The chop-block rule, as I read it allows a bit of contact. The spirit of the rule is to protect players from potential serious injury, so is meant to be for when there are 2 players absolutely engaged in the kind of blocking that creates that possibility.
Take another close look at the play. Our TE actually slips out as a receiver...you know, the common tactic of pretending you are staying in to block, but really all you are doing is a kind of ole where you put your hands on the other player as if to block him, but it was designed to be the slip out as a receiver. Our guy reaches his arms out, but if you watch, our guy deliberately uses that to sneak out.
I think it was a close call that could have gone either way, but reading the actual rule, including exceptions, it appears to me a good call to pick up the flag. And hey, they were B12 refs, who showed later in the game just how much they were prepared to blatantly cheat (IMO) for ASU after their team got down by 17.
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