LeBron James

[justanotherguy505]

Witness Greatness as LeCheatCode does it again; I think he's toying with the NBA; instead of breezing to an easy win (they were up 14 at the end of three), he lets the other team come back and tie, only to take it away from them again. Is he now 7-12 on game winning shots in the playoffs (I know he missed in game one)? Although I am one to not compare players from different generations, he's definitely the Best player to ever play the game. If he beats the Warriors this season, there will be no question that he is the Greatest Ever.

 

[Big John Stud]

Who's gonna tell them that Lebron and Cal have the same political leanings?

 

[26MichaelUK]

I dont like him because he tells us how great he is and he’s a staunch supporter of the worst President in U.S. history....when he’s not using his platform to bash the current one.

Maybe it's the hate he has for the actual worst president in our history you don't like. Just sayin.

 

[Bigjoecatfan56]

Lebron is great, anyone denying that has an agenda. However, the fact that he has had to have super teams to win titles throughout his career knocks him down a few pegs in the all time discussion in my opinion. In fact, I would argue that this current team that everyone keeps trashing, is just as talented as Jordan's best team. Kevin Love, Kyle Korver, Jr Smith, Tristian Thompson, Jordan Clarkson vs. Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, Kukoc....about the same.

 

[Cowboys&Wildcats]

Lebron is great, anyone denying that has an agenda. However, the fact that he has had to have super teams to win titles throughout his career knocks him down a few pegs in the all time discussion in my opinion. In fact, I would argue that this current team that everyone keeps trashing, is just as talented as Jordan's best team. Kevin Love, Kyle Korver, Jr Smith, Tristian Thompson, Jordan Clarkson vs. Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, Kukoc....about the same.

This is an underrated troll post, you almost had me.

 

[Bigjoecatfan56]

This is an underrated troll post, you almost had me.

Huh? Like, a Lebron troll?

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

For all those that can't link




GOAT. Personally my favorite is the JR Lebron dance at the end

 

[26MichaelUK]

Lebron is great, anyone denying that has an agenda. However, the fact that he has had to have super teams to win titles throughout his career knocks him down a few pegs in the all time discussion in my opinion. In fact, I would argue that this current team that everyone keeps trashing, is just as talented as Jordan's best team. Kevin Love, Kyle Korver, Jr Smith, Tristian Thompson, Jordan Clarkson vs. Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, Kukoc....about the same.

Um he literally drug an absolutely terrible team to the finals in his first stint in Cleveland. They weren't putting any good players around him his whole tenure there. He gave the Cavs front office ample time to do this and they didn't and he got fed up and left, as would anyone with common sense chasing a title.

After he wins 2 he comes back and vows to win Cleveland a title. Not only did he do that, he did it in incredible style. Being the first team in an nba championship to come back down 3-1, against the team with the most wins in a regular season and the mvp. Not only did he do that, he did it with the best finals performance in nba history.

There is no way in hell this Cleveland team is anywhere near as good as those Jordan teams u mentioned. No effing way.

I've NEVER understood the hate for him, and that hate actually made me a fan of his.

 

[Bigjoecatfan56]

Um he literally drug an absolutely terrible team to the finals in his first stint in Cleveland. They weren't putting any good players around him his whole tenure there. He gave the Cavs front office ample time to do this and they didn't and he got fed up and left, as would anyone with common sense chasing a title.

After he wins 2 he comes back and vows to win Cleveland a title. Not only did he do that, he did it in incredible style. Being the first team in an nba championship to come back down 3-1, against the team with the most wins in a regular season and the mvp. Not only did he do that, he did it with the best finals performance in nba history.

There is no way in hell this Cleveland team is anywhere near as good as those Jordan teams u mentioned. No effing way.

I've NEVER understood the hate for him, and that hate actually made me a fan of his.

I did not say as good, obviously Jordan's best team would crush this one. What I said was, the talent was basically the same. Do you remember that Kevin Love was a 26 and 13 guy at Minnesota? Did Pippen ever put up numbers like that even without MJ? Korver is maybe the best 3 point shooter in NBA history, did MJ have a shooter that great? Tristian Thompson is a great rebounder just like Rodman, but maybe better offensively. Hell this cleveland team has a 15 ppg scorer coming off the bench in Hood. Did Jordan's team ever have anyone that good on their bench? Face it, Lebron has had to have super teams to win, Jordan and most other legends did not.

 

[fatguy87]

In the Lebron v Jordan discussion, folks tend to tremendously underestimate the ability of Grant and Rodman.

The fact is that Jordan won with a super team. The Celtics, Lakers, and Spurs all won with super teams. That's the nature of the NBA. These multi-championship teams are populated with 2-3 hall of fame players. It's why they're good and capable to sustain the success. Lebron's situation is perceived to be different because he exerted more power through free agency to form his super team rather than having the team luck into a star through the draft or having Dennis Rodman fall into their lap.

 

[fatguy87]

Tristian Thompson is a great rebounder just like Rodman, but maybe better offensively.

You're just slightly downplaying the difference in rebounding ability. Thompson is above average in his generation while Rodman is the best rebounder ever by an absurd margin.

 

[WitnessGreatness]

Golden State is about twice as good as any team MJ faced in the Finals btw

 

[DakkoN_rivals378614]

MJ just had literally the best wing defender of all time, the best rebounder/top 5 defender of all time, and the best coach of all time on his team. But but, that's not a super team..

Some of ya'll post some really dumb **** and have tricked yourselves into believing it's true. Saying "Jordan and most other legends did not." is one of the most absurd statements I've ever read. Name another legend that won a title that didn't have another top player on their team.. I'll wait. Even Bill Russell had top 50 players of all time on his team, when the league only had 8 teams filled with players who basketball wasn't even their main job..

 

[WitnessGreatness]

MJ just had literally the best wing defender of all time, the best rebounder/top 5 defender of all time, and the best coach of all time on his team. But but, that's not a super team..

Some of ya'll post some really dumb **** and have tricked yourselves into believing it's true. Saying "Jordan and most other legends did not." is one of the most absurd statements I've ever read. Name another legend that won a title that didn't have another top player on their team.. I'll wait. Even Bill Russell had top 50 players of all time on his team, when the league only had 8 teams filled with players who basketball wasn't even their main job..

Jordan played against a very very weak NBA from expansion

 

[king of cali]

Face it, Lebron has had to have super teams to win, Jordan and most other legends did not.

Not sure if serious. No way can you look at the rosters that guys like MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell, and Kobe won with and say that they didn’t have stacked teams.

And Love is nowhere close to Pippen, no matter what his stats in Minnesota were.

 

[Bigjoecatfan56]

Not sure if serious. No way can you look at the rosters that guys like MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell, and Kobe won with and say that they didn’t have stacked teams.

And Love is nowhere close to Pippen, no matter what his stats in Minnesota were.

Are you serious dude? Jordan's teams were stacked? Kobe? He had shaq and that was it. Lebron has had to have multiple superstars to win rings, that is a fact. Those guys had teams bult around them, Lebron joined the Heat with 2 other superstars to win it. Lets go back to Jordan though, his early 90's teams were stacked? Please, tell me how so.

 

[Bigjoecatfan56]

Not sure if serious. No way can you look at the rosters that guys like MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell, and Kobe won with and say that they didn’t have stacked teams.

And Love is nowhere close to Pippen, no matter what his stats in Minnesota were.

Also, Love is a better shooter and rebounder than Pippen was.

 

[natchezrule]

Lol ppl cry about lebron too much. Should appreciate what you're seeing doesnt come along very often.

Ppl say he whines about calls, but the reality is hes so big and strong he makes contact on him look like nothing much of the time, which would be fouls on others. Hes not easy to push..usually plows through it.

He’s a cry baby

 

[king of cali]

Are you serious dude? Jordan's teams were stacked? Kobe? He had shaq and that was it. Lebron has had to have multiple superstars to win rings, that is a fact. Those guys had teams bult around them, Lebron joined the Heat with 2 other superstars to win it. Lets go back to Jordan though, his early 90's teams were stacked? Please, tell me how so.

Yes, Jordan’s teams were stacked. In addition to himself he had pippen(all time top 30 player), Grant knock down shooters in Paxson and Armstrong, and that’s not even counting the man who is recognized as the GOAT coach in Phil Jackson. His mid 90s run was even more stacked with pippen, Rodman, Kukoc(premier 6th man), kerr(all time leader in 3 point %) with Jackson there again as coach.

Not only did Kobe play with Shaq, he played with peak Shaq who ranks up there with anyone the game has seen from 2000-02. His 2008-10 teams were ridiculous with Gasol(probably the premier low post player in the league, Odom, with Jackson again as coach. No one had a roster as talented as the Lakers. Your take the only LeBron has played on stacked teams is absolutely laughable when you look throughout history.

 

[Bigjoecatfan56]

Yes, Jordan’s teams were stacked. In addition to himself he had pippen(all time top 30 player), Grant knock down shooters in Paxson and Armstrong, and that’s not even counting the man who is recognized as the GOAT coach in Phil Jackson. His mid 90s run was even more stacked with pippen, Rodman, Kukoc(premier 6th man), kerr(all time leader in 3 point %) with Jackson there again as coach.

Not only did Kobe play with Shaq, he played with peak Shaq who ranks up there with anyone the game has seen from 2000-02. His 2008-10 teams were ridiculous with Gasol(probably the premier low post player in the league, Odom, with Jackson again as coach. No one had a roster as talented as the Lakers. Your take the only LeBron has played on stacked teams is absolutely laughable when you look throughout history.

Lebron is the only superstar who left his team to go join 3 other superstars. It took him teaming with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen to win his first 3 titles. You can not name me another superstar that ever had to have that much talent around him to win. And bye the way, nobody in their right mind would call Scottie Pippen a top 30 player. Hell, there may be 30 players in the league right now better than him. You are also gonna call Kobe's Gasol and Odom teams stacked? lol..yea
ok.

 

[CatfanMike47]

Lebron is the only superstar who left his team to go join 3 other superstars. It took him teaming with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen to win his first 3 titles. You can not name me another superstar that ever had to have that much talent around him to win. And bye the way, nobody in their right mind would call Scottie Pippen a top 30 player. Hell, there may be 30 players in the league right now better than him. You are also gonna call Kobe's Gasol and Odom teams stacked? lol..yea
ok.

Your wrong! That Laker team with Gasol was stacked. Pippen is a top 50 player. Go look it up dude. They presented the top 50 players all time at a all star game a few years back. He was also on the Olympic team as well.

 

[DakkoN_rivals378614]

Lebron is the only superstar who left his team to go join 3 other superstars. It took him teaming with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen to win his first 3 titles. You can not name me another superstar that ever had to have that much talent around him to win. And bye the way, nobody in their right mind would call Scottie Pippen a top 30 player. Hell, there may be 30 players in the league right now better than him. You are also gonna call Kobe's Gasol and Odom teams stacked? lol..yea
ok.

Just stop. You've made yourself look a damn fool for the last 2 pages. Now you're discrediting Pippen who is the best wing defender of all time, as a means to glorify Jordan more. Every single opinion you've posted so far has been downright ignorant. Just stop it.

 

[CATofninelives]

Who cares? He is great, you know it too but you're mad about it.

Who said he wasn’t great? You aren’t able to handle an opinion different than yours. Jordan was great, but a POS human. LeBron is great, but he cheapens it by telling us how great he is. It is what it is. Deal with it.

 

[TigerMoving]

Dude the Bulls won 55 games WITHOUT Jordan, they were STACKED. What in the world are you talking about. This Cavs team is basically Lebron, a middling Kevin Love, and a bunch of role players.

 

[mjj_2K]

Lebron is the only superstar who left his team to go join 3 other superstars. It took him teaming with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen to win his first 3 titles. You can not name me another superstar that ever had to have that much talent around him to win. And bye the way, nobody in their right mind would call Scottie Pippen a top 30 player. Hell, there may be 30 players in the league right now better than him. You are also gonna call Kobe's Gasol and Odom teams stacked? lol..yea
ok.

You do yourself no favors when you don't even have a grasp of basic facts.

Ray Allen was not on the first Heat title team. And by the time he got to Miami, for their 2nd title, he was 37 years old.

And like a lot of foolish people, you completely ignore defense as part of a team equation. Particularly noticeable in the ignorant way you go about trashing Scottie Pippen, who was named to the 1st or 2nd All-Defensive team 10 times.

A team is more than a collection of individual pieces. The Bulls were perfectly constructed to play around Jordan in a way that LeBron's never really experienced. I have no dog in this fight, but your attempts to denigrate LeBron and act like he's somehow been carried by his teams is wildly unrealistic.

 

[caneintally]

I always thought he needed 1 more title to be considered the greatest player ever but after his playoff show (already !) I might have to give him GOAT status now. He has more playoff game winners then Jordan and Kobe (8) and has 5 buzzer beater playoff game winners which is even crazier.

 

[caneintally]

Dude the Bulls won 55 games WITHOUT Jordan, they were STACKED. What in the world are you talking about. This Cavs team is basically Lebron, a middling Kevin Love, and a bunch of role players.

Someone who speaks the truth. Also totally different eras .

 

[akaukswoosh]

Well played.

 

[Wildcatfan66]

Lebron is the best player on the planet right now, and probably one of the 5 greatest of all time.

That being said, I just don't like his style of play. And he's a whiny player, but then most superstars are.

 

[akaukswoosh]

That being said, I just don't like his style of play.

I never have either.

 

[bukadika]

Lebron is the only superstar who left his team to go join 3 other superstars. It took him teaming with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen to win his first 3 titles. You can not name me another superstar that ever had to have that much talent around him to win. And bye the way, nobody in their right mind would call Scottie Pippen a top 30 player. Hell, there may be 30 players in the league right now better than him. You are also gonna call Kobe's Gasol and Odom teams stacked? lol..yea
ok.

kevin durant

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Are you serious dude? Jordan's teams were stacked? Kobe? He had shaq and that was it. Lebron has had to have multiple superstars to win rings, that is a fact. Those guys had teams bult around them, Lebron joined the Heat with 2 other superstars to win it. Lets go back to Jordan though, his early 90's teams were stacked? Please, tell me how so.

Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc is a stacked team. That's three hall of famers (or should be if they haven't gotten in yet) and one of the best European players in the history of the sport. Ron Harper was a really good player the year before he joined the Bulls as well. I don't know if his drop in productivity was him just sucking or because of the team he joined.

Had Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong in his first three-year run instead of Rodman, two All-Stars right there. Joh Paxson was no slouch by any means either.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Lebron is the only superstar who left his team to go join 3 other superstars. It took him teaming with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen to win his first 3 titles. You can not name me another superstar that ever had to have that much talent around him to win. And bye the way, nobody in their right mind would call Scottie Pippen a top 30 player. Hell, there may be 30 players in the league right now better than him. You are also gonna call Kobe's Gasol and Odom teams stacked? lol..yea
ok.

Ray Allen joined the Heat two years after LeBron got there. Therefore, he didn't leave to join a team with three superstars. And Ray Allen was washed up by the time he got to Miami, dude was nothing but a ring chaser at that point.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Lebron is the best player on the planet right now, and probably one of the 5 greatest of all time.

That being said, I just don't like his style of play. And he's a whiny player, but then most superstars are.

What's not entertaining about being good at every facet of the game?

 

[MC1190]

I think part of the hate for Lebron stems from the fact that he went searching for a Super Team, whereas Bird, Jordan, and Magic helped build their teams from the ground up. Not saying whether I like or dislike Lebron, but I think the perception of him is sometimes clouded by his team-jumping. Heck, he might even jump teams again before it's all said and done...
JMHO

 

[WitnessGreatness]

If you stack up all 13 teams MJ & LeBron have faced in the NBA Finals, six of the top eight would be LeBron opponents, including the top four (the 2017 Warriors, 2016 Warriors, 2014 Spurs, and 2012 Thunder).

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/galle...offs-finals-preview-greatest-opponents-052517

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/lebrons-nba-finals-opponents-mjs/story?id=47911521

 

[morgousky]

For those who don't hate LeBron here it's such a shame he has to play with this garbage team. Korver his shots tonight and Calderon of all people played well but my god this team is garbage thanks to Kyrie wanting out. I am a Cavs fan but I sure won't blame LeBron when he leaves this time.

Well it’s ridiculous for a guy of his caliber to roster hop. It diminishes his place in history, and I like Lebrun.

 

[morgousky]

If you stack up all 13 teams MJ & LeBron have faced in the NBA Finals, six of the top eight would be LeBron opponents, including the top four (the 2017 Warriors, 2016 Warriors, 2014 Spurs, and 2012 Thunder).

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/galle...offs-finals-preview-greatest-opponents-052517

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/lebrons-nba-finals-opponents-mjs/story?id=47911521

Look I like Lebron but he isn’t on Jordan’s level historically. Just simply not gonna happen. He is in consideration for the 2-4 spot, but he can’t be the top anymore. And I hate Jordan and rooted Lebron to take his spot. Just not gonna happen. Too much roster jumping and not enough hardware. Doesn’t attract the best to play with him.

Lebron is a crazy talent but the Jordan conversation is over. He had a window it closed.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

I think part of the hate for Lebron stems from the fact that he went searching for a Super Team, whereas Bird, Jordan, and Magic helped build their teams from the ground up. Not saying whether I like or dislike Lebron, but I think the perception of him is sometimes clouded by his team-jumping. Heck, he might even jump teams again before it's all said and done...
JMHO

Magic, Jordan, and Bird didn't build ****. These guys don't build draft picks. The GMs of those their teams made some of the best draft picks and trades in NBA history to put rosters together that could help them three win championships. The core of those teams were built via the draft and trades, those are the moves GMs make, not players.

Bird and Magic were both also drafted to teams that were already championship caliber teams.

LeBron got drafted to a **** pile of a team with incompetent management that was entirely incapable of putting together really anything resembling legitimate NBA talent outside of LeBron. Had to leave to go to a team with competent management to win anything, then when he did return to Cleveland, he had to be the orchestrator behind the whole damn thing since Cleveland's management is still incompetent.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Look I like Lebron but he isn’t on Jordan’s level historically. Just simply not gonna happen. He is in consideration for the 2-4 spot, but he can’t be the top anymore. And I hate Jordan and rooted Lebron to take his spot. Just not gonna happen. Too much roster jumping and not enough hardware. Doesn’t attract the best to play with him.

Lebron is a crazy talent but the Jordan conversation is over. He had a window it closed.

He wouldn't need to roster hop if he had better management than what he has in Cleveland. Guys like Jordan, Bird, and Magic got gifted into being drafted to teams that had brilliant GMs. Not his fault he has to be the best player and effective GM for Cleveland because their GMs during his time are dumbasses.